ya, if you deposit to Mcocean, and more than 6 months, you have not chance to getting refunds anymore. Yup, even though did't take half of product.
when joined those KP already help you buy bunch of product, in their system WITHOUT your acknowledge and permission, you even don't know how much and what kind of product before you get it.
So if you didn't take half of the product, it's still under your name and stored on their warehouse.

Shady and sketchy way of conducting business without any transparency at all. Avoid at all cost, please!

Well, your friends statement is consistent with a lot of those members who shared their experience here. 👍👍

Dude.. I'm just so tired of talking to you man.. either your English suck or you are just trying to pick a fight with me.. do you even know what sarcasm means? Also.. trying to imitate how I talk? Are trying to be condescending?

And also I already mentioned before.. those that have screenshots please post it out and we can pool the money and start something.. READ THE WHOLE STATEMENT!!

You just totally ignored this and pick on me AGAIN! it's obvious you are avoiding what I say and only picking on how I say which is direct.. I apologise if you can't take the language. And the word fools or idiots doesn't means sarcasm.. it's a point of view, which I have connected it with my statement before I used the word.. do you even understand it?

Are you trying to be ignorant Or arrogant?

This post has been edited by LordXion: Aug 13 2018, 08:21 PM

Tell the truth, and the truth will set you free. I know the guilt is eating you from within but do not fret not worry as everyone makes mistakes and bad decisions in life at some point or another.

We all learn from each others mistakes, become wiser and move forward in life. I salute and respect you for finding the courage to speak out and share your experience.

Karma won't come for Persian Chia

the name so canggih...Persian Chia
As long got "waterfish" out there directly or indirectly..
Persian Chia will survive lo.

You will need our Government to be proactive to come down hard on this MLM tipu scheme lo.

Hopefully the new government will do something and take stern actions against all this MLM scam companies.

1st...MonSpace must die 1st...
then McOcean.....hahaha

That's the way ppl talk.

yup there are a lot of manipulation/ mind-confusing & diversionary tactics/ sweet talk or u can call it "lie", which they pass down from their trainings and then you will use these tactics to meet your prospects, lure them in using certain soft point and the cycle will repeat.

How about your loan sourcing? Did your KP "persuade" you to pay bribe? Hope there is a way to get evidence.

Through their normal prospecting and training activities definitely not able to get any kind of attention. There is no either hardcopy or softcopy learning materials for all these "knowledge", whatever important notes members usually note down using their own handwriting or into smartphone note pad, right?

The presentation slide also cannot prove any unlawful business operation.

My goodness, what a shocking revelation. I never expected that in a MLM business organization also encourages the practise and habit of paying bribes to their down lines. If for me, the moment I hear something unscrupulous like this, is the signal and sign to run far far away, especially since I am a rookie.

I think he is talking about bribing "out sourced bankers" and not downlines...

I won't mind getting bribe from them...

This post has been edited by LordXion: Aug 15 2018, 03:04 AM

Birds of the same feathers, flock together. All the same, 2x5, 5x2

If you have the time, stay awhile and read my post…

I am one of those members who was so badly brainwashed by Mc-Ocean that I became their pawn for 2 years. I even achieve the status of KP, and then I quit because I finally wake up and see that everything was a COMPLETE LIE.

When you reached a higher rank like CKP and then KP, only then many things start to surface out. Then you realised that YOU GOT SCAMMED, BADLY! But it is too late to escape now with so many active downlines under you and when you are a fulltimer (you need your downline to make money to survive).

Some lies that you will not be told about Mc Ocean during the “3 Stages of Filtration Process”:

1. The interview (1st stage) is a complete BS! – 100 ppl who goes there, 100 of them are invited to the office to see the Marketing Plan. Why? Because the Uplines are always desperate for income, I mean seriously DESPERATE. Many KPs and PPs never make money for months straight.

2. KPs make RM 20k – 100k every month, while PPs make RM 100k and above – This is the WORST lie I am forced to tell my downlines and others! In our Mc-Ocean monthly Income statements, our income was faked with a RM 20k boost. If I make RM 1k that month it will appear as RM 21k instead in my statement to "prove" that I made RM 20k EVERY MONTH.

