EVENT WARNING: MC OCEAN STAR AWARD CEREMONY 2022





Mc Ocean "syok sendiri" DND event is back guys!!!

Every 2 years, the losers will held this big event to CON-vince new victims to join them because they are very successful & wealthy. This year is happening in PENANG on 26th of March 2022 (Saturday).

Watch out if suddenly out of the blue some overzealous & enthusiastic friend/ family/ stranger you met online keep pushing you to buy ticket to an event happening all the way in Penang, on this date. You know what it is...

What will you expect to see:

1) Alot of people in their best suits and gowns, coming in charted buses to the event (Too poor to drive there).
2) Several (Rented & 2nd Hand) Fancy Cars deliberately parked in front of the venue.
3) Super boring events.
4) Hour long watching "successful leaders" going on stage, getting their cheap trophies.
5) The person that brought you there keep intro you to so-called millionaires/ entrepreneurs.
6) "So-high"s cheering and chanting like idiots.
6) Get ready to starve from afternoon until late night (only will serve you dinner), while watching the members embarrass themselves on stage.

Should you go? You should if:

1) You have money to burn (RM 50 - 100 for the event, RM 2K + 35K to join as their MLM salesman/ saleswoman).
2) You have nothing better to do on that Saturday.
3) You are OK to be starved from noon until night, while watching them syok sendiri.
4) You are not afraid to get infected by Covid-19 (They will come from JB, KL, Terengganu & Penang) & be a super spreader.

Every time during DND, people walk out half way through the event due to boredom/ hunger. By end of the day, less than half were left. Their last one at Sunway was so disastrous that most of the victims already went to Sunway Pyramid for shopping/ makan instead. Most left are the just the brainwashed members.

Expecting this year one will be even worse.

Protect your Health & Wealth by NOT joining this MLM cult. Say NO to Mc Ocean.


This post has been edited by Geek Goblin 123: Feb 11 2022, 09:57 PM

pity all this ppl here, since my last posting until now ive been getting PM on how to escape MC Ocean
didnt knew MC Ocean were still alive after all this years

what their technique to make you paying them Rm2k ? any product you get in return ?

Ok, these are the steps.
Let's say your friend wants to pull you into the regime.
They will first inform their KP and this KP will "assign" a handful of other SP/CKP to help them.
So, when the day comes, in my case, it was a badminton session, these people will pretend to come to know you.
They will start to ask questions like
"Hey, how are you? What are you working as now?"
"Omfg, I heard your sector was badly affected by the pandemic! How much can you earn now?"
"Do you want to earn extra money? We have a suitable platform! See, so many people have joined us already!"

In fact, once they have this info, they will fill it into a form for "future reference".
Let's say you do not oppose the idea of their "business", then you will automatically "pass the preliminary test".
This means that you are eligible for the next stage, which in the interview bla bla bla....

The information they get will be used against you during the interview lo.
By then, you will feel like you are not alone and tend to trust these people.
Which is when you are already waist deep in the water.

Hi Kokky~
Sounds so similar to my case ley, I was scammed through a badminton event. I thought it was legit :3

And i read through ALL your comments edi, interesting read..
I'm a graphic designer too!!
Penang too!! xDD ahahaha

small world i guess

Sorry to hear about that, do you mind sharing your experience how Mc Ocean members scarmmed you?

Ya bro, go ahead! Share it to expose Mc Ocean for what they are.

Nice~
Okeh, first of all..
DISCLAIMER: In this post, I am NOT showing favoritism towards McOcean, the KPs, fellow partners and my introducer. Neither am I harboring hate to any of mentioned.
(some people might terasa while reading my post, read between the lines too :3)

I'm gonna try to remember as many incidents that i can in this post, gonna try to keep it short n clean as well

