I don't understand why after the MNU, the participants will be in high model. Pls explain.

I went to viva home last week,met my ex upline.
He warned me don't disturb his team party and ask me get lost from oldtown lol...

I went to viva home last week,met my ex upline.
He warned me don't disturb his team party and ask me get lost from oldtown lol...

I went to viva home last week,met my ex upline.
He warned me don't disturb his team party and ask me get lost from oldtown lol...

If they rich why still want new people to join? So baik to help unknown outsider. Why not help own family or relatives?

My upline gave me a contact of this "Runner"/ "Banker" called Ramesh (His contact Number is: 010-2124251).

As per what @Mcoceansatishcon said, the following day, right after MNU. We are told by PP and Upline KP to do sourcing with those positive prospect immediately (they are now in a drugged stage of excitement, which the "fire" will die in 48 hours).

We will 1st go BNM to print the prospect's CCRIS then we will snap a photo to be sent to Ramesh. Then he will advise on what can be done, need or don't need to do adjust the CCRIS Score.

If needed to be done, we will bring the prospect to a Hong Leong Mach or RHB Bank (both are in Klang Area) whereby Ramesh and his gang will adjust the prospect's CCRIS score to get a maximum amount of loan from HL Mach, the balance his peers at RHB will loan. So in total they will make the prospect loan (RM 36,000 + 6% which is around RM 2160) = RM 38,160.

HL & RHB approved loan will take less than 1 hour to bank into the prospect's account. Once prospect get the loan approval SMS, KPs will ask prospect to withdraw RM 2160 to be given to Ramesh as commission.

Then the "Runner' job is done, the balance will bring prospect go to nearby bank to make Bank Drafts and then immediately buy products to "Seal the Deal".

At night will send you for training at SD Office to give you "confidence" to run the business.

A few things that PP and Upline KPs will teach you to do:

1. Be "nice" to new SPs for 6 months so they will not withdraw.
2. All SP must buy the water filter and must install as soon as possible. So if they withdraw they cannot return the water filter. Reduce the refund needed to return by uplines when a SP withdraw.
3. SPs are our "money making machines", so no matter what must make them pay up RM 35k to become a SP.

That is how Mc-Ocean Practices the brainwash. Keeping you high in excitement so you blindly do as the KPs say, without knowing that you are already in a scam.

Awesome sharing, wow they are so "powerful and magical" to adjust the CCRIS. Wondering which magician banker they "cooperate/pakat" with.
Let's try question those lawyers in mcocean about this?

How about loan for those fulltime KP and PP if they need it (obviously is to buy more SPs and renting luxury cars as revealed earlier)? Logically it will be harder for them to get more loan, since they are not salary-based and some even have more debt as u mentioned.
I know and remember that they have their own "financial planning" and can only share to you when u reach "KP' ranking. What is that?

By adjusting the CCRIS rating's they have already committed fraud which is a punishable crime by law.

Awesome sharing, wow they are so "powerful and magical" to adjust the CCRIS. Wondering which magician banker they "cooperate/pakat" with.
Let's try question those lawyers in mcocean about this?

How about loan for those fulltime KP and PP if they need it (obviously is to buy more SPs and renting luxury cars as revealed earlier)? Logically it will be harder for them to get more loan, since they are not salary-based and some even have more debt as u mentioned.
I know and remember that they have their own "financial planning" and can only share to you when u reach "KP' ranking. What is that?

If you have the time, stay awhile and read my post…

I am one of those members who was so badly brainwashed by Mc-Ocean that I became their pawn for 2 years. I even achieve the status of KP, and then I quit because I finally wake up and see that everything was a COMPLETE LIE.

When you reached a higher rank like CKP and then KP, only then many things start to surface out. Then you realised that YOU GOT SCAMMED, BADLY! But it is too late to escape now with so many active downlines under you and when you are a fulltimer (you need your downline to make money to survive).

Some lies that you will not be told about Mc Ocean during the “3 Stages of Filtration Process”:

1. The interview (1st stage) is a complete BS! – 100 ppl who goes there, 100 of them are invited to the office to see the Marketing Plan. Why? Because the Uplines are always desperate for income, I mean seriously DESPERATE. Many KPs and PPs never make money for months straight.