In truth, many KPs makes less than RM 20k every YEAR. Why? Read No. 5.

3. If No.2 is correct, why so many KPs and PPs are driving BMW and Mercedes? BECAUSE THOSE CARS ARE NOT THEIRS, BUT A RENTAL. They just renew their rental every year.

During KP meetings, KPs are constantly pressured by the Princes (No name mentioned, just know 1 is an Indian man and the other 1 is a arrogant Chinese, both names start with “S”) to rent a fancy car to make yourself look “RICH & SUCCESSFUL”, so SPs will aspire to recruit more downlines and then you can increase your Sales.

4. A lot of KPs and CKPs and even PPs got to this position by buying SPs. Yes, I was 1 of them being conned by my upline to buy SPs to hit quota and get promoted. He told me that I should be KP fast by taking more Bank Loans and said that I can afford to pay them back with my RM 20k – 100k monthly income. In truth, your upline KP is even poorer than you, with hundred thousand to million ringgits of debts.

(Do not be deceived by the recent 2 PP that he is rich, both of them took out heavy loans to buy their KPs so they can be PPs)

5. Hidden cost in this biz – This is very technical and only those who are SP and above will understand what I am saying. In short, for those that haven’t join this scam and planned to, DON’T, JUST DON’T.

If you have attended the final session of the 3rd stage (aka MNU), which is called Y33. They will show you a “Financial Planning” which show how by just recruiting 1 person every month you can make 5 Figure Income as a SP. Let me just be frank, this is a complete lie because:

a) There is a maintenance cost of RM 1900 every month as a SP. Yeah, Mc-ocean will say it is “flexible”. But if you want to make money from your downline’s Sales, you must pay it 1st from your Pocket. Lets say you make RM 3400 of SP Generation Bonus on the month of July, by 31st of July you must buy RM 1900 worth of products only can you get your RM 3400 on 15th of August every month. So minus all the cost you actually only make:

RM 3400 – RM 1900 + RM 532 (a little rebate from your SP’s 33% rebate) = RM 2032 only

Logically, can you survive with this income every month as a fulltimer?

b) You can EITHER make money from your RECRUITMENT OR SPGB, not BOTH. This is the biggest lie that your upline KP will NEVER tell you unless it happened, and you question them.

Yes, this is true. Yes, let’s say you recruited 1 friend as SP and your friend recruited 2 friends as SP:

What Mc-Ocean KP will tell you in MNU:

Your income = RM 4000 (from your recruitment) + 2x RM 1700 (from your friend’s 2 friend) = RM 7,400

What actually you make:

Since RM 4000 > 2x RM 1700.

Mc- Ocean will ONLY give you RM 4000.

So far from the RM 10k, 20k & even 50k that they portray to you.


c) SP Generation can only last for 5 generations, NOT 10 as what was presented – You can only earn from your 6th to 10th Generation’s income when you recruited your 6th SP. What the upline KPs always say is you only need to recruit 5 person and you can make “Passive Income” for the rest of your life is just nonsense. If so, why the KPs now are so desperately recruiting for themselves? No money mah…


6. This is your own business, you can do it anytime, how you like as you please... ... MY ASS!

The truth is, KPs and above all have KPIs they have to meet every year, including 1 of them, having to suck up to their upline PP. If the PP dislike you then that is it, your KP/ PP position is at risk to be terminated due to not recommended to stay.

That is why the KPs are all obedient lap dogs of their upline PP, licking their balls wherever he goes. How different is Mc-Ocean to employment world, where you have a boss on top of you that boss you around?

Here is worse, because these upline PPs will make you do tell lies, cover up truths, destroy a certain member's network etc. And you cannot say NO, if you do then you are next in line to be terminated.



I see the forum is only talking about victims of RM 2k or losing their RM 35k. This can talk down new people from joining Mc- Ocean but it cannot convince many existing SPs to stop what their doing. I hope this insight can share a new light to the darker places of Mc-Ocean. All these lies are always not told to you or even your friend who introduced this biz to you.

