How much monthly u need to pay for the 35k loan?

It's 9++ per month.
I normally pay round figure as 1k.

thanks u for the input.. really2 appreciate it..very valuable info.. very hard to find kp or ckp reveal the truth.. and i have few queations if u dont mind i asking..

1) lets say this month, august, only 1 SP register under a KP network.. how much that KP can get?? (with no KP under him/her)
2) same scenario for 1 SP, how much that KP will get for KPGB (provided has 1 KP under him/her)
3) based on ur point, there are times where the KP cant even earn 3k per month??
4) for LTT training?? what do they do..? they all said doing stuffs we didnt like so we will immune to negativity..??

hope u can clarify these stuffs. i know some SP will lurk here to see lies behind these so called false promises.. if they read, they themselves will quit and remind their partners too...

Hi @Vinsmoke Reiju,

Here is what you should know:

1) Like i said, you can ONLY profit from either OVERRIDING or Generation Bonus. So if there is 1 SP, the KP will only get either 3% Overriding or (SPGB + Contribution Bonus of 2%)(Whichever is higher, but not both).

i.e: 3% of RM 35k = RM 1k

SP lets say is the 1st Gen, then RM35k * (5+2)% = RM 2450 (this will be the income of the KP)

U can see, the Contribution Bonus is rigged as such that KP can only earn from the Generation Bonus, which means he must pay Maintainence (1800BV). Mc-ocean always must profit from a KP EVERY MONTH.


2) KPGB is like SPGB, but only 7% distributed for 5 Gen only, i.e: 3%, 2%, 1%, 0.5%, 0.5%.

If the SP is the 6th Gen of yours, your SPGB = 0 (If you have 5 SP Downline, can only capture 5 Gen of SPGB.)

And this SP is the direct of your KP, i.e: 1st Gen KPGB, therefore RM 35k * 3% = RM 1000

Note: KPGB got its own maintenance amount. I do not know the amount as it was hidden from me and I have no KP under me before I left.


3) Yes, true. Lesser after deducting the Maintanence.

You can calculate by yourself in your Group Chat, how many people signed up as SPs. To make RM 20K do you know you need approximately 10- 20 people to signed up as SP (this value varies as it depends on which Gen also).

If a KP show you that he made RM 20k ++ income from his Mc-Ocean Account. DO NOT BELIEVE IT AT ALL. The income was PUMPED UP (+ a RM 20k fake boost to make it looks so) .

Just another revelation to all, when you become a KP, you have to attend a "Angkat Sumpah" ceremony. Suffice to say, it is to make you swear to keep adhere with all the dirty tricks OR risk being blacklisted and losing your KP position and Mc- Ocean membership. That is why so many KP just keep doing it because of fear...


[They have all become full timers, left employment for too long, and piled with debts. They are pretty much Stuck with Mc-Ocean until it collapse.]

4) In LTT, the PP and KPs involved will give you the ultimate brainwash session to become numb completely from the truth and blindly follow whatever direction Mc-Ocean is heading.

- For 3D2N you will be constantly screamed at and yelled at by the PPs and KPs as "Stupid, Selfish, Idiots, all the vulgar words you can find in Google will be used on you". Everything you do in every activity is wrong and you get yelled at for everything.

- The 2 nights you will be 100% deprived of Sleep. They say you need to use that time to do your Group Chear and Color your Team Flag. In reality this is to weaken your Mind Barrier. Your ability to reason and differentiate right and wrong is greatly reduced, which makes it easier for them to brainwash. You will be turned into someone who would do whatever it takes to achieve your dreams, even if it means stepping on other people's dreams, backstabbing, using other people. After all, you feel that there is NO RIGHT & WRONG in this world.

- And like 3D, they will psycho you to believe Mc-ocean is your saviour. You must protect it at all cost from negativities and must follow it wherever it goes. You will feel as if you cannot live without Mc-ocean and want to give your life to protect it.

Sounds very much like a Agama Sesat right?

The 3 days was a torture for me when I would not give in to whatever the PP yelled and forced me to do. Although they are just acting, what the true motives behind their activities made me even more in conflict inside.

Will I be willing go to that far, lying to my downlines, giving them false hopes just so they will trust me and dumped in RM 35k just so I can make a good income to buy whatever I desire? Even do that to my closest friends and families?



