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Dinasaur33
post Aug 16 2018, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Aug 16 2018, 04:27 PM)
U mean Saturday 1pm till late is VR session at Publika?
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Opps, yes.
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post Aug 16 2018, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(blueterry626 @ Aug 16 2018, 03:06 PM)
I still passby oldtown white coffee when I go to gym after work...
sometimes I just hope to go there and yell to the people there stop this BS...
being a girl, I m just too shy to do that...later those KPs will use violence against me...  sad.gif
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Wow! Nevertheless, you still are a brave and bold woman, to gather your strength and courage to chop your losses and quit. Not to mention, your noble actions of trying to warn the new comers sitting at the Oldtown at Viva Home. Your actions would surely raise eye brows and questions up to a certain degree. 👏👏👍👍✌

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post Aug 16 2018, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Aug 16 2018, 05:55 PM)
Wow! Nevertheless, you still are a brave and bold woman, to gather your strength and courage to chop your losses and quit. Not to mention, your noble actions of trying to warm the new comers sitting at the Oldtown at Viva Home. Your actions would surely raise eye brows and questions up to a certain degree. 👏👏👍👍✌
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😆😆😆😆😆 So much encouragement there 💯💯
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post Aug 17 2018, 04:12 PM

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i think what we're doing here in lowyat is working.
if you see on google, all the recent 5 star reviews are all from their KPs.
kp susan, kp tay, kp joewin, kp sean.

i believe we should not only post here in lowyat but also review on google for more audience.
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post Aug 17 2018, 04:40 PM

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Tay Tay
1 review
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I consuming products like EnerTri, alkurma & Serywn since very beginning. The most memorable moment was when i had my yearly body check up, report showed that my LDL level finally reach the targeted level by just consuming theit Ener369. My mum, from not believe in any direct selling company products as she told me they all are the same, but because of my dog recover from skin allergy by just consuming Enertri, she started to support me in this biz. All these are my own testimonials which give me more n more belief that i can go very far in this biz as products are no doubt too amazing. Meaning to say, i am pleased to be introduced to Mc Ocean since 5years ago.
WOW WOW. See that in the mcocean Google review, he gave a testimonial of his DOG. drool.gif , and then his mom is VERY VERY happy and from anti-direct sell become direct selling supporter !
Seems like this guy has a warehouse full of mcocean stock and human beings in his family unable to finish it.
omg What did I just see. doh.gif

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post Aug 17 2018, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Aug 17 2018, 05:23 PM)
i just visited this mcO website

noticed a lot of monthly top kp
googled some names and surprised some are doctors. how did they venture into this if what you guys say here is true (suspected scam)?

and some keep repeat and become top kp for many month? meaning they recruit a lot of ppl?

and why is one of  the TOP KP NoV2017 kelly tan a man? kelly is a man name?
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In every country, there are people being scammed from rich (or at least moderately well-off) to poor.
Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...mJTvWzBXfBHT.99
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post Aug 17 2018, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 17 2018, 05:30 PM)
In every country, there are people being scammed from rich (or at least moderately well-off) to poor.
Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...mJTvWzBXfBHT.99
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the second part.... the doctors testimonials..... OMG.... these people! and so called drs
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post Aug 17 2018, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(skava @ Aug 16 2018, 10:32 AM)
Great sharing! I can totally relate to you since i was in the exact same situation as you before.
I was a ckp before quitting this business, and it was then i saw the horror of the business once i started attending the meetings for ckps/kps. ohmy.gif
I personally know kps who only became kps because their greedy upline kp cannot wait to become a prince by dnd night.
Imagine taking loans for 10-12 sps. you can do the math.
And yet when giving talks and in meetings, these kps will speak as though they worked and slogged hard for that kp-ship (fucking hypocrites).

i hope more ex-kps and ex-ckps can come out to share more of their experience regarding this 'business'.

