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post Jun 23 2012, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(FishnChipx @ Jun 23 2012, 10:51 PM)
just went to machine at sunway pyramid have a look on the retina mbp... the size is very very sexy ~ but when open some apps, it feels abit delay sad.gif duno is that normal or they have alot background running ? .. hmm..
btw, their spec is the 2.3ghz with 8gbram
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impossible slow, maybe because of deep freeze.
or maybe you're expecting it to be super fast tongue.gif
i did try to restart the mac that day before running apps, seems quick
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post Jun 23 2012, 11:28 PM

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wanna ask, i add pictures from my folder into iphoto app, but i am wondering if i delete the pictures from iphoto, will it also delete the actual photo in the folder?? tried but not sure
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post Jun 23 2012, 11:28 PM

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loving my retina mac. everyday must wipe it shiny shiny biggrin.gif!
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post Jun 23 2012, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(FishnChipx @ Jun 23 2012, 10:51 PM)
just went to machine at sunway pyramid have a look on the retina mbp... the size is very very sexy ~ but when open some apps, it feels abit delay sad.gif duno is that normal or they have alot background running ? .. hmm..
btw, their spec is the 2.3ghz with 8gbram
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Opening a non-retina app?
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post Jun 23 2012, 11:41 PM

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i am open clicking the iphoto, let say when click it, have to wait 0.5 sec to see the iphoto icon jumping, then wait awhile more only open lol. and also when wana put to full screen, pressing the two arrow at the top right there also need to wait around 0.5 - 1 sec only will expand ==' but i try the normal mbp next to it, everything is smooth lol
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post Jun 23 2012, 11:50 PM

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my new MBP 2012 13", every 1 - 3 days it will hang by itself.

just normal surfing.. mp3.. outlook..fb..then suddenly the mp3 song will keep repeating from previous 1 second and mouse cant move at all.

the error message as below
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


anyone hv any idea what is wrong with it pls!
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Think that was because of unoptimized apps ...think ml will makes it better

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nex...-display-review

this review is till date the best review
check it out haters and fans
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post Jun 24 2012, 12:09 AM

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heard many flaws from Lion rMBP, I will hold on until mountain lion release to buy one as my uni start in end of july rclxms.gif
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post Jun 24 2012, 12:11 AM

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confirm got flaws man. few times my mbp froze and i had to shut it off by holding the power button.
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post Jun 24 2012, 12:14 AM

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rMBP should ship with ML around august earliest, it took a long time for Lion to come preinstalled with last year's MBP after it was released.
around 2 months :s
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post Jun 24 2012, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(Xirality @ Jun 24 2012, 12:09 AM)
heard many flaws from Lion rMBP, I will hold on until mountain lion release to buy one as my uni start in end of july  rclxms.gif
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If you buy any MBP now, you are entitled to get Mountain Lion for free when it is released.
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QUOTE(Heero Yuy @ Jun 24 2012, 12:51 AM)
If you buy any MBP now, you are entitled to get Mountain Lion for free when it is released.
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any Mac to be precise
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QUOTE(liwei92 @ Jun 23 2012, 11:52 PM)
Think that was because of unoptimized apps ...think ml will makes it better

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nex...-display-review

this review is till date the best review
check it out haters and fans
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This part of his review I generally agree with:

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To be quite honest, the hardware in the rMBP isn’t enough to deliver a consistently smooth experience across all applications. At 2880 x 1800 most interactions are smooth but things like zooming windows or scrolling on certain web pages is clearly sub-30fps. At the higher scaled resolutions, since the GPU has to render as much as 9.2MP, even UI performance can be sluggish. There’s simply nothing that can be done at this point - Apple is pushing the limits of the hardware we have available today, far beyond what any other OEM has done. Future iterations of the Retina Display MacBook Pro will have faster hardware with embedded DRAM that will help mitigate this problem. But there are other limitations: many elements of screen drawing are still done on the CPU, and as largely serial architectures their ability to scale performance with dramatically higher resolutions is limited.

Some elements of drawing in Safari for example aren’t handled by the GPU. Quickly scrolling up and down on the AnandTech home page will peg one of the four IVB cores in the rMBP at 100%.