>One day, saw my otaku exhousemate suddenly start playing badminton
>good for him, that's healthy sport
>suddenly gets invited to play badminton
>of course super happy, it's my childhood fav sport
>the people (that time dunno they are KPs) are so friendly, ice breaking was easy and comfortable
(no mentioning names here, ehe)
>One of the KP's mentioned that they have a business, but never tell what
>i thought the KP was selling keychains at ACG events, maybe we can collab
(Kokky, you missed this part, this was my thought process that time i never told anyone :3)
>Was brought to the presentation, i knew it was MLM edi
>stayed cuz of 2 reasons: 1. It's because my exhousemate was a super cool bro-bro who i can click with, let's just give face
>2. my transportation means was cut off cuz he is the one fetching me there, i can't escape myself
>Took me to Round Garden, proposed the Rm2k plan
>I WAS THE ONE EXCITED THAT THIS BUSINESS WAS DOABLE
>when I was filling in the form, i did notice that my exhousemate did a very slight headshake telling me not to join this
>he was trying to save me, i did notice, but i'm the one who is willing to join this business myself
>i had plans, i wanted to see how they run Amway and all these MLMs, solely my part
>never blamed my exhousemate for my entry, never
>The KPs did walk me through how to make money at shallow level, but i don't recall they walk me through the fineprints of cancelling my membership
>I paid Rm2k upfront but my exhousemate delayed delivering the product to me (cib4i)

>STAGE 3: the massive presentation (can't even remember the name now)
>woke up early to attend a mass gathering of people
>i think im the most energetic n excited one to "get scammed" there? (more fun if i write like this lol)
>just me, only me, who requested the mic n voluntarily dance along with whatever they want the audience to
>everything seems like there's not problem there, super hyped n fun
>every business plan looks workable, but too expensive >_<"
>caught my exhousemate sleeping during presentation lol
>hearing how doable the plan was, the backup plans and how to get loans, how the loan is similar to your tertiary education loans, i was still not convinced
>eh, the thing costs so much ley, PTPTN 1%, this loan like f-ck nia..
>not gonna lie, i was on the verge of unfriending my exhousemate at that spot
>go n get the loan anyway, cuz "what do you have to lose?"

>Became a Diamond Premier (Rm30k+/-)
>KPs were pushy VERY PUSHY for me to drag more people in
(to the KPs who are reading this and if you felt hurt, im not sorry and not be responsible for how u feel)
>KP's sole intention was sticking to the meta, drag more ppl in Challenge and can become KP faster
>StrongNote here: Financial freedom and them promising earning RM20k monthly, is kinda yes-and-no
>Financial freedom is literally you no need to work, money still rolling (apply this to ALL money gurus out there too, stay woke!)
>But Never have i seen our KPs working even longer hours and into the midnight just to set up an event, to host people, clean up the mansion/HQ in Ayer Itam
>Super salute them for having this unity, while Dato/Founder didnt pay them any $$ to do all these
>Mad respect from my heart
>Back to the system, if you wanna call it "flawed" i dun think u should
>The system is designed in a way that it's FAVORABLE towards McOcean, and not you
>It's the same concept used by your boss while he's hiring you, of kos he's entitled to to squeeze you dry and u only get peanuts
>Super freaking hate the "Challenger" system.. Bruh, i hit KPI edi, u still need to drag my achievement? whu..?
>like, i get 5 ppl under me edi, i shud be entitled for a KP perks liao ma, but u still need me to rush drag in more ppl
---
>I failed my 1st GP recruitment, felt a lot of emotional roller coasters there
>kinda lost a bestie back then, my emotions exploded and got exhousemate/introducer scolded in the way
>exhousemate, if you're here in this post, yeh, i havent apologize properly for that part, sorry man
>deducted remaining money n returned them to my first exGP
>vowed not to do "networking" anymore (tho this is the fastest u can get $$ from)
>I sorted to selling enerFiber because i know i can do that super well, one month easily get 6 boxes sold
>KPs insisted on their meta, their precious precious meta
>Bruh, i know my strengths, why dont u let me have my fun playing my game?
---
>so damn many products in McOcean, and i still think DrSpraycial is Founder's r//slapped (kenot say)
>Yeh, DrSpraycial is bullsh*t salt water with expiry date (???)
>many many bullsh*t products, like Enertri (sibeh f-cking mahal, and it's just rice!! f-ck)
>it's hard for me to sell, so i gave away for free, really can see the effects in my own mum and one of my clients (i sold one whee~!!)
>but reality: it's really too expensive to afford ._." McOcean, if your products are less expensive, i think there will be more ppl willing to help u sell..
>SOOOOOOOOO, i resolved to selling EnerFiber and made Rm10k cumulatively, no joke
>my mindset when i 1st saw the fiber at Round Garden/presentation
"another fiber, confirm MLM"
>but little did i know, this Fiber made me realized i really can sell wey xD
>enerFiber was my religion back then, all oacross my social media handlers, i posted, i was proud of my business
>sell sell sell, suddenly my exhousemate keluar pattern and like he dowan to do it anymore
(i can't say much cuz i dunno his thought process and mental stress during this time, must have been hard for him back then)