2.  KPs make RM 20k – 100k every month, while PPs make RM 100k and above – This is the WORST lie I am forced to tell my downlines and others! Many KPs makes less than RM 20k every YEAR. Why? Read No. 5.

3. If No.2 is correct, why so many KPs and PPs are driving BMW and Mercedes? BECAUSE THOSE CARS ARE NOT THEIRS, BUT A RENTAL. They just renew their rental every year.

During KP meetings, KPs are constantly pressured by the Princes (No name mentioned, just know 1 is an Indian man and the other 1 is a arrogant Chinese, both names start with “S”) to rent a fancy car to make yourself look “RICH & SUCCESSFUL”, so SPs will aspire to recruit more downlines and then you can increase your Sales. 

4. A lot of KPs and CKPs and even PPs got to this position by buying SPs. Yes, I was 1 of them being conned by my upline to buy SPs to hit quota and get promoted. He told me that I should be KP fast by taking more Bank Loans and said that I can afford to pay them back with my RM 20k – 100k monthly income. In truth, your upline KP is even poorer than you, with hundred thousand to million ringgits of debts.

(Do not be deceived by the recent 2 PP that he is rich, both of them took out heavy loans to buy their KPs so they can be PPs) 

5. Hidden cost in this biz – This is very technical and only those who are SP and above will understand what I am saying. In short, for those that haven’t join this scam and planned to, DON’T, JUST DON’T.

If you have attended the final session of the 3rd stage (aka MNU), which is called Y33. They will show you a “Financial Planning” which show how by just recruiting 1 person every month you can make 5 Figure Income as a SP. Let me just be frank, this is a complete lie because:

a) There is a maintenance cost of RM 1900 every month as a SP. Yeah, Mc-ocean will say it is “flexible”. But if you want to make money from your downline’s Sales, you must pay it 1st from your Pocket. Lets say you make RM 3400 of SP Generation Bonus on the month of July, by 31st of July you must buy RM 1900 worth of products only can you get your RM 3400 on 15th of August every month. So minus all the cost you actually only make:

RM 3400 – RM 1900 + RM 532 (a little rebate from your SP’s 33% rebate) = RM 2032 only

Logically, can you survive with this income every month as a fulltimer?

b) You can EITHER make money from your RECRUITMENT OR SPGB, not BOTH. This is the biggest lie that your upline KP will NEVER tell you unless it happened, and you question them.

Yes, this is true. Yes, let’s say you recruited 1 friend as SP and your friend recruited 2 friends as SP:

What Mc-Ocean KP will tell you in MNU:

Your income = RM 4000 (from your recruitment) + 2x RM 1700 (from your friend’s 2 friend) = RM 7,400

What actually you make:

Since RM 4000 > 2x RM 1700.

Mc- Ocean will ONLY give you RM 4000.

So far from the RM 10k, 20k & even 50k that they portray to you.
c) SP Generation can only last for 5 generations, NOT 10 as what was presented – You can only earn from your 6th to 10th Generation’s income when you recruited your 6th SP. What the upline KPs always say is you only need to recruit 5 person and you can make “Passive Income” for the rest of your life is just nonsense. If so, why the KPs now are so desperately recruiting for themselves? No money mah…
 
I see the forum is only talking about victims of RM 2k or losing their RM 35k. This can talk down new people from joining Mc- Ocean but it cannot convince many existing SPs to stop what their doing. I hope this insight can share a new light to the darker places of Mc-Ocean. All these lies are always not told to you or even your friend who introduced this biz to you.

When you start questioning your uplines, only then that KP will reluctantly “REVEAL” these revelation to you…

I was one of those being lied to again and again by my upline KP, who used my Trust, my Hopes and Dreams as a weapon against to make me run this business and make them richer.

Because of Mc-Ocean, I am drowned in RM 100,000 worth of debts and I have lost so many of my friend's and family trust towards me… I hope this can help to convince you, say NO to Mc-Ocean!

Great sharing! I can totally relate to you since i was in the exact same situation as you before.
I was a ckp before quitting this business, and it was then i saw the horror of the business once i started attending the meetings for ckps/kps.
I personally know kps who only became kps because their greedy upline kp cannot wait to become a prince by dnd night.
Imagine taking loans for 10-12 sps. you can do the math.
And yet when giving talks and in meetings, these kps will speak as though they worked and slogged hard for that kp-ship (fucking hypocrites).

i hope more ex-kps and ex-ckps can come out to share more of their experience regarding this 'business'.