When you start questioning your uplines, only then that KP will reluctantly “REVEAL” these revelation to you…

I was one of those being lied to again and again by my upline KP, who used my Trust, my Hopes and Dreams as a weapon against to make me run this business and make them richer.

Because of Mc-Ocean, I am drowned in RM 100,000 worth of debts and I have lost so many of my friend's and family trust towards me… I hope this can help to convince you, say NO to Mc-Ocean!

This post has been edited by Geek Goblin 123: Aug 29 2018, 04:00 PM

Sorry to hear about your bad experiences and all that you went through with Mc Ocean. It is still not too late to make a turn over for a fresh start.

Thank you for taking your time and effort to come up with such a detail and comprehensive write up about your experience and the company's modus operandi. May this be another eye opener and metaphor for the people out there not to venture into "Get Rich Schemes"!

Now this is really CRYSTAL CLEAR, about the hidden truth of mcocean's ugly mlm business practices.

Geek Goblin 123 by far you are the only ex KP revealing so much insights here. Can you advise us is there any valid proof / obvious business misconduct of mcocean and Steady Dynasty that you can find during your tenure there?

I know it's hard to have because all these business practices or scam is done by "Word-of-Mouth", thus very challenging to proceed to next level. I'm asking just in case there are some keyboard warriors simply accuse ppl making up stories or nonsensical statements here.

I am afraid I do not have, sorry.

That is why all Mc-Ocean Upline KPs and PPs are trained to scam through word of mouth.

I am sure many SPs are not aware of this until it happens to them, only then your KP be like "uh, ah, actually hor... " That was what actually happened to me when I questioned my upline KP. And I am expected to lie the same lie I am lied to to my downlines.

If you have any SP friend still in Mc-ocean, you can ask them are they aware of these things? I am sure a lot of them will say NO.

Understood. Thanks, it's so damn true, SPs who are aware of this would have quit to reduce further damage, the rest are just pity zombies trapped in this petty mlm world, know nothing about real business but just pitching the same stupid script hoping to lure new SP.

Do you have any insight about the loan sourcing?
You may refer this post by McoceanSatishCon in page 44: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=88464741

This post has been edited by Mr.World Weary: Aug 15 2018, 04:27 PM

My upline gave me a contact of this "Runner"/ "Banker" called Ramesh (His contact Number is: 010-2124251).

As per what @Mcoceansatishcon said, the following day, right after MNU. We are told by PP and Upline KP to do sourcing with those positive prospect immediately (they are now in a drugged stage of excitement, which the "fire" will die in 48 hours).

We will 1st go BNM to print the prospect's CCRIS then we will snap a photo to be sent to Ramesh. Then he will advise on what can be done, need or don't need to do adjust the CCRIS Score.

If needed to be done, we will bring the prospect to a Hong Leong Mach or RHB Bank (both are in Klang Area) whereby Ramesh and his gang will adjust the prospect's CCRIS score to get a maximum amount of loan from HL Mach, the balance his peers at RHB will loan. So in total they will make the prospect loan (RM 36,000 + 6% which is around RM 2160) = RM 38,160.

HL & RHB approved loan will take less than 1 hour to bank into the prospect's account. Once prospect get the loan approval SMS, KPs will ask prospect to withdraw RM 2160 to be given to Ramesh as commission.

Then the "Runner' job is done, the balance will bring prospect go to nearby bank to make Bank Drafts and then immediately buy products to "Seal the Deal".

At night will send you for training at SD Office to give you "confidence" to run the business.

A few things that PP and Upline KPs will teach you to do:

1. Be "nice" to new SPs for 6 months so they will not withdraw.
2. All SP must buy the water filter and must install as soon as possible. So if they withdraw they cannot return the water filter. Reduce the refund needed to return by uplines when a SP withdraw.
3. SPs are our "money making machines", so no matter what must make them pay up RM 35k to become a SP.

That is how Mc-Ocean Practices the brainwash. Keeping you high in excitement so you blindly do as the KPs say, without knowing that you are already in a scam.