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ganz
post Jul 30 2012, 02:39 PM

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i take motorcycle every morning from shah alam to KL..

damn syok saw all single occupant car stuck in the traffic jam..

i know lots of people actually can use public transport but instead using car to go to works.. most of them just office hour worker and just using excuse.. "in case of emergency.. i can go home"..

hope this BRT will be materialize.
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:39 PM)
What about upgrade motorlane at FederalHw, to BRT. Add elevated motorlane (MCRT), ontop of BRT?
lower cost? compared to elevated BRT.

motorbikers get nice view like a bawse, with elevated MCRT. Accident, also fly like a bawse.
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Hard to comment anything unless I can see the federal highway BRT plan smile.gif
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:42 PM

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anything elevated will add tremendous cost
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:42 PM)
anything elevated will add tremendous cost
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If elevated, the price advantage of BRT diminished and might as well get LRT.
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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 02:43 PM)
1 lane for bus, teksi +commercial trucks
1 lane for car, van
1 lane for motorcycle, smart two and smart 4 and kancil/viva

ok?
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1 BRT lane.

General traffic should be between 2 to 3 lanes.

This might be achieved by doing road expansion, if possible.
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:48 PM

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when/if they cut the excise duty for cars

they roads will be jam pack
people who want to get around on time
have to take public transportation

dont you think that is a good idea...?
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post Jul 30 2012, 02:49 PM

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Most of the time when I drive along the Federal Highway during peak hours there are very few buses. So how does the bus lane help the jam during peak hours? The jams are caused by the huge volume of cars mainly. Some motorcyclists are also on the highway instead of the motorcycle lanes. Not stopped by police. No brain solution.

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post Jul 30 2012, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(Tookia @ Jul 30 2012, 02:49 PM)
Most of the time when I drive along the Federal Highway during peak hours there are very few buses. So how does the bus lane help the jam during peak hours? The jams are caused by the huge volume of cars mainly. So brain solution.
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Not bus lane, this is BRT. BRT is bus lane with LRT-like ticketing and operation.

Congestion are caused by cars. Naturally, you may say road expansion.

However, there are numerous cases that road expansion will not be able to cater future traffic growth. An extra lane will end up being congested in just 2 to 3 years after completion.

An example that shows how road expansion will be futile shown in Bandar Utama. Bridge on top of highway near Damansara toll plaza had been upgraded to 3 lanes from previous 2 lanes. Yet it still take 20 to 30 minutes just to travel 2 km along Bandar Utama. This example clearly shows road expansion will not work. Many people drive due to poor public transit. Yet if we have to made it more convenient, if you want to lure people to take public transit.

If public transport made fast and convenient, people will take it, because monthly cost will be lower than driving, provided if you have efficient public transit network.

Emphasis should be done to improve public transport. You say few buses. However, even if you introduce more buses, the average speed of bus will not increase because:

- Buses have to compete against cars in mixed traffic

- And so buses will be just as slow as cars

- Having more buses in such mixed traffic congestion will not aid congestion reduction

And so, the advantage of having BRT is that:

- Buses will only occupy one lane of highway in each direction

- The average speed of buses can easily raised to 30 km/h per hour, much faster than cars on highway during peak hour

- Bus will be more reliable as they have their own lane as well as the fact only BRT type buses will be allowed on the line, ensuring frequency and punctuality

This way, public transport option will be more attractive as it will be faster, more frequency and more reliable. Proven in Curitiba, Guangzhou, Jakarta, Bangkok. So why not KL?

Doing road expansion will only solve congestion in short term, but not in longer run. By that time, later you may ask...............another expansion.

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post Jul 30 2012, 03:02 PM

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The idea of BRT is to shift car user to use buses. Hence they might be a reduce in number of car on the road. TBH, if this project materialize, road expansion is done to cater the bus lane. So public persist as there is no reduce on the number of lane of the highway. Traffic jams will always be there....Therefore whoever smart, will opt for BRT. Transjakarta is not the best model for BRT. As much as the line are expansive, Due to less number of buses making it among the lowest no. of user BRT in the world beside few other criteria. Curitiba/Bogota/Chinese cities is the best BRT model.
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post Jul 30 2012, 03:05 PM

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people at shah alam/ klang etc can park their car at stadium shah alam .. and take BRT to KL..via federal highway... few interchange provided.. such at LDP, 222, PJ, mid valley. etc

BRT (like one proposed for sunway) will using closed station (like lrt).. buy ticket at vending machine and enter..

high tech? depend bro.. minister already annouce previously that BRT might using electric bus ahhahah
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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 03:01 PM)
And kampung2005, BRT doesnt have to be a hightech/complex/highcost solution. Defeats the purpose of a lowcost and affordable mass transport. Agree?
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BRT is not even expensive. In fact it costs about 10% of running LRT using international comparisons.

The operation of BRT, of which I mentioned, is based on best practices in Brazil and China smile.gif

BRT is defined as bus lane that has the characteristics of LRT such as totally dedicated lane, station and ticketing ala LRT. The stuffs needed to run a BRT, are really needed to make what BRT is. Bogota, Curitiba, Bangkok, all these BRTs has very high operating standard.

It is so cost effective, even Cebu (2nd biggest city in the Philippines) is studying BRT. Even Lagos managed to build BRT (Nigeria).

Jakarta able to build more than 10 BRT lines in just few years.

Infact, in Jakarta, the fare of taking BRT is about 40 US cents (RM 1.20)

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Overall, I agree with you that public transport has to be affordable to make people switching from cars to public transit wink.gif

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post Jul 30 2012, 03:09 PM

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just imagine.. a bus with 60 px will cost approximately RM500-700k.. articulated (18 meter - RM 1.2-1.5 million) can cater 120-150 px.

u can buy 10 buses (12 - 15 million) that can cater 1200px-1500px.. with 1 minutes interval (since BRT do not have any signalling system hehehe)

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post Jul 30 2012, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(ganz @ Jul 30 2012, 03:09 PM)
just imagine.. a bus with 60 px will cost approximately RM500-700k.. articulated (18 meter - RM 1.2-1.5 million) can cater 120-150 px.

u can buy 10 buses (12 - 15 million) that can cater  1200px-1500px.. with 1 minutes interval (since BRT do not have any signalling system hehehe)
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Signalling is needed, though it is much simpler. Whole line monitoring can be based on CCTV and bus signal priority such as on traffic light whenever it crosses traffic intersection.

Transmilenio comes in mind.
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post Jul 30 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(DarthVaderz @ Jul 30 2012, 03:31 PM)
How would you price the tickets?
1. 10% below cost, but subsidized 30% by gov?
2. at cost, with no subsidies and bench-marked against international BRTs operating levels?
3. 10-20% margin, with no subsidies?
4. margin based on how far you can get away, without protest/rioting/self-immolation from NGOs, since gov got your back?
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Hard to speculate at this time when BRT implementation is still in the earlier stages.

In the case of Sunway BRT, the cost is shared between Prasarana and Sunway.
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post Jul 30 2012, 04:44 PM

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Bus operators must be efficient.

Recently,I went to Puduraya to take bus, and have to wait outside the bus for 30 mins ( bus already arrive) + 15 mins for bus driver melepak
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post Jul 30 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jul 29 2012, 07:27 PM)
BRT is intended to keep buses out of car lane.
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i hope lorry too...especially those big and long...

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