The GPU has an easy time with its part of the process but the CPU’s workload is borderline too much for a single core to handle. Throw a more complex website at it and things get bad quickly. Facebook combines a lot of compressed images with text - every single image is decompressed on the CPU before being handed off to the GPU. Combine that with other elements that are processed on the CPU and you get a recipe for choppy scrolling.

To quantify exactly what I was seeing I measured frame rate while scrolling as quickly as possible through my Facebook news feed in Safari on the rMBP as well as my 2011 15-inch High Res MacBook Pro. While last year’s MBP delivered anywhere from 46 - 60 fps during this test, the rMBP hovered around 20 fps (18 - 24 fps was the typical range).

Remember at 2880 x 1800 there are simply more pixels to push and more work to be done by both the CPU and the GPU. It’s even worse in those applications that have higher quality assets, the CPU now has to decode images at 4x the resolution of what it’s used to. Future CPUs will take this added workload into account, but it’ll take time to get there.

The good news is Mountain Lion provides some relief. At WWDC Apple mentioned the next version of Safari is ridiculously fast, but it wasn’t specific about why. It turns out that Safari leverages Core Animation in Mountain Lion and more GPU accelerated as a result. Facebook is still a challenge because of the mixture of CPU decoded images and a standard web page, but the experience is a bit better. Repeating the same test as above I measured anywhere from 20 - 30 fps while scrolling through Facebook on ML’s Safari.

Whereas I would consider the rMBP experience under Lion to be borderline unacceptable, everything is significantly better under Mountain Lion. Don’t expect buttery smoothness across the board, you’re still asking a lot of the CPU and GPU, but it’s a lot better.


Logical and common sensical conclusion out of the need to drive that much more pixels with what's on board. The question here is, where is your threshold as a potential buyer? If you're non-forgiving to a fault, then the non-Retina MBP is a more logical choice. If you're like me and willing to ride it out with them and see this issue handled in Mountain Lion, here is the reason MBP RD is for me. Sure, not butter smooth, my Air 11" wasn't either. I come from Air 11". Folks coming from MBP, iMacs and more powerful Mac ecosystem, may not like what they experience when it comes to "buttery-smoothness", but even the mighty Anand gave it the Editor's Award:

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It’s because all of this that I’m doing something I’ve never done before in an Apple review. We rarely give out Editor’s Choice awards at AnandTech, and I’m quite possibly the stingiest purveyor of them. I feel that being overly generous with awards diminishes their value. In this case, all of the effort Apple has put into bringing a Retina Display to the MacBook Pro is deserving of one.

I’m giving the MacBook Pro with Retina Display our bronze Editor’s Choice award. Making it the first Mac to ever receive one. It would have been a silver had the software story been even stronger (iWork, Mountain Lion, Office and Photoshop being ready at launch would have been a feat worth rewarding). And it would have been a gold had Apple been able to deliver all of that but without sacrificing end-user upgradability. Which brings me to my final point.

I accept the fact that current mobile memory and storage form factors preclude the creation of the thinnest and lightest form factors. But I would like to see Apple push for the creation of industry standard storage and memory form factors that wouldn’t hinder the design of notebooks like the Retina Display equipped Macbook Pro. Apple has already demonstrated that it has significant pull with component vendors, this should be possible. The motivation behind doing so is no different from the motivation driving the use of Retina Displays: for the betterment of the end user experience.
Not without its fault, but not faults that's overblown out of proportion like some of the sneaky ones here try to portray it. If you don't trust my take on it, trust Anand's. And he's the pickiest when it comes to exposing hardwares at fault.

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QUOTE(Eidilfitrix @ Jun 23 2012, 11:49 PM)
Okay thanks, it's good to have honest feedbacks smile.gif

not like other forummers where they bought a new RMBP, all the feedbacks they gave is just pure bias and can't stop complimenting their beloved product as if it doesnt have any single flaw. No offence  rolleyes.gif
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+1 rclxms.gif Agreed!