>We attended the Melaka's DDD event, 3 days 2 nights, what is sleep
>really can see he's not enthusiastic at all for the event
>i lost my voice, still shouting
>this event really taught me "what is sleep, as long as your body can move, u hustle!"
>i would go again to refresh this memory tbh, it's really 180 degrees flip from the daily routine we facing now
>main takeaway: unity, leave no man behind
>You;re grouped with strangers and there might be favoritism n stuff, but we were all forced to learn how to work together as human beings
>And yes, as per mentioned earlier :3 They made us write our dreams on A4 paper, they collected it and burned it in front of you
(why nobody went deep here)
>the symbolism of this event was: you're willingly giving your dreams to social media consumption, your hobbies and whatever is wasting your time
>the event was teaching us about how important to trade our time properly wisely, and not wasting it on things that doesnt build towards our dreams
(seriously why nobody here talked of this sheesh..)
>f-cking tiring event, super worth it
>and.....after the event, they forced you to challenge in 60 days (means you have to drag ppl faster)
(to achieve your dreams..?)
>OWH!!! I FORGOT!!!
>Prerequisite to join this DDD Event, open up n install the e-Ionizer alkaline water filter system (Im still using~~)
>that way, you kenot return the product :3 issa marketing tacting by Dato n gang :3
>sidetrack: they ask u to consume the products so that u know how to sell it (also marketing ploy :3)

Timeskip

>exhousemate suddenly mentioned that he wants to quit the business
>shocked was the word to use..? yeah shocked
>asked why
>He's breaking up with his upline, who was his exgf that time
>and mentioned that if he quit, he will return me the RM6k that he owe me, personally
>and he mentioned that he will have McOcean community destroyed
(they still alive tho.. what's your progress lol)
>exGF came to talk one night, discussion didnt have a good outcome
>bye bye my introducer..
>ever since, i heard that he's becoming a hero going out to help ppl get out of McOcean
>yes and no: yes, you're saving ppl from MLM, no: you're cutting off them from possibilities of learning and earning
>thus, i never wanted to intervene, that's your thing :3
>few months not talking to each other, he found a new gf, brought her to Thailand n stuff
(hope you're not doing surgeries there la xDD)
>one morning i asked: "hey, where's my 6k u promised"
>"your money is with your up-upline" (exhousemate's upline)
>that's is how the system works i understand, but you as a man, your words weigh as light as feather...umm..
(i was holding grudge against you back then, very honest, now, i settled my debt for years edi, nah, u can have the 6k)
(aku halalkan)
>owh ya hor~ nobody knows i settled my loan debts edi? feels so damn damn good wey <3
>if you termakan cili, whatever la, im saying the truth, and im not mentioning names :3
>to clarify, i dun have the urge to smash you in the face or breaking your ribs edi, i'm over with that
>and it's impossible for me to accept this exhousemate as a friend in the future, clarify 1st
>so if we were to see each other anywhere in the streets of Penang, just pretend that you didnt see me :3
>i wanna play my Genshin..