I hope this helps. I would appreciate that you share this out to your SP friends. Believe me when I say, that your Upline KP will wait until LAST MINUTE, when it happens to you (like maintenance) , only then will they reveal it to you. If you do not question them, they will keep it hidden from you until forever.

If that the case then they need to find 20 sp to get earning 20k per month

35k * 3% = 1k

How much is the SP and KP monthly maintenance?

a) There is a maintenance cost of RM 1900 every month as a SP. Yeah, Mc-ocean will say it is “flexible”. But if you want to make money from your downline’s Sales, you must pay it 1st from your Pocket. Lets say you make RM 3400 of SP Generation Bonus on the month of July, by 31st of July you must buy RM 1900 worth of products only can you get your RM 3400 on 15th of August every month. So minus all the cost you actually only make:


@Mnet it is written in my explanation.

I see... thanks again for the input.. btw, does even among KPs' dont sit down and discuss about this issue? or is it consider as taboo??
no wonder they claim there are OVER 800 KP in malaysia but the truth is what i can see there are so little KP that currently active.. those few that currently available and doing training.

even in jb network, ONLY less than 5 KP are there to manage. in group chat, sometimes there are NO new SP register during that month..

btw, what ,specifically activities will do at LTT? if any SP ask, they all just tee up tee up say 600 but worth more than RM 6k training.. for goodness sake.. that 600 worth to do a lot of things..even holiday plane ticket..

for billboard KP, my guess is KP that HAVE results?? and if billboard, still possible that less than 10K?

but somehow is quite strange that my KP is listed before, but her upline KP is not...

The Billboard itself is just for show only.

There were times when the Sales of Mc-ocean was so low that those that only have gotten 1 SP in their network can be in billboard.

Also, additional info, if the KP got a new CKP under him/ her. HE/ SHE WILL DEFINITELY be in Billboard. Doesn't matter his/ her sales.

Back then, 1 of the Chinese Woman KP took advantage of this to hit billboard every month. Every month, She persuade one of her downlines with 4 SPs to buy their 5th SP by taking another RM 33k Loan. So of course when the SPs did so, they become CKP, which in turn made her to hit billboard consecutively ever month. That is why is her network she has very few KPs under her but dozens of dead CKPs.

In truth, she only have 1 SP worth of Sales.

FUN FACT: Did you know that hitting Billboard is also 1 of the KPI of a KP? All the more motivation to convince SP to buy SPs.

In short, LTT is shit. Back then when I was in this 'business', my LTT was in JB. They would force you to take leave on Friday to attend this training. They will also come up with a lot of reasons to tee up this training (done by PPs who are super busy, you do this you can challenge and complete asap, etc).

Once you reach the hotel, all the trainers will put on a show, where they all will be very angry., rude and just
obnoxious in general. They will shout and you, belittle you because you are not a KP or CKP, and push you to breaking point. ALL IN THE NAME OF TRAINING.

Activities done there are also useless. All they care is just making you feel shit, and making you feel that your life is so bad that mcocean is the only hope for you. Imagine having to have your meals in 10 minutes just to be in the next activity early to score points. Ridiculously stupid.

Oh and also, be prepared to only get 2 hours of sleep FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND. You'd be pressured into working for completing your group's flag and shit. Good luck future LTT attendees.

If any of you have more questions I would gladly share here. Of course I wasn't a KP like @geek goblin 123 but being a CKP myself, I have seen a lot of hypocritical stuff in McOcean also.

@Vinsmoke Reiju, when you are at CKP/ KP level and you have attended LTT. That was when your upline KP and PP will reveal their true colors to you. Unlike back in SP days when your KP and PP always smile in front of you and sweet talk you, they will be rude and harsh to you as if you are trash.

They will openly scold you and threaten you with losing your KP Position when you fail to do what they want. They suddenly become disrespectful and rude, sometimes even attack you in the Whatsapp group chat to pressure you to do something.

That was one of the reason why I woke up, so all the things we experience during SP time is just a Drama, all fake acting only.

At KP level, you will find lesser and lesser "team support" exist. You cannot trust your upline/ sideline KP because they will report whatever concerns you shared to them to the PP and then the PP will get you into private talks to psycho you. They will label you as a negative person just because you have doubts or speak up against what they did wrong.

