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Kampung2005
post Jul 29 2012, 07:26 PM, updated 9y ago

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http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...448&sec=central

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Proposed bus route to ease congestion on Federal Highway
By TAN KARR WEI
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THE Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) will be seeking public feedback on the proposed Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) next month.

“We have already engaged the public on this matter and we expect to put up a public display for feedback and comments by August,” said SPAD chief development officer Azmi Abdul Aziz during a buka puasa event at the Sime Darby Convention Centre in Kuala Lumpur.

Also present at the event were SPAD chairman Tan Sri Syed Hamid Albar and chief executive officer Mohd Nur Kamal.

The BRT is aimed at easing traffic congestion along the Federal Highway.

The first phase of the 17km alignment will start at an integrated station at the Batu Tiga Komuter station in Shah Alam, with dedicated bus lanes going along the median of the Federal Highway.

Strategic stops have been planned along the highway such as near Subang Jaya, Sunway Mentari, Asia Jaya LRT and Universiti LRT stations, with the route ending at Central Market.

“Some areas are not well connected to the LRT lines. The aim is for the buses to provide seamless travel for commuters.

“The buses will travel along the dedicated routes before joining existing bus lanes in the city centre.

“We are still discussing the possibility of going into the Mid Valley Megamall area and through Brickfields because those are high-traffic areas,” said Azmi.

He said the route would eventually connect to the North Klang bus teminal, allowing Klang commuters to travel to Kuala Lumpur city centre or switch to LRT and Kommuter stations along the way.


He disclosed that SPAD had held discussions with stakeholders who would be affected by the construction of the stations and lanes, and it had encountered a lot of resistance to the project.

“A lot of people do not see the benefits that the BRT will bring in the long run.

“The buses can run very frequently and we are looking at park-and-ride facilities along the highway.

“If motorists get caught in a jam, they will have the option to park their cars and hop on a bus to get to the city centre,” he explained.


Azmi added that the route was expected to be finalised before the end of the year and SPAD would call for tenders then.


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post Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:26 PM)
can keep the bus out of the car lane ar?
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BRT is intended to keep buses out of car lane.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ducki3s @ Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM)
Hell will break loose on Federal

Syed hamid albar did it again
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I see nothing wrong.

BRT is a tested concept in Jakarta and Guangzhou.

Federal highway is already very congested, but many of them are in private vehicles rather than public transport. Public transport is more efficient, but doesn't work at this moment because buses stuck at the same traffic spot as other vehicles on the highway.

With BRT, buses can finally have their own lanes, increasing the speed and reliability of buses, and that will make commuting using bus even more convenient, reliable and fast.

Sometimes, I still do not find the logic of opposing it, because federal highway will always get jam and if there is nothing to be done, it will get even worse.

At least with BRT, bus will be a lot faster, at the same time, capacity of public transport along the corridor will be much higher.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:28 PM)
BRT as in special high platform bus or the current RapidKL busses?
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If in Jakarta and Johannesburg, it is high platform bus.

For RapidKL BRT, nothing is confirmed. For Sunway BRT, it will be standard 12 m long bus, with no mention of how high the boarding platform will be.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Pepper @ Jul 29 2012, 07:32 PM)
erection baru nak buat bus lane, kimak x guna punya BN
so carlane minus satu, longer trafik jam then
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Bear in mind, more people driving the car.

If you have faster option of taking public transport, the attractiveness of taking bus will be better and it will lure more people to take public transport.

Adding one more lane for car is pointless, but in just 2 to 3 years if you have that extra car lane, the same congestion will happen or worse as the peripheral roads connecting the highway and the local neighbourhood will remain the same.

Hence the sensible option in longer term to relieve congestion is to add bus lane.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(kumanosuke @ Jul 29 2012, 07:35 PM)
another failure perhaps.. last time same sheet implemented in KL city centre but i see no difference
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BRT is different.

In Jakarta case, you have stone barrier and stations just like LRT style. Jakarta so macet can do it, why not KL?

Even Bangkok successfully run BRT.

Sometimes, I wonder if those who oppose BRT, then what is their suggestion that can reduce congestion in longer run? wink.gif
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(ek9 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:40 PM)
more jam, e.g see bus lane near mid valley.
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It will more than just bus lane.

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post Jul 29 2012, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(loui @ Jul 29 2012, 07:49 PM)
those who oppose are those who have no intention to take public transport and always travel alone using own car

all hail public transport and those travel alone in one car can go die
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It seems they (car drivers) like to see themselves suffering traffic congestion (afterall traffic volume will always increase) for the rest of the life and see nothing to be done.
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post Jul 29 2012, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(harryfoo @ Jul 29 2012, 07:52 PM)
Shiat, more jam.
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One bus can carry 60 people.

60 people = 60 cars.

More efficient.

Do nothing, congestion will be even worse.
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QUOTE(instantgeneve @ Jul 29 2012, 07:55 PM)
car road users will end up using the bus lanes smile.gif (in bolehland, malaysia)
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If BRT different story liao.