Bungalow Arc
>yes! I did join a bungalow event, in batu feringghi area i think
>we popped the unicorn float in the swimming pool xD
(most memorable moment of the whole thing)
>Karaoke was fun!! Mahjong was fun~~
>play till sleep on sofa wheeee!!
>like those anime filler episodes for vacations, beaches and bikinis (too bad nothing to see here)
>Bungalow arc was more like a mini-award ceremony to detect whos spirit are getting lower, award them so that they get a boost n continues serving
>the Make-Believe token that they presented to me, was an inexpensive t-shirt with colourful acrylic calligraphy on it
>it was inexpensive, but yes the effort behind all the KPs to make these shirt, to book the place, to jio everybody, to collect money, prepare dinner n stuf
(all these are baseline human level real efforts)
>One thing that the McOceaneer KPs taught me well is to see the good side of everything
>even when i come out the society, every good uncles n aunties too told me the same, "see open, see open"
>guess some people never did, and who am i to judge

My Reason of dropping by here in Lowyat Forum
1. I dunno who the f-ck is using my pseudonym Kokky here in this forum to gain believes n cookie points..?
2. didnt know even after i left McOcean I'm still so influential
3. I did not sign a withdrawal form btw, i still have 1 carton of enerTri in the warehouse)
(f--ck.. how the f-ck am i gonna sell this..)
4. If you wanna continue using Kokky, go ahead, I have already clarify with the partners (and im still friends with them) that Kokky in Lowyat Forums is not FCKP Kokky from McOcean
(cheerios, you can harm me no more)
5. Eh, "Kokky", didnt your lecturer tell you not to post other ppl's photos and write bad things about them? eh, Basic Comm Law wey.. Unless... you're not an actual Graphics designer..?
6. Cmon la, use other Pseudonyms, ok? Ok? :3
7. Kokky was my trophy, the Fiber King of Penang, dun kacau, shoo shoo
(u can continue spreading awareness on McOcean, but don't cross my line, this is unethical and cowardy)

So Basic takeaway for joining McOcean (and prolly many other MLMs)
-business structure is not the problem, the community is
-there's so much to learn there, depending on what you frame your perspective is
-if you wanna join McOcean, lai gor gor simulate for u: every month take RM1.2k from whatever income u have now put aside kenot touch. That's the burden of the loan
-KPs are pushy? some only. Cuz they need to do maintenance also ma, and their concern to help you earn and cover the monthly debt that's gonna chase your a$$ every month
(but yes they pushy xD)
-Financial freedom is fake hope sold to everyone, especially 1st timers, Magic bullet theory, look it up (Kokky probably knows lol)
-In McOcean, prepare to face microsleeps here n there, you'll never get enuf of sleep one (mine was 1 year)
(PSA: very dangerous especially when riding home through hill roads in Paya Terubong. I'm VERY fortunate to still be alive right now)

There's good, there's bad in this business
depends on your decision to see which side
Cuz some moved on, some still live in the past for this

and i genuinely pray that you find peace,
stay safe during the pandemic guys


Footnote: plis don't think that my exhousemate is a nice guy, the durian he gave me back in the day, all the way from his kampung one, sibeh sedap wey!! 500g of solid Kunyit!! fekking tastes like heaven back then
He's a nice guy, just that he has his own battles, plis dun bash him lol
thx for your time of reading the part of my journey that i remembered :3

Love,
CSKok,
-the REAL Kokky-
#Whywannachallengesofast?

Can u teach me how to sell the EneFiber?

5 years+ leaving Mc Ocean, seems like their brainwash tactics didn't change at all. No wonder its losing its effect.

Key takeaway to note from an ex-KP (my experience):

1) Mc Oceans 2nd Stage: during Round Garden & Gold Premier plan presentation, our Upline Prince Premier ORDERED us that we must DIE DIE make the new prospect to sign the GP form and get them to transfer RM 2500 to his/ her Introducer.

- Signing the form = the victims cannot sue Mc Ocean anymore because you "willingly" agree to the terms.
- Transfer RM 2500 to secure a place in 3rd Stage (aka Hotel Event/ GES) is a BS! The real purpose is to secure income. Even if they reject biz eventually, dun earn RM 35K, still earn RM 2K. GES ticket is ALWAYS available. You last minute say want to attend, your Upline KP CONFIRM got ticket to sell you.

2) GES/ 3rd Stage/ Office Trainings is a MASS BRAINWASH event.