So yeah, its quite a POLITICAL DRAMA up at the top, not as sweet as during SP & GP... 180 degrees OPPOSITE!



As for your LTT question, its been years ago so I will just share the activities back then:

- All the PP doesn't smile at all, all looks angry.
- PP will make you write all the title you have in your life (KP, Occupation, Level etc), and then order you the tear the paper and throw into the dustbin.
- No more "Apa Khabar Semua" cheer, all prohibited throughout the 3 days, no more PP and KP calling, all trainers are known as TUAN/ PUAN.
- Have to practice Group Cheers, paint your poster to advertise your group and Flag. But you got no time to do it except after 11pm.

Day 2
- Early morning need to present your cheer, advertisement and flag. Then all team get scolded badly for doing a lousy job. Some hardwork are being destroyed by trainers before your eyes.
- Then 1 by 1 those members/ team that was caught going back into the Hotel Rooms to sleep are being scolded. Saying their lazy thats why created such terrible results! Their expectation is that all members must stay awake till morning to finish up the painting work. We are ordered to rework everything on the 2nd night. Any group caught sleeping will be punished.
- Activity #1: Trainer will physically push you down to the corner, rudely shout at you with harsh words like "you're useless, you don't amount to anything etc". All you can reply is "buang!" (Throw away) to resist all the "negativities".

- Activity #2: Build your dream Mc-Ocean Office... and then get stepped on by the Trainers. Trainers will destroy your effort right before your eyes so members will start rioting to protect their work.

- Activity #3: Find your team mate - 2 of your teammates are hidden somewhere in the hotel, you have to look for them AFTER dinner. But when some teams went for dinner, they were yelled at for eating without the entire team present. Then the trainers will make you feel bad for abandoning your teammates and eating by yourselves. Calling your team a bunch of SELFISH LOSERS.

- Activity #4: Bankruptcy game - All the points in ALL teams will be drained to ZERO. And then the Team Leader is forced to call out 2 people in the team to be sent home & considered that he or she did not complete LTT. Then the chosen 2 will be put on stage to be publicly humiliated as SELFISH & COWARDS who chose to run away, the Team Leader will be shamed for making poor decision to choose those members.

[In truth I was more than happy to get out of this stupid camp, wasted my time and I am really sick and exhausted. But instead of sending us back, the trainers just shuffle us into different groups... F*ck.]

-Activity #5: Complete the puzzle: Each members are given a set of puzzle, but you will realised your puzzle can NEVER be completed. Only way you can complete it is by breaking the rules and work with your teammates by exchanging puzzle pieces. You get shouted at by Trainers but you have to keep on breaking the rules.

[Members are also given the option to give up the puzzle and just go back to their respective tables, only later to get scolded (as expected) for giving up.]

- At 11 pm, all member stayed back at Hotel Lobby to complete the Flags and Posters and Team Costumes. Not allowed to sleep until the next morning.


Day 3
- Activity #5: Auction House - With the points you earned you have to bid against other teams to win a certain assets. If you have not enough points you can borrow from the bank.

In the end, everyone wanted to outbit each other, all teams will be in SUPER HEAVY DEBTS to the bank. So in order to win, ALL TEAMS MUST GIVE UP their fighting and competing and unite as 1 team SD.

- Then seeing this the trainers start to smile back and they start saying how hard it is to act angry la and apologize for all the rude things they say la, etc... BOOHOO!

- By end of Day 3 your upline KP & PP will be there, to console you and then further brainwash you into believing in the Mc- Ocean Culture & Team, as if it is a Paradise for the hopeless.
- It was late at night after Day 3 of LTT, so a group of 4 of us ended up have to rent a Hotel Room and dropped asleep right after shower, slept until noon and then check out and leave Johor back to KL.




So there you have it. Most of the activities of LTT I could recall. I missed a couple of things, but mostly that is it.

My suggestion is, don't even bother to go LTT. Its just another 3D but worse. EVERYTHING is about psychoing you to BLINDLY BELIEVE IN MC- OCEAN and give your upline KP and PP and free pass to scold you and disrespect you in future.

[You will notice the way the KP treats people that attended LTT and those that did not VERY DIFFERENTLY.]

