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post Jul 30 2012, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jul 30 2012, 01:47 PM)
BRT can only be implemented after LRT is ready right? They can't do it now as it will stop everything!
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Depends on which area.

The first BRT line will be introduced is Sunway BRT. From KTM Setia Jaya to Kelana Jaya line extension station no.8 in USJ.

The second BRT line would be Federal Highway.

Initially, there was a plan to introduce MRT line from KL to Klang, but this was rule out due to cost.

Right now, the plan for KL-Klang corridor would be:

- Federal Highway BRT

- KTM Metro
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post Jul 30 2012, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 01:50 PM)
What I meant is, they should have more of an overall solution planned rather than 1 project at a time.

If the construction is already on the way, wouldnt it make sense to expand the number of lanes on our highways as well ?

Look at the bigger picture rather than just the LRT.

No doubt, the LRT will help congestion and the BRT as well, but it wouldnt hurt to fix up the roads and highways as well ?

Its more of a lifestyle choice rather than being forced into it.

Singapore is literally a douche bag with its excessive COE tax to even buy a car.

It is indeed sometimes a better option to take a car rather than the lrt, and it even applies in Singapore which has an excellent public transportation system in place.
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Any road expansion must cater transit lane, because in reality, even if you add another lane, the congestion will remain the same for two reasons:

- Klang Valley vehicle sales is very high

- In just few years, congestion will remain the same or even worse

A case study is in Bandar Utama. The overhead bridge on top of highway near Damansara Toll Plaza. It was 2 lanes, then upgraded to 3 lanes. Yet congestion is still chronic. A 2 km section may take 20 minutes just to clear the path which means even lane expansion will not cater traffic growth as well as solving congestion smile.gif

Government road planning is not known, though from what I gather, they are more interested in building bypass highways such as Damansara-Shah Alam Expresswawy, Kuala Lumpur Outer Ring Road, SKVE and so on.

On Federal Highway, some have suggested to build brand new Federal Highway on top of existing one, which I oppose.

I do suggest road improvement, but it must be planned to cater 20 years down the road, not just expand and end up clogged up in just 2 to 3 years, like what happened to most road projects in Malaysia, save for DUKE which is under-utilised smile.gif

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 01:50 PM)
Depends on which area.

The first BRT line will be introduced is Sunway BRT. From KTM Setia Jaya to Kelana Jaya line extension station no.8 in USJ.

The second BRT line would be Federal Highway.

Initially, there was a plan to introduce MRT line from KL to Klang, but this was rule out due to cost.

Right now, the plan for KL-Klang corridor would be:

- Federal Highway BRT

- KTM Metro
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will kampung be the 1st to board the BRT bus when intro in Sunway?
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 30 2012, 02:00 PM)
will kampung be the 1st to board the BRT bus when intro in Sunway?
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Hope so in 2014.
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 01:56 PM)
Any road expansion must cater transit lane, because in reality, even if you add another lane, the congestion will remain the same for two reasons:

- Klang Valley vehicle sales is very high

- In just few years, congestion will remain the same or even worse

A case study is in Bandar Utama. The overhead bridge on top of highway near Damansara Toll Plaza. It was 2 lanes, then upgraded to 3 lanes. Yet congestion is still chronic. A 2 km section may take 20 minutes just to clear the path which means even lane expansion will not cater traffic growth as well as solving congestion smile.gif

Government road planning is not known, though from what I gather, they are more interested in building bypass highways such as Damansara-Shah Alam Expresswawy, Kuala Lumpur Outer Ring Road, SKVE and so on.

On Federal Highway, some have suggested to build brand new Federal Highway on top of existing one, which I oppose.

I do suggest road improvement, but it must be planned to cater 20 years down the road, not just expand and end up clogged up in just 2 to 3 years, like what happened to most road projects in Malaysia, save for DUKE which is under-utilised smile.gif
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What I meant was more of a 2 way expansion.

LRT / BRT will reduce congestion. (It may lower the number of cars on the road)

Expansion / New highways will increase the capacity of the roads.

Both are options to reduce traffic congestion, and I believe that it will actually work without the need for COE tax like Singapore.

Its more of the government actually putting this kind of forethought into their planning rather than looking at having small wins to win the heart of the people for election. smile.gif
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ Jul 30 2012, 02:01 PM)
What I meant was more of a 2 way expansion.

LRT / BRT will reduce congestion. (It may lower the number of cars on the road)

Expansion / New highways will increase the capacity of the roads.

Both are options to reduce traffic congestion, and I believe that it will actually work without the need for COE tax like Singapore.