- The loud music, constant sharing, sad sad story telling, dancing & chanting "Apa Khabar Semua?" are all done by cult-like organisation to brainwash their members to remain loyal to them. Mc Ocean, is no different. MAKE YOU HIGH AF, so that you lose your rationale to reason.
-IF NOT, WHY THEY SO PUSHY TO GET YOU TO APPLY LOAN ASAP? Because they know once the hype is gone and the prospect start to think rationally, they have high chance to reject taking up RM 35K of bank loan.
- RM 35K Bank Loan for 5 years = RM 1K/ Mth you will have to pay. What if you couldn't recruit new victims, can you bear extra RM 1K every month? What happens to you if you could not service your loan? (Sorry ya, Mc Ocean and your upline is too busy counting the money they earned from you. They dun care since they had LEVERAGED on you, AKA passed their debts to you to bear).

- Ever wonder why your KP always ask you to attend training if you have no warmup? They will say is to improve your skills by MIX TEAM with other members. Actually, the real intention is to "recharge your positive energy", aka brainwash you to continue to stay on in Mc Ocean.
- This one not me say one, it was told to us KPs during our sessions with PPs.

3) Alot of sugarcoating are presented to lower tier members (Gold Premiers to Star Premiers)

- Events & Camps are fun and all, but it is not for leaders actually. CKPs and KPs are actually on Monitor duty and in their minds, IT IS ALL ABOUT PROSPECTING (Get new victims).
- SP may not feel it, they are just bringing their potential partners there. Try when you reach CKP, totally different story. Some KP even set duty roster where CKP and above are compulsory to "support" the event, those timeslot is set by your upline KP WITHOUT checking whether you are busty or not.
- For Camps, leaders are forced to pre-commit number of downlines will be attending and pre-pay for the tickets. Wonder why your upline so pushy for you to join camp? Figure it out.
- The prerequisite that "SP must install their RM 5000 water filter before join camp" was set by the Prince Premier. Yeah, in itself it is already an dishonest act (make you lose RM 5K from your RM 35K you had paid), but think about it. IF MC OCEAN IS SO GOOD, WHY THEY ALLOW SUCH PRACTICES CONTINUE FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS?
- Same like those events. KP level are forced to be moderators, try to say no to your Upline Prince Premier (who was the one that "recommended" you), and you see how his/ her face changed. Then suddenly you realised, how come suddenly no one wants to help your downlines do sharing/ presenting all of a sudden?

- When you join Mc Ocean, got alot of Whatsapp group they will add you in right? Do you know the reason they do so is not to give you daily motivation, BUT TO MONITOR YOUR ACTIVENESS? When you start not responding to your KP's "encouraging" quotes that they just copy online, they will start to pm you to check whether you are still their MINDLESS ZOMBIE, continue to do Warmup for them.
- At CKP and KP level, you will see a different tone already in the Group Chat. Your Upline KP and PP message will be rude and disrespectful, for example:

"I'm so disappointed in you guys..."
"I want everyone to reflect why you did not managed to prospect anyone this month."
"You have until tomorrow 9am to reply 'Noted KP', or we will remove you from the group chat!"
"Dear leaders, please stop your support to KP XXX, she is involved with another MLM. She is recruiting people to join. Inform your downline CKP"

Etc

4) Bangalow Arc/ Sing K/ Homestay are like Booster BRAINWASH Shots

- Worried that the members start to come to their senses, leaders will host these bonding events to keep members continue love of Mc Ocean. If you pay attention carefully, the leaders include alot subtle things in between to brainwash you to be grateful that you have Mc Ocean.
- Every time in this events, they will include some sort of group activity that require you to affirm each member, or write gratitude messages to Mc Ocean/ your network members. Obviously, those events aren't just about having fun.
- Lets think about it, they have make you bear RM 1K/ mth of debts, misled you to buy a useless RM 5K water filter, forced you to install it, then time and time cover up and lie to you (hidden cost, maintainence, real SPGB income, KP income etc), lost of friendship, family, trust, health and wealth. You should be grateful to them?

5) Cannot recruit so what's next?