The only reason your upline KP persuade you to attend LTT, OR ANY CAMPS IN FACT, is because they have committed a certain amount of attendance expected in their networks and paid for it beforehand.

If they committed 10 people, they have paid RM 600 x 10 tickets = RM 6,000 to the PP.

So they are finding people to fill up only. Of course they get upset and start to become Hard Selling to you when you are expected by them to be going for LTT but you decided not to go... Then comes all the Tee up crap, keep bringing people to talk you into going.

Hope this helps to clarify things for you Sir.

Sounds like a mental game of break and remake so they can groom you the way they want to mould you and resistance is futile with so many people there to belittle and berate you. Remember, strength in numbers, so the only way to survive the LTT is to avoid attending at all cost in the first place. No other way around it.

McOcean members...especially SPs....fear CKPs and KPs even more
are trained very well to :-

- gain your trust
- deceive you
- give you false sense of comfort
- appear very professional to you

They rely a lot on their members to entice more people to join in;
which is why they smile, are very friendly and very concerned about you.

They want to make you feel like you are with the best people.

But you are just a "PROSPECT" to them, and that is how they address you when talking among themselves.

Example of a McOcean "training script" :-

Things to do in TP (Team Party)

1. Dress smartly
2. Look confident and elegant
3. Don't panic
4. Update groups on feedback once in a while, don't always look at phone
5. Always come back to PIC table to feedback after sharing
6. If partners wait too long, just be confident and tell them next partner is busy, need some time (make it exclusive)
7. Tee up the sharer like God, then bring them in (make sure your PROSPECT stands up and shake partners hand)
8. Smile & say correct ‼
9. Support the partner no matter what
10. Bring the PROSPECT and mix team after sharing (minimum 5 confident sharing)

Remember that you're giving ur PROSPECT an opportunity, not the other way round, the power is in your hands

First impression is very important, please look good and professional

For all of you who have been approached by McOcean Members,

Let me tell you, that you have been specifically targeted.

The CKPs and KPs love someone who fits these criteria:-
- Working for >3years
- Tired of working life due to stressful working environment
- Lot of family commitments (ailing parents, young siblings)

When you become a McOcean Member, a SP, the KPs will move in to start planning with you.

They will make you create a name list of all your known close friends and family based on facebook contacts, phone book and whatsapp.

They will then try to identify a JUICY PROSPECT,
someone they know will have the capacity to put down 35K
and will ask you to meet up with them for a "Warm Up"
where you will gather info on them into something called FORMHD.

The FORMHD will be shared among all members in the network;
so that they can find people like you
(same job, same problems, same dreams)
so that you can relate well to them, and
feel like they really care for you but in truth, no.

This is how a FORMHD Template looks like :-
05 📋FORMHD Template

Time of arrival:
Language: English
Relationship: Uni mate

Bridge: SP XXXX
Introducer: SP XXXX
Direct : KP XXX

Prospect Name: ABC
Age: 2X
Sex: M
Marital status: Single
Current car : Myvi
Education : Accounting & Finance

👪(FAMILY)
Attitude: Open, sociable, active, humble
Family structure: Eldest brothet
Children: Nil
Hometown: Johor
Currently stay : Kelana Jaya

👮(OCCUPATION)
Position: Account Receivable Exec (Finance)
Basic salary : RM4200
(Average 4k income per month)
EPF (yes/no): Yes
Working Period : a year and a half
Work location: KL Sentral

🚴(RECREATION)
After work: Gym, read, play PC Games
Free Time: as above
Sports: Gym
Hobbies: Social, travel

💰(MONETARY)
Extra Income: None
Credit Cards: Yes
Black List: No
Car loan: Myvi RM800/month
House loan: None
Personal loan: None
PTPTN: Not sure

💊(HEALTH)
Insurance:
Need our product:
a) Self:
b) Family:

🌈(DREAMS)
Car:
House: Own a house in 2 years
Vacation: Unsure
Financial freedom
Others: empower people

💡(PERCEPTION)
Anti MLM: Yes
Anti Direct Sales : Yes
Anti recruitment: Unsure

📝(NOTES):
1. Knows that working for people is not a long term thing, thus thought of doing a biz but not sure what to do
2. Interested in F&B business and plans to open a cafe or restaurant in the future for parents to manage to kill time.
3. Does not think that the company he is in now will be a long term place
4. Wants to relive the experience of guiding a team and doing voluntary work like the old uni days.