Its more of the government actually putting this kind of forethought into their planning rather than looking at having small wins to win the heart of the people for election. smile.gif
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At the end of the day, I believe best practices from cities which are well known for transport planning must be followed. This includes whether the solution can cater future traffic growth say 30 years down the road.

Just want to warn that lane expansion will not be able to cater traffic up to 10 years down the road if the propensity of driving car remains unabated. A clear data already suggests 3 million cars entering/exiting KL daily. Lane expansion on one highway won't cater extra 100,000 cars. However, even a simple monorail which occupies less space can easily accommodate 120,000 people (on 4 car KL Monorail).

So I believe we can follow Shanghai and Singapore. Both cities, while doing piecemeal upgrades on road, their investment on public transport is much higher and paramount.

Ironically, Penang future plan may include a combination of public transit improvement as well as highway improvement. But highway improvement will be piecemeal while greater emphasis to be planned on transit.

So I believe, whoever wins, most likely they will choose the more efficient method.
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:31 PM)
I see nothing wrong.

BRT is a tested concept in Jakarta and Guangzhou.

Federal highway is already very congested, but many of them are in private vehicles rather than public transport. Public transport is more efficient, but doesn't work at this moment because buses stuck at the same traffic spot as other vehicles on the highway.

With BRT, buses can finally have their own lanes, increasing the speed and reliability of buses, and that will make commuting using bus even more convenient, reliable and fast.

Sometimes, I still do not find the logic of opposing it, because federal highway will always get jam and if there is nothing to be done, it will get even worse.

At least with BRT, bus will be a lot faster, at the same time, capacity of public transport along the corridor will be much higher.
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morons oppose dreaming car gonna be cheap one day and they all can buy bmw go to work adding to the jam. if u take bus u have no class
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1. no Public transport near house..complain..
2. got one near house.. oso complaint.
3. implement 30 billion project songlap
4. implement low cost project like.. stupid.. ahahhahahahaha

there are few suggestion like to do elevated BRT lane at federal.. but cost is too high.. else it replicate KTM komuter route...

they try to take stadium shah alam parking space as a park and ride.. huge parking space under utilize.




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post Jul 30 2012, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:14 PM)
1. no Public transport near house..complain..
2. got one near house.. oso complaint.
3. implement 30 billion project songlap
4. implement low cost project like.. stupid.. ahahhahahahaha

there are few suggestion like to do elevated BRT lane at federal.. but cost is too high.. else it  replicate KTM komuter route...

they try to take stadium shah alam parking space as a park and ride.. huge parking space under utilize.
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KTM can be further improved biggrin.gif

Many of the stations has 3 or 4 tracks.

Petaling has 3 platforms.
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:22 PM

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but malaysian mentality is to always hog and drive on a bus lane. first important is enforcement
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:56 PM)
If BRT different story liao.

Enforcement will be much better as BRT lines has control centre ala rail. Enforcement will be very different from normal bus route.

Bangkok, Jakarta can do it.

KL cannot?  smile.gif
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In federal highway, will they take one lane from the current three or will they build another lane for BRT?
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QUOTE(Pepper @ Jul 29 2012, 07:32 PM)
erection baru nak buat bus lane, kimak x guna punya BN
so carlane minus satu, longer trafik jam then
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then after erection,cancell all these plans
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QUOTE(luckyhillkop @ Jul 30 2012, 02:22 PM)
In federal highway, will they take one lane from the current three or will they build another lane for BRT?
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Actual layout for federal highway BRT is not known (not yet released).

However, in The Star saturday news, SPAD said got people opposed to it.
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 30 2012, 02:22 PM)
but malaysian mentality is to always hog and drive on a bus lane. first important is enforcement
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This is BRT, different from normal bus lane biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 02:25 PM)
This is BRT, different from normal bus lane  biggrin.gif
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that means the road is separate from cars biggrin.gif drool.gif ??
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 02:24 PM)
Actual layout for federal highway BRT is not known (not yet released).

However, in The Star saturday news, SPAD said got people opposed to it.
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I don't really like the idea of federal highway with only 2 lanes. However I hope they will go ahead with this. Best case scenario is they somehow manage to find space to add a new BRT lane.
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 30 2012, 02:26 PM)
that means the road is separate from cars biggrin.gif  drool.gif  ??
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 30 2012, 02:28 PM)

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post Jul 30 2012, 02:33 PM

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1 car 1 passenger..
1 motor 1 passenger
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:33 PM)
1 car 1 passenger..
1 motor 1 passenger
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1 bus got 50 to 60 passengers thumbup.gif

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