As for you brother i hope you can get over your hardships caused by mcocean ASAP.  flex.gif
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Do u mean the kp use their own name to loan and give it to the SP?
Which mean sp will get the 34k product without forking out a single cent since the loan is on the kp name?
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post Aug 18 2018, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 17 2018, 10:07 PM)
Do u mean the kp use their own name to loan and give it to the SP?
Which mean sp will get the 34k product without forking out a single cent since the loan is on the kp name?
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Usually when a KP buy an SP, that SP is someone close to he/ she, that just act as a dummy SP (i.e: will not be active in the business).

For example, the indian PP S back then when he only a SP, he has 4 SP under him, so he short of 1 SP to become a CKP, what he did was that he loan RM 34k and register his own mother as his 5th SP. Then used his mother's account to buy RM 34k products. Then his mother is now an SP and S got 5 SP under him to be elevated to CKP, which he will rely on the 4 SP's network to push him up to become KP.


He is the 1st to practice this, then comes a series of KPs and CKPs all follow his practice:

Chinese PP S 5th SP was his wife, other KPs are their brother/ sisters, parents or their BF/ GF.

Technically this is not illegal to Mc-ocean because they only see the RM 34K sales they make. But the practice of making a member to loan another RM 35k when he is still paying off his RM 35K, is despicable and heartless! Not like those A**HOLE KPs will help the CKP to pay off the RM 70K debts after 6 months, and even after 6 months, that new RM 35K he will not get the full amount refunded too!

So when this backfires, the CKP not only unable to become a KP, but ended up with now drowned in RM 50K at least worth of debts!




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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Aug 17 2018, 05:36 PM)
the second part.... the doctors testimonials..... OMG.... these people! and so called drs
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That is very unethical and unprofessional of them giving their testimonials as medical practitioners. Should report them to MMA and get their practicing licenced revoked.
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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Aug 18 2018, 08:58 AM)
Usually when a KP buy an SP, that SP is someone close to he/ she, that just act as a dummy SP (i.e: will not be active in the business).

For example, the indian PP S back then when he only a SP, he has 4 SP under him, so he short of 1 SP to become a CKP, what he did was that he loan RM 34k and register his own mother as his 5th SP. Then used his mother's account to buy RM 34k products. Then his mother is now an SP and S got 5 SP under him to be elevated to CKP, which he will rely on the 4 SP's network to push him up to become KP.
He is the 1st to practice this, then comes a series of KPs and CKPs all follow his practice:

Chinese PP S 5th SP was his wife, other KPs are their brother/ sisters, parents or their BF/ GF.

Technically this is not illegal to Mc-ocean because they only see the RM 34K sales they make. But the practice of making a member to loan another RM 35k when he is still paying off his RM 35K, is despicable and heartless! Not like those A**HOLE KPs will help the CKP to pay off the RM 70K debts after 6 months, and even after 6 months, that new RM 35K he will not get the full amount refunded too!

So when this backfires, the CKP not only unable to become a KP, but ended up with now drowned in RM 50K at least worth of debts!
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Ah I see.
But what is the benefits if become KP? That he willing to loan 34k for this?
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post Aug 18 2018, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Aug 17 2018, 05:23 PM)
i just visited this mcO website

noticed a lot of monthly top kp
googled some names and surprised some are doctors. how did they venture into this if what you guys say here is true (suspected scam)?

and some keep repeat and become top kp for many month? meaning they recruit a lot of ppl?

and why is one of  the TOP KP NoV2017 kelly tan a man? kelly is a man name?
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Very simple.

1. Not every professionals, no matter doctors, lawyers, bankers and others share the same professionalism, ethics & conduct, skills and mindset.

2. There are always differences in skill set, soft skills, and level of knowledge even though they are all doctors, just like your result's ranking in your colleges. Professional dropout do happen due to competition and this might end up some professionals decided to move on somewhere else. I even met some police themselves come to Mcocean's MNU, who they are really genuinely come and explore the business, because of mcocean's "filtering" process and there is a lawyer with strong connection who can check a person's background, hence those who can enter MNU are usually harmless to mcocean.