❤(SOFT POINT):
👉🏻 Wants to empower people
👉🏻 Interested to look into opportunities that can have more income (Money)
👉🏻

After TP feedback:
👉🏻 Has culture shock. Love to sincerity of the people. Reminds him of the time when he was actively involved in events during uni days as a leader.
👉🏻 Looks forward to getting the invitation to the office. He is looking for opportunites/platform to help rediscover himself more. He wants to empower and help people.
👉🏻Money is not the most important thing. He wants to be at a platform to build his own team and help others

The events are well planned to look fun and exciting;
These McOcean guys are experts in social engineering as I mentioned.

Did anyone attend the :-
📆Date: 15th July 2018 Sunday
⏰Time: 12-8pm
🕌Venue: SJK © Chung Kwo, Jalan Loke Yew, Kuala Lumpur (https://waze.com/ul/hw283f6nrq)
💌Ticket: RM60
👯🏻‍♀Stage emcees: KP Yu Jin, KP Niycshen, KP Mei Kuan & CKP Aidee
🕺🏻Floor emcees: CKP EJ & CKP Jane
💃🏻Sharers: PP Balan, PP Satish, KP Carissa & CPP Dr Azmin

Was everyone well dressed and very friendly ?
Did you feel like everybody wanted to get to know you and
become your friend ?

Of course. They have been "trained" how to treat you (the Prospect)

The training script is as follows :-

🕌HEY ‼HEY‼HEY🕌

🎊This is a guideline on how to make our GRAND RAYA CELEBRATION a HUGE success! 🎊
Say ✅ to Bridge yg hebat. Say ❌ to Bridge kayu.

WHAT TO DO BEFORE/DURING/AFTER GRAND RAYA CELEBRATION ?

Days Before GRC
1. Ensure prospect has Raya outfit👗 Arrange a shopping session! 🛍
2. Meet them to pass the tickets. 🎫Send them posters and videos.
3. Ensure they know it’s a business event.
4. Ensure we have done CPWU/TP/ABP before inviting them to the event. This is to ensure they are prepared with what will happen.
5. Get tee up notes of the emcees and speakers and also partners.
-Emcees (KP Nisychen , KP Yujin, KP Mei Kuan and CKP Aidee) 🎤
- Sharers (PP Satish, KP Carissa, CPP Dr Azmin and PP Balan) 🎤
-Prayer (KP Firdaous)
- MNU (KP Nicholas, KP Ee Kee, KP Dr Kevn)
6. A day before event, arrange a sleepover.
7. Arrange transport and fetch prospect. 🚗
8. Confirm table seating with CKP/KP (P-B-P-B)
9. 💢Prepare Enerfibre and shaker for you and P. 💢

During the event day (15th July 2018)
Arrival
1. Gather at Fraser Business Park at 11.30am. Ensure prospects to have lunch first🍝🍜🍲. Eg. Eat Full Full, Berkat Ariffin, Alminath , Teo Chew Fish Ball Noodle, Choon Yuen or anywhere around the vicinity.
2. Reach at SJK Chung Kwo by 1pm. You may carpool to the destination or book a Grab.
3. Introduce prospects to the floor emcees (CKP Eric & CKP Jane) so that they feel more welcomed.
4. Bring prospects to play games 👾 at the foyer before entering to the hall.
5. Tee up luxury cars parked in front of the school.
6. Let P to receive the Lucky draw prize. If it's you number being called, pass it to your P.
7. Bring to Photobooth

During
1. Be excited😄 and continue teeing up sharers (PP Satish, PP Balan, CPP Dr Azmin and KP Carissa).
2. Let P eat first.
3. After dinner, we will have Fibre drinking session. There’ll be water station at the back of the hall (left & right).
4. During performances, be excited and join in the fun and continue tee up!💃🏻🕺🏻
5. Don’t complain, don’t always use the phone.❌
6. Focus throughout the event. ✅
7. Don’t agree with P. Rationalize them.✅

Ending
1. Wait for the Grand Prize Lucky Draw winner . IT IS A 🖥 PRIZE!!! 😱
2. Flash Mob. MNU song(Shakira) will be played. 💃🏻🕺🏻
3. Dance with P. 30 mins of upbeat songs will be played.