As for you brother i hope you can get over your hardships caused by mcocean ASAP. 

If you have the time, stay awhile and read my post…

I am one of those members who was so badly brainwashed by Mc-Ocean that I became their pawn for 2 years. I even achieve the status of KP, and then I quit because I finally wake up and see that everything was a COMPLETE LIE.

When you reached a higher rank like CKP and then KP, only then many things start to surface out. Then you realised that YOU GOT SCAMMED, BADLY! But it is too late to escape now with so many active downlines under you and when you are a fulltimer (you need your downline to make money to survive).

Some lies that you will not be told about Mc Ocean during the “3 Stages of Filtration Process”:

1. The interview (1st stage) is a complete BS! – 100 ppl who goes there, 100 of them are invited to the office to see the Marketing Plan. Why? Because the Uplines are always desperate for income, I mean seriously DESPERATE. Many KPs and PPs never make money for months straight.

2.  KPs make RM 20k – 100k every month, while PPs make RM 100k and above – This is the WORST lie I am forced to tell my downlines and others! Many KPs makes less than RM 20k every YEAR. Why? Read No. 5.

3. If No.2 is correct, why so many KPs and PPs are driving BMW and Mercedes? BECAUSE THOSE CARS ARE NOT THEIRS, BUT A RENTAL. They just renew their rental every year.

During KP meetings, KPs are constantly pressured by the Princes (No name mentioned, just know 1 is an Indian man and the other 1 is a arrogant Chinese, both names start with “S”) to rent a fancy car to make yourself look “RICH & SUCCESSFUL”, so SPs will aspire to recruit more downlines and then you can increase your Sales. 

4. A lot of KPs and CKPs and even PPs got to this position by buying SPs. Yes, I was 1 of them being conned by my upline to buy SPs to hit quota and get promoted. He told me that I should be KP fast by taking more Bank Loans and said that I can afford to pay them back with my RM 20k – 100k monthly income. In truth, your upline KP is even poorer than you, with hundred thousand to million ringgits of debts.

(Do not be deceived by the recent 2 PP that he is rich, both of them took out heavy loans to buy their KPs so they can be PPs) 

5. Hidden cost in this biz – This is very technical and only those who are SP and above will understand what I am saying. In short, for those that haven’t join this scam and planned to, DON’T, JUST DON’T.

If you have attended the final session of the 3rd stage (aka MNU), which is called Y33. They will show you a “Financial Planning” which show how by just recruiting 1 person every month you can make 5 Figure Income as a SP. Let me just be frank, this is a complete lie because:

a) There is a maintenance cost of RM 1900 every month as a SP. Yeah, Mc-ocean will say it is “flexible”. But if you want to make money from your downline’s Sales, you must pay it 1st from your Pocket. Lets say you make RM 3400 of SP Generation Bonus on the month of July, by 31st of July you must buy RM 1900 worth of products only can you get your RM 3400 on 15th of August every month. So minus all the cost you actually only make:

RM 3400 – RM 1900 + RM 532 (a little rebate from your SP’s 33% rebate) = RM 2032 only

Logically, can you survive with this income every month as a fulltimer?

b) You can EITHER make money from your RECRUITMENT OR SPGB, not BOTH. This is the biggest lie that your upline KP will NEVER tell you unless it happened, and you question them.

Yes, this is true. Yes, let’s say you recruited 1 friend as SP and your friend recruited 2 friends as SP:

What Mc-Ocean KP will tell you in MNU:

Your income = RM 4000 (from your recruitment) + 2x RM 1700 (from your friend’s 2 friend) = RM 7,400

What actually you make:

Since RM 4000 > 2x RM 1700.

Mc- Ocean will ONLY give you RM 4000.

So far from the RM 10k, 20k & even 50k that they portray to you.
c) SP Generation can only last for 5 generations, NOT 10 as what was presented – You can only earn from your 6th to 10th Generation’s income when you recruited your 6th SP. What the upline KPs always say is you only need to recruit 5 person and you can make “Passive Income” for the rest of your life is just nonsense. If so, why the KPs now are so desperately recruiting for themselves? No money mah…
 
I see the forum is only talking about victims of RM 2k or losing their RM 35k. This can talk down new people from joining Mc- Ocean but it cannot convince many existing SPs to stop what their doing. I hope this insight can share a new light to the darker places of Mc-Ocean. All these lies are always not told to you or even your friend who introduced this biz to you.