Enforcement will be much better as BRT lines has control centre ala rail. Enforcement will be very different from normal bus route.

Bangkok, Jakarta can do it.

KL cannot? smile.gif
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QUOTE(ElaineChewMeow @ Jul 29 2012, 07:59 PM)
One benefit to use private car is can go anywhere you want once reach the destination.
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Roads are congested.

More cars, at the end of the day, even car drivers need to suffer.

KL people are not unique compared to Singaporeans, Bangkokians, Hong Kongers.

If you have efficient transit, not only it will save your time, but also your money. Owning a car is not cheap anyway. Having car-based society is not sustainable.

Developed countries mostly having good transport. China does it. Japan does it. Singapore does it. Malaysia ain't that unique.

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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:06 PM)
Adding another car lane or not, traffic will definitely increase as private cars will increase. Federal Highway will still be jammed as usual. Creating may help users get to work faster and to travel comfortably.
But my concern is, who is really benefiting from this project ? For a couple of years, while in construction, we have to mind the traffic jams. Meaning, we have to go early to avoid the jams. To avoid Federal Highway, we have to pay tolls. Then after construction, we have to pay money to use it. Dont think it will be very cheap due to current economy. Then, BRT doesn't reach your doorstep, you still have to drive for a distance.
Who is benefiting? The constructor, the project awarding bodies, whoever signs the deal.......
We always end up paying for everything. At the end of the day we always turn out to be the SUCKER right!
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What is your suggestion to curb congestion then?

At the end of the day, when you have BRT, coupled with fast local buses, congestion will be lower.

This concept proven in Guangzhou and Curitiba.

We should not resign to the fate of letting more cars craming our limited road space. More so on private car traffic which has less carrying capacity than buses.

BRT is cheap. In fact, building BRT system is always 20% of the cost of similar LRT route.

Even if PR wins, BRT will still move ahead, because even MBPJ does suggest BRT is the solution.
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM)
Haha. Bodoh punya project. Later even got bus lane no point when bus takde. Bus not on time because driver lepak or waiting more passenger before Jalan. Definitely will be underutilize and become another songlap project.
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How to reduce congestion?

When you have oppose something, you must have counter proposal anyway wink.gif
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:11 PM)
Some people getting 60 million richer !
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Suggest something that can reduce congestion then.

The bottomline is to reduce congestion, of which getting chronic on Federal Highway.

Our car volume is getting higher. We have reached WXD or so. Yet road congestion is getting terrible.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:12 PM)
car drivers will hate it !

the already jam highway.. now lesser space for cars... lagi jam
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Car drivers are so selfish and short-sighted.

At the end of the day, if nothing being done, congestion will still get worse and they themselves will pay the price of lateness due to congestion.

KL cannot be an utopia for car drivers.
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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:16 PM)
I prefer more LRT stations.

KTM damn slow
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This is BRT.
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Jul 29 2012, 08:15 PM)
to these people, they'll say everything involves songlap. if a policeman helps an old lady cross the road, they'll find a way to put up a story of how either one of them is songlaping the other
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Sometimes I don't know the psyche of some people.

Oppose MRT, say too expensive.

Oppose BRT, cannot.

What do they want?

I begin to think that they are the partly the reason why public transport keep lagging behind.

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QUOTE(fas29 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:20 PM)
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Is this in Bangkok?

Comparison with conventional bus routes

When available, the dedicated right-of-way lanes of BRT systems allow them an increased average vehicle speed bypassing traffic congestion, to provide more passenger miles with the same number of vehicles and personnel than conventional bus services. A smoother ride can also be expected, because the BRT is not immersed in stop-and-go traffic. BRT services usually feature higher frequency service than conventional routes; Latin American systems rely heavily on short headways to achieve their ridership capacity.
But when compared to normal bus service in mixed traffic, addition of BRT dedicated lanes requires wider roads or reduction of mixed traffic lanes.
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 29 2012, 08:21 PM)
congestion is 1 thing.

but the effective-ness of bus lane on BRT system.

people use Federal highway to their destination, and BRT system might not able to get people to reach their destination.

It's should come with complete BRT system within whole Klang valley...
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QUOTE(insider @ Jul 29 2012, 08:22 PM)
Free travel for students and the elderly. Drop 50% of the current charges for others. Volume will definitely increase. Or just price it cheaper for everyone so it makes sense to travel public rather than private. It is logical and sensible.
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Students already has Rapidpass Pelajar.

Elderly already has Rapidpass discount.

Demand for public transport rises, but where is the capacity to support it?

It is like having 100,000 in neighbourhood relying on one single DSLAM for broadband.

Also, students and elderly population are much lower than working adults. Working adults formed the majority of traffic on highway, not students or elderly.

The issue of using public transport is not due to cost. It is more on punctuality, frequency and reliability. And bear in mind bus had run very slow on highway which is congested.



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