After the event
1. Head to Viva Home for dinner party. 🍽
2. Get the p feedback. Ask Them what they think of the event and partners so far.
3. Invite for TP on Tuesday. ✅
4. Block date for ABP and MNU. ✅

Bridge yg hebat will read this msg til the end and acknowledge!! If you follow this thru, you confirm will bridge on 22nd July 😉😉 Individually, we are a drop.Together we are an ocean 🌊

How come McOcean people like to use all these cringy smileys?? I noticed it’s a running theme among those who are involved in pyramid schemes.

👹Hey Hey Hey! !💩 Useless Event No. 485 is coming up!! Are you 🥜🚨 EXCITED ?!! 💉?? Not only would it be another round of harrassing 💣💣 your friends 🤡⚔️⚙️ and family 👾🚿🔬 to participate in boring ⚰️🤢 activities, but guess what?? You can make 💰💰💰 money 💸💸💸 off them too! 🚬 Remember, it ain’t McOcean 🌫 until you have alienated 🚀 everyone close to you 🌪🐀 and be in thousands ringgit in debt! ☠️💸💸💸☠️

Btw, enjoyed reading about the LTT experiences! Do you think the KPs make some money off the LTT and 3D trainings? Since I notice it’s always the same people who goes to Melaka and JB to be the trainers.

Speaking of events,
McOcean members go crazy when it comes to Public Holidays;
as that is when they would have all kind of events
for their members to get their friends/family members exposed
to the "team" and gather information about you.

Your information may have already been collected in a FORMHD;
to be shared with other McOcean members which are joining the event;
so that they will approach you on that day,
to make you feel more welcomed or
to pump more info out of you to update the FORMHD

They will ask you personal questions.
Your friend who brought you will tell you
these McOcean Clowns are successful entrepreneurs making 5 digit income;
trying to spark your curiosity to know these clowns even more;
or attend the event.

They will also rely on these clowns to
"break business" to you,
as they themselves are afraid to bring you into a business;
which they are not allowed to even reveal the stupid name (McOcean)

Did I mention, that you have to pay for these event;
or that your poor friend is footing the bill on your behalf.

Example, this coming Public Holiday, 22/8/2018 (Hari Raya Haji),
an event being organised :-

💥☄🔫 LASER TAG 💥☄🔫

PIC :
KP Patrick/KP Irene/KP Cv/CKP Wai How/CKP Shaun

Date: 22/8/2018 (Wednesday, Public Holiday)
Time: 11am-2pm
Venue: Laser Battle, Sunway Pyramid
Price: RM 48/pax (RM 30/pax for Member, Please remember to bring ur member card)

🙋🏼 Who's coming?
Eg: Bridge - Prospect Name - 🅿Status
1.

Pls also remark 🅿status:-
✅ know biz
❌ don't know biz
-------------------------

Failing to plan = planning to fail!!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Wow! So much detailed information of this scam business being shared and circulated! Gonna take some time to read and digest all of them. Great stuff, guys! 👏👏👐👍✌

@blueterry626, better that you warn your SP friend not to buy his 5th SP in order to challenge... Alot of my peers did not make it doing so.

Did not managed to complete as KP, network crashed and now drowned in RM 70K debts. They have to suffer paying RM 2k + every month to the Bank for 5 years, no thanks to Mc-Ocean.

Yes McOcean products are overpriced junk. If they really work, why aren’t people using it outside of the biz partners. Simply said, there is no genuine outside demand for the product. They only ‘move’ the products by forcing downlines to purchase in large bulks when they sign up as distributors.

If your SP thinks this forum is just negativity from a few bitter ex-members, she should check out reddit’s Anti-MLM page.

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/

They’ll find out that all ‘legal’ pyramid schemes all over the world operates in the exact same way — brainwashing tactics, striking their soft points, promising illusions of success and financial freedom. There are more than 200,000 subscribers/members in the subpage — one of the fastest growing online communities in reddit. There’s a lot of info on income disclosures, stories of relationships destroyed by MLM, exposure of scam tactics, etc. Seems like a lot of people are fed up of MLM industry predatory tactics lately.

This post has been edited by Devilwearsprada22: Aug 21 2018, 01:51 PM