When you start questioning your uplines, only then that KP will reluctantly “REVEAL” these revelation to you…

I was one of those being lied to again and again by my upline KP, who used my Trust, my Hopes and Dreams as a weapon against to make me run this business and make them richer.

Because of Mc-Ocean, I am drowned in RM 100,000 worth of debts and I have lost so many of my friend's and family trust towards me… I hope this can help to convince you, say NO to Mc-Ocean!

[joshuain9,Aug 16 2018, 12:05 PM]
Thank you for reveal all the darkness, especially the point 5(b) is the terrible fact i never heard before. And i haven't hear my introduce upline complaint about it yet, maybe their change the rule& regulation, i not sure? If now this rule still existing i believe it will be strongest point to let those existing member quit the fxking dirty game.

Because the truth that revealed here, i realized that losing RM30k is not the worse thing, it's NOT WORTH to let yourself from victim turns to accomplice, to sell your soul and heart to cheat you beloved friend and family, and let them getting to deeper hole and you getting to more deeper hole by bearing scary debt.

Now i finally make a decision and make withdraw, and i prepared i can't get back my money in the end.

And a little add on to tell:-
When i go to do withdrawal and asked the Mcocean manager when i can get back my money, he said it will return the 32% that Mcocean take after 30 working days, the remaining balance will ONLY return to me when all of my uplines got sales, they directly deduce from it and pass back to me
Then i asked if the worst case happen, my upline have not sales to let you guys deduce, what will happen that time, may i ask Mcocean return the remaing part to me? He said, oh~ it's none of Mcocean business anymore, from beginning joined the black&white clearly stated Mcocean only take 32%, 68% go to distributor. So if the worst case happened, the thing only can do it's just give a letter to request their return money, of course i still may personal go to ask those bunch of upline refund directly    .

Thank you for reveal all the darkness, especially the point 5(b) is the terrible fact i never heard before. And i haven't hear my introduce upline complaint about it yet, maybe their change the rule& regulation, i not sure? If now this rule still existing i believe it will be strongest point to let those existing member quit the fxking dirty game.

Because the truth that revealed here, i realized that losing RM30k is not the worse thing, it's NOT WORTH to let yourself from victim turns to accomplice, to sell your soul and heart to cheat you beloved friend and family, and let them getting to deeper hole and you getting to more deeper hole by bearing scary debt.

Now i finally make a decision and make withdraw, and i prepared i can't get back my money in the end.
And a little add on to tell:-
When i go to do withdrawal and asked the Mcocean manager when i can get back my money, he said it will return the 32% that Mcocean take after 30 working days, the remaining balance will ONLY return to me when all of my uplines got sales, they directly deduce from it and pass back to me
Then i asked if the worst case happen, my upline have not sales to let you guys deduce, what will happen that time, may i ask Mcocean return the remaing part to me? He said, oh~ it's none of Mcocean business anymore, from beginning joined the black&white clearly stated Mcocean only take 32%, 68% go to distributor. So if the worst case happened, the thing only can do it's just give a letter to request their return money, of course i still may personal go to ask those bunch of upline refund directly    .

Same feeling bro.   

Good add on, see this is how it works. When they recruited you (usually prospects are emotionally distracted due to certain soft points), and when this situation arise, Mcocean will claim that this is NONE of Mcocean's business, how ridiculous is that?  Because the founder or whoever related has designed this procedures in this "smart" way, which these are all related to legally approved and audited business operation matter. In bigger picture, it might seems unfair but quite undebatable, a.k.a loopholes.

Is there any possible way for you to get the "black&white" to be posted here? or maybe directly question the manager to provide it.

Just for your info.
They no longer TP at Viva Home.
It might be just the coffee session / private lesson after event.

New TP is Tuesday (Wisma Scope - Paparich & Starbucks) and Friday (Sunway Geo - Flower Girl)

Wednesday board game seems like very seldom go Jungle City in Kepong. Now more on Rendezvous in SS15.

Saturday 1pm till late is AR session at Publika.

Friday 11pm - 1am and Sunday 10am - 2pm / 1pm - 4pm, sports at Sunway Extreme park