3. Yes some KP can be top continuously, because they survived 4-5 years and above, remember this is "networking"/ recruitment pyramid scheme. They have 5 downlines, those downlines recruits more and at the end it's a number game for them. 10 of them quit, still have another 10 to recruit another 30. It's just the matter of speed.

Again, no every KP have the same skills. Some can do it consistently, some are not but just surviving, some stuck at CKP, that's the reason in "top KP" section u see some of them 1, 2 times only. You can further relate this from the ugly truth as revealed previously.

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post Aug 18 2018, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Aug 18 2018, 01:23 PM)
1. You get to make imaginary RM 20k to RM 100k every month. Note: A new tactic played by Mc-Ocean, every month their income statement in their online account is "pumped" with an extra RM 20k. If they only make RM 2,000, the income statement will appear as RM 22k, NOT RM 2k.

That is why the KPs and PPs can so easily get loans approved.
2. You become the center of attention - Everyone adores you in the biz. You can BS all you like and insult anyone and everyone will treat your words like the word of God.

3. You become your upline PP's lapdogs - PP ask you to do what, you must obey. PP ask them to put 5 star Google review, you must do because your annual KPI depends on the PP.

{Yeah I am talking about you Mr. Sin, Mr. Sean, Ms Joe Win, Ms Susan and Mr Dick & Mr Tay - All the lap dogs & b*tches of PP S. Come bite me?  tongue.gif }
That's all you get as a KP. All but a hollow dream.
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Owhh wow. What a surprising news, annual KPI depends on those Prince premiers ?

Greetings to those SPs, CKP, KP, who are still in mcocean now,

Do you remember that when u are recruited, they mentioned no KPI in this business?
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post Aug 18 2018, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Aug 18 2018, 01:23 PM)
1. You get to make imaginary RM 20k to RM 100k every month. Note: A new tactic played by Mc-Ocean, every month their income statement in their online account is "pumped" with an extra RM 20k. If they only make RM 2,000, the income statement will appear as RM 22k, NOT RM 2k.

That is why the KPs and PPs can so easily get loans approved.
2. You become the center of attention - Everyone adores you in the biz. You can BS all you like and insult anyone and everyone will treat your words like the word of God.

3. You become your upline PP's lapdogs - PP ask you to do what, you must obey. PP ask them to put 5 star Google review, you must do because your annual KPI depends on the PP.

{Yeah I am talking about you Mr. Sin, Mr. Sean, Ms Joe Win, Ms Susan and Mr Dick & Mr Tay - All the lap dogs & b*tches of PP S. Come bite me?  tongue.gif }
That's all you get as a KP. All but a hollow dream.
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Seems to me that the KPI is just a hoodwink and eye wash to make the KP's and new recruits think that their performance for sales is being measured but in actual fact it is not since everybody needs to take loans and spend a specific amount to buy their products, before disposing of them by conning the people closest to you into buying them.
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post Aug 18 2018, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Aug 18 2018, 05:14 PM)
Seems to me that the KPI is just a hoodwink and eye wash to make the KP's and new recruits think that their performance for sales is being measured but in actual fact it is not since everybody needs to take loans and spend a specific amount to buy their products, before disposing of them by conning the people closest to you into buying them.
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Not just Sales Target, they have to be trainers and speakers for those brainwashing talks, and lastly being recommended by their PP.

In other words, you have to be PP's obedience DOG. Anything he orders you to do, you must do. If 2 consecutive years a KP did not meet his KPI, he will lose his KP position.

So much for FINANCIAL FREEDOM, PASSIVE INCOME and BUSINESS OWNERSHIP that they always promise new members ... All bull sh*t.

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QUOTE(Geek Goblin 123 @ Aug 18 2018, 08:22 PM)
Not just Sales Target, they have to be trainers and speakers for those brainwashing talks, and lastly being recommended by their PP.

In other words, you have to be PP's obedience DOG. Anything he orders you to do, you must do. If 2 consecutive years a KP did not meet his KPI, he will lose his KP position.