- Sell online? Press Enerfiber, Facebook, Instagram, Shopee and Lazada everyone is selling the SAME THING.
- Direct Selling? If you have good people around you willing to help you out, sure I guess. But if people found cheaper better alternative at pharmacy, WHY SHOULD THEY PAY MORE?
- Why couldn't sell Mc Ocean products? Simple. Their products are AT LEAST 10 TIMES what was sold in retail. Claim they get direct from manufacturer and higher quality is all a lie (Seriously, do your own market research).

6) Financial Freedom/ Time Freedom/ Passive Income can be found, NOT in Mc Ocean

- I really missed my time as a Star Premier, just remember some FAQ, bring new victims to event, upline CKP and KP will settle the rest.
- When you are a CKP onwards, that is when your Uplines will reveal their ugliness to you.
- Start your "work" from early morning till early in the morning (I recall sleeping at 2am and wake up at 6am is a norm), 7 days a week. Sharing, on event duty. presentation, planning for downline. Oh, not to mention, ALL THE COSTS ARE ON YOU.
- Your Upline KP that you used to friend friend with and respected, will now be very harsh and rude to you, blaming you for everything that goes wrong. Cannot close sales (recruit new victims), cannot help him/ her, did not follow 100% of their instructions etc, did not report your daily activity etc.
- Not pushy to a Star Premier, sure of course, wait till you reach CKP. And guess what, Mc Oceaan claim you will only get all the above FREEDOM, once you achieve KP position right? ONCE YOU REACH THE TOP AND FOUND THERE WAS NO TREASURE THERE THAT WAS PROMISED TO YOU. How do you feel?
- I can honestly tell you, 5 FIGURE INCOME IN MC OCEAN IS A LIE! Yes, maybe once in a few months, but NEVER consistently every month. You can challenge these so-called entrepreneurs to show you their income for the past 12 months, and you will see them finding all sorts of excuses to avoid that.
- You have control over your time in managing your network in Mc Ocean when you are KP, WRONG AGAIN! Your Upline PP will call you back and forth as he/ she pleased. Sometimes at 12 am Midnight she will appoint you to be emcee/ host trainings in the morning, just like that without prior notice.
- During Big Events or GES, these PPs will just order your uplines to call you to rehearsals as he/ she sees fit, without giving a sh*t about what you are doing on that day. And not to mention, all these rehearsal can last until late at night or even till early morning until the PP is satisfied with the outcome.


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So in summary, I would say to any readers who thinking about joining Mc Ocean, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME & MONEY TO JOIN THEM! There are so many ways to have Personal Development, but if you think Mc Ocean will be your path to 5 figure income, time freedom and all, SERIOUSLY THERE IS NONE. It is a LIE!

Last time, Mc Ocean members can become a Fulltimer, relying solely on Mc Ocean income to survive (survive only, not living a good life). But now? Even PPs also have to do part time jobs to pay their bills. This is another evidence that Mc Ocean is not a good business as they claimed to be. Look past their FAKE SMILES and FAKE SUCCESS, and you will find a desperate MLM salesman/ saleswoman trying desperately to persuade you to give her your money.

Alot of the members are already in the RM 35K debt trap, they are in the SUNK COST FALLACY state in psychology terms, believing that they will have a chance to get back their losses in due time. That is why they agree to continue to drama in Mc Ocean as though they are really successful. I was one of them, and I am so glad that I decided one day that I had enough of FAKING and LYING, it was time to accept the reality.

There is NO Financial Freedom, Time Freedom or Passive Income awaiting you in Mc Ocean,
YOU are Mc Ocean's Passive Income!
Don't fall victim to Mc Ocean's RM 35K debt trap.


This post has been edited by Geek Goblin 123: Feb 28 2022, 09:42 PM

Thank you for sharing...must be painful to re-live...

Haha, on the contrary, I don't feel pain at all. So glad I made the decision to walk out from Mc Ocean and own up to my mistakes.

Now living a better life... debt free, financially stable, have free time & healthy. Something that these Mc Ocean losers know nothing about & continue to dream about (but never able to achieve).

Here I will write out the whole process of joining or terminating, assuming they did not change anything after this 'renewal' period.