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post Jun 24 2012, 05:46 AM

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QUOTE(skyther @ Jun 24 2012, 03:44 AM)
Sounds like anyone who has an opinion different from yours is, by default, a troll?

No offence btw. icon_rolleyes.gif

PS. I think RMBP is the greatest laptop in the world. Literally. Except scrolling in Safari is a joke. But I guess Mountain Lion will fix that. I guess it's common practice for most companies to use early adopters as lab rats.
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whats wrong with Safari scrolling?
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post Jun 24 2012, 06:48 AM

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Tht dude moans a lot because he thought he spend on something which he thought the greatest laptop Apple has ever made and which he had in mind had no flaws with it.

All he does here was just posting how good and excellent the wallpapers looked like, which doesn't contribute much to my point of view of having the rMBP.

Let's run down the apps and scrutinize how the software really works with the rMBP.

He's like "hey i just bought a new car, look how good it looks, but he didn't really mention much on how good and reliable the performance of the car"

Do you get what i mean? rolleyes.gif
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Hi, I have been reading the discussion above.
It's mentioned that MBP RD can only achieve 20 to 30frame rate compared to non RD MBP at 48-60frame per second.... Does it happen only if you are using the highest display resolution?
Do you have this issue if you run your MBP RD at the Best For Retina Display resolution.?
Thanks

It's quite disheartening to read that non Retina Display MBP is better then the RD MBP

Thanks for feedback.

I'm new to MBP and I'm planning to book one in July or August. Hope to make the right decision whether to go for RD or not

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QUOTE(erymanthus @ Jun 24 2012, 07:27 AM)
Hi, I have been reading the discussion above.
It's mentioned that MBP RD can only achieve 20 to 30frame rate compared to non RD MBP at 48-60frame per second.... Does it happen only if you are using the highest display resolution?
Do you have this issue if you run your MBP RD at the Best For Retina Display resolution.?
Thanks

It's quite disheartening to read that non Retina Display MBP is better then the RD MBP

Thanks for feedback.

I'm new to MBP and I'm planning to book one in July or August. Hope to make the right decision whether to go for RD or not
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If you would have read it 2nd time, you will came across that current Lion apps does not optimize for rMBP yet and therefore, waiting for ML to release will be better choice where most software will be optimized for rMBP if you still undecided.

Also, due to the super high crank resolution on rMBP in which overload the CPU & GPU work. and as pointed out by @stringfellow.
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Remember at 2880 x 1800 there are simply more pixels to push and more work to be done by both the CPU and the GPU. It’s even worse in those applications that have higher quality assets, the CPU now has to decode images at 4x the resolution of what it’s used to. Future CPUs will take this added workload into account, but it’ll take time to get there.


and mind you, we are talking about two different resolution here in which 1440x900/1680x1050 MBP vs 2880x1800 rMBP. If you have some gaming experience, you will notice how taxing is it to your CPU/GPU(mostly) when playing in the resolution from 1440x900 to 2560x1440.

though it's juz disappointment in the beginning due to unoptimized software at release for the new machine, i dun think Apple will let this new rMBP flop as it is their latest tech.
else, juz wait for next year in which Intel will have a revolutionary chip - Haswell. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Eidilfitrix @ Jun 24 2012, 06:48 AM)
Tht dude moans a lot because he thought he spend on something which he thought the greatest laptop Apple has ever made and which he had in mind had no flaws with it.

All he does here was just posting how good and excellent the wallpapers looked like, which doesn't contribute much to my point of view of having the rMBP.

Let's run down the apps and scrutinize how the software really works with the rMBP.

He's like "hey i just bought a new car, look how good it looks, but he didn't really mention much on how good and reliable the performance of the car"

Do you get what i mean?  rolleyes.gif
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+1 rclxms.gif

Not EVERYONE has a RDMBP yet, those who do, good. But we want to discuss about it and its pros and cons. Not see the wallpapers and videos and it supports. Because that's not the only thing thats going to judge weather we buy it or not.

But some are just excited with their new toy I guess.
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read many reviews, but I'm really confused.
Apple added four times the pixels, but why does it still shrink when its at 2880x1800? :s
shouldn't the icon have more detail?
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