So much for FINANCIAL FREEDOM, PASSIVE INCOME and BUSINESS OWNERSHIP that they always promise new members ... All bull sh*t.
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Yeah, with so much of misleading info.

proven Fake Dream of Success. from Mcocean & SD.
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post Aug 19 2018, 01:33 PM

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I just found out, their product might not be useful as they claim to be.

One of the KP, has very bad allergic. The face is quite bas and cannot consume meat.

If the products really good as they mentioned.
Why don't the KP consume enerTri for skin problem and enerXEL for cell regeneration.
Suppose with the combination, the KP should be cured.

I feel their products is not awesome as they claim, but just a normal supplement only.
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post Aug 19 2018, 01:50 PM

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I very agree with @GeekGoblin123 that KP don't really earn so much as they claim to be.
Maybe some of them yes.

I found those so called "millionaire", they are very particular on food price.
They even can order "soup noodle kosong" amd said it is very cheap to eat this for RM5, as the soup taste the same. Well, the normal seafood noodle is just only RM 13 per bowl......

Sometimes after event or training, they will go cafe or restaurant for sharing session (or whatever brainwashed session), the KPs can order one food, and two people share it.
Well, last minute they just claim they are very hungry, suddenly cannot eat so much? Even keep curi food from richer KP.
I don't think a set of food cause RM 15 is expensive, especially for those earning RM 20k people.

And there is also a KP, keep mentioning the partner just change phone to P20 pro, WITHOUT THINKING! Keep saying that KP is earning so much, so can affort to buy the phone. Bla bla bla...
I don't think RM 3.5k is expensive for people making RM 20k per month. So, you don't need to keep mentioning that.
I am not earning RM 20k per month. But, if not because of this business cause me lost so much money, I also can buy iPhone X without doubt. (I am bearing the loan RM 35k, and don't know when can I clear it. Sad.)

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QUOTE(Dinasaur33 @ Aug 19 2018, 01:50 PM)
I very agree with @GeekGoblin123 that KP don't really earn so much as they claim to be.
Maybe some of them yes.

I found those so called "millionaire", they are very particular on food price.
They even can order "soup noodle kosong" amd said it is very cheap to eat this for RM5, as the soup taste the same. Well, the normal seafood noodle is just only RM 13 per bowl......

Sometimes after event or training, they will go cafe or restaurant for sharing session (or whatever brainwashed session), the KPs can order one food, and two people share it.
Well, last minute they just claim they are very hungry, suddenly cannot eat so much? Even keep curi food from richer KP.
I don't think a set of food cause RM 15 is expensive, especially for those earning RM 20k people.

And there is also a KP, keep mentioning the partner just change phone to P20 pro, WITHOUT THINKING! Keep saying that KP is earning so much, so can affort to buy the phone. Bla bla bla...
I don't think RM 3.5k is expensive for people making RM 20k per month. So, you don't need to keep mentioning that.
I am not earning RM 20k per month. But, if not because of this business cause me lost so much money, I also can buy iPhone X without doubt. (I am bearing the loan RM 35k, and don't know when can I clear it. Sad.)
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@Dinosaur33, you are right, their behaviour is what made me very sure that they do not RM 20k - 100k per month as they brag. I know of a KP that steals money from other KPs purses or eat other member's meal during gatherings. Everytime say "We are family", "Bros must share share", "He's very economical" etc...

As for the products:

1. Enertri = Rice
2. Enerfiber = Fruits and Vegetable
3. Ener369 = Mangosteen
4. Enerbest = Barley

Yeah of course it works, AREN'T WE EATING THESE EVERYDAY OF OUR LIVES? WHY DO I NEED TO SPEND AN ARM AND A LEG TO BUY THEIR SH*T?

NOTHING beats natural stuff, if want to be healthy, just buy FRESH from the market and exercise. Way way better effect that those overpriced processed crap they sell!

Back then I have been fighting to lose weight. I tried the Enerbest. I drank so many tins to replace my meals and my weight just cannot drop. Because of consuming only these products, my body do not have the sufficient nutrient and I always get sick easily.

Now I am eating regular meals and exercising daily. I have not been sick for a very long time and my body has toned up.

Who needs their sh*tty products to be healthy?








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