To just join this scheme, you don't really have to pay 2K+ or anything, just pay RM130 and you will get the membership card straight away.
The 2K plan consists of the following:
1) Starter kit products for you to 'try'
2) Default membership fee
3) 'Third Stage Seminar' ticket or whatever they call it nowadays.

I don't really remember how much each costs but the sum of them contributes to the 2K+ that you have to pay.

So let's say you have already paid this money and decided to withdraw, they cannot refund you because this money, except the RM130, is paid to the person who introduces you into this scheme. What you can do is take the products to the person and ask for refund. If that person is kind enough, he/she will definitely comply. Talk nicely and be positive.

Why is this happening? It is because of a system called 'sponsoring' where the upline will sell 2K+ worth of products to their downline starting from lowest rank, the Gold Premiere.
Best case, the upline already earns 2K+ here. <--- (A)

Since you have already paid the seminar ticket, you decide to go and they will breakdown the so-called 'Mobile Stockist' plan (again, I am not sure what it is known as nowadays).
Here they will propose a plan for you to buy a ridiculous amount of stocks from the company, usually around RM35K+ in order for you to upgrade your rank to Star Premiere. Now, they can always claim that your DON'T HAVE to follow this plan, but trust me, you will be psycho 200% to take this plan. Just trust me.

Their system is that whenever an upline having higher rank than their downlines, the upline will gain a percentage of the money paid by their downline to the company. For the above case, let's say you want to do the Mobile Stockist plan and decide to pay 35K, after some calculations that I don't really bother anymore, your direct upline will get around RM4K. <--- (B)
The upline of your upline and the upline of his upline and the upline to her upline (to the power of Nth) will follow this rule as long as the person preceding them is of lower rank, just the amount gained is definitely lower.

The 'hierarchy' of ranks in this scheme:
Gold Premiere -> Diamond Premiere -> Star Premiere -> Knight Premiere -> Prince Premiere -> Emperor Premiere
(Rank increases moving to the right)

But here is the catch, let's say one person has joined your direct downline (I will call this your grandchild for the sake of convenience), in order for you to earn his money, you have to pay something called 'Maintenance Fee'. Unfortunately, this is very convoluted and is either:
1) Never properly explained.
2) Explained in bare bones.
3) No written reference whatsoever. (I may be wrong in this, but I searched their website, yes, still no such info)

Of course, you DON'T HAVE to pay for this fee, but the money will go to your upline, assuming he pays the fee, and so on and so forth.

I dare you to casually ask ANYONE in the successful entrepreneur group, mostly can't even explain the facts and figures properly. I am unable to state the percentage correctly as I don't want to give wrong information but I am quite clear of the whole concept.

In total, your direct upline earns roughly RM6K from you if join the Mobile Stockist plan. God knows how much the rest.

Another thing to note is that from the RM35K you paid, from that amount, it will be divided to 32%(RM11.2K) and 68%(RM23.8K).
32% to the direct organization, 68% to the whole pyramid of uplines.
Do you see where this is going?

Yes, let's say you want to withdraw after you join this Mobile Stockist plan, let's also assume you haven't used/opened ANY of the products worth RM35K. You need to return all the products to their office, just call them in advance and make appointment, their staff are quite helpful and are not biased since they are mere salarymen.
You also have to make sure that your withdraw date is within 6 months of invoice date. Anything later than that? Tough luck, NO REFUND!
From here, you can get at most around RM10,080 from the refund. Why not RM11.2K? Because if you refund 10 Days after your date of invoice, you will be charged with 10% of 'Management Fee' from your total RM35K. This is however not exclusive to this scheme only, as it seems to be accordance to a Malaysia law (Direct Sales (Scheme and Conduct) Regulations 2001, section 6).
And this is not the most interesting part yet.

The interesting part is when you want to get the rest of the money back (RM23.8K) from your uplines. There are two ways to do this:
1) Deduct from their future sales
2) They directly pay you, like, personally pay you

Option 1 is slow and tedious but rather effective as you will most definitely get your money as long as your upline makes sales (we will get to that later).
Option 2 however depends on your luck. You will see an immediate switch of how they treat you. If you are lucky, they will refund you, gradually. Some will outright block and cut ties with you. To increase your chance of getting refund, time your termination properly. Withdraw when your upline has new downlines, thus them making sales and you can get your money back.
Ironic, right?

So when someone brings up that you can withdraw anytime you want, please tread carefully.
PLEASE calculate carefully.
PLEASE think things through.
PLEASE consider properly.

Let's talk about HOW to do this business, shall we?
These are the typical methods:
1) Direct sales
2) Sponsoring (I am inclined to say recr*itm*nt but your know how that sounds haha)

Of course you can always sell the products directly to your friends/relatives but do know that the products are marked to high heavens.
This is mostly to pay more money to your uplines.
This is made worse when there are already tons and tons of people selling the same stuff in the market.
Click Shopee or Lazada and you will see the product sold at a loss. Not kidding, just try search 'En*rfib*r' at Shopee.

The second method is the most enticing as it is also the most 'rewarding'.
Go find suitable prospects and share this opportunity. Repeat what your upline has done to you.
What happens when you run out of prospects? Well, look for alternatives like use LinkedIn, use dating apps, anything just to get more prospects.
Imagine being asked out by a girl, and you think you are getting new friend, only to be ambushed by a 'business opportunity'.
Run, bro. You deserve better. These girls/guys have been brainwashed to the core. They won't be waking up anytime soon.

I have written so much, let's hope this is not taken down as I have not touched any specific names.
Truth is, there are lots more to be told.
The dirty practices, the stuff they didn't tell you, the things you only know after you reach higher ranks.
I agree that during this pandemic time, it is good to have a second income.
But direct sales/MLM is DEFINITELY NOT the option.
It is designed to be predatory, to target those who already struggle to live everyday life.
Why? Because they are all the easier to brainwash into joining.

Oh, they hate those who critic them. I mean, come on, if you are so high and mighty, claiming to be helping people get out of poverty, why bother us?
You claim we are losers but you want to try to stop us from sharing your ugly truth.
Why not practice fair play and let people decide for themselves?

when will this scheme end?


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my guess,..
until there is no more water fish or enough water fish in the pond that can sustain the livelihood of those anglers..

will there come a day for that to happens very soon?....not if there are those that read this thread and spread the message around for quicker multiplier effect

You better don't count on KPDNKK to save you from Mc Ocean scram. They issue AJL license based on textbook business plans after all.

Besides, this is "Bolehland" ... Buy some kopi, everything boleh close 1 eye!

Last time, they also have a spy inside the department, who will straight away inform them about any individuals who file a complain to them.

Those individuals suddenly lost their access to their online accounts and are forced to admit they were defaming Mc Ocean if they want to take their stocks.

The scheme will not end, I can say, because a MLM's customer is the members themselves. So long they are continued to be brainwashed to believe that they will reach 5 figure income fantasy, they will foolishly continue to feed the crony MLM owners.

The best thing to do, is to save yourself & stay away, before you get brainwashed by them yourself.

mind sharing more details of that brainwashing?
example,...
how did they approach and what did they do and how did you resist them on the spot? etc etc

Just to list out a few "typical" questions they threw to me back then.

1. How is MLM different from your employment? You work like no tomorrow, but only the business owners earn money!
(Of course, they employ you. You don't have to pay to work under them.)

2. "Introducing" this business to your friends is like asking more people to invest in you! It's nothing different from McDee or 7-12!
(Duh, the more people whom join under you only means the more competitor you will have! Everyone, you included, is selling the same thing!)

3. Don't you want to repay your parents? Don't you want to spend more time with them?
(Try joining for 1 month, see who you spend "more" time with.)

4. If your friends disagree with you, then they are not your friends! They are negative! You need new friends!
(Yeah, losing long time friends for your own gain is such a wise idea!)

5. Getting 4 SP's is like drawing 4 Aces from a deck! They will come, so keep drawing!
(There are 52 cards in a deck and 4 Aces. So the probability is 4 / 52 x 100% = 0.077 %. Wow, so high!)

Let pictures do the talking.

Since when have they gone so cheap?