Yup exactly. You get what i mean

The non-Retina has to push only 1440x900, Retina has to push 4 times of that, while still keeping things coherent on the UI and the background processes. Pushing 4 times the numbers of pixels isn't an easy feat.

That framerate mentioned was Safari scrolling, not the UI elements in Lion. And it is scrolling at 1440x900 sampled at 2880x1800. I do not have issues running at "Best For Retina", the problem gets more evident at 1680x1050 or the 1920x1200 sampled, because as how Anand describes it, these resolution are doubled (3360x2100 and 3840x2400, way beyond the Retina's 2880x1800) and then down sampled back to 2880x1800 into the native Retina resolution. Sampling at these scaled resolution will always take a performance hit.

He also mention, as how I've mentioned earlier as well, that Mountain Lion will take advantage of the hardware, using Core Animation processes, and speeds up this lag in Lion. Lion do not take advantage of this, hence therefore you see hi mentioning that even scrolling in Safari around will shoot up one of the 4 IVB cores to 100%.

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Added on June 24, 2012, 12:47 pmHiDPI. Read what Anand has to say in in his review. Apple does not expose that resolution because it is not workable at that resolution unless you have super eagle eyes. Simple test,go to you notebook run now, run though all the supported resolution and see how the UI elements behave. They will shrink.

Apple adds more pixels, yes that is current. But The space they're residing does not increase, instead they're densely packed.

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Added on June 24, 2012, 12:52 pmThen come on over, test mine. I have pro apps like Adobe CS6 running, Extended version of Photoshop or Premiere Extended, Lightroom 3.3 just recently updated to Retina, FCPX for video, and Chrome Canary, dev channel Chrome browser supporting Retina but uses its own rendering engine, Sound quality wise, I've Fidelia FHX to test. Diablo 3, StarCraft 2 and Portal 2 if you game. That should've been a clue when you bother looking at the screenshots I posted.

The least I can do compared to troll-baiters who have nothing to contribute other than posting single one-liners of his Kopitiam-style posts.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 24 2012, 12:54 PM

understand it now, thanks for your explanation.
this won't stop me from my purchase.
will use it at 1440x900 resolution until ML is released.
many bought it for the display, but I'm not buying it for the display, so it doesn't seem to be a set back for me
only receiving my rMBP this coming week

Anyone tried installing windows on rmbp?

Lol, kopitiam style single line post? Dude, you're only a Pilot. You don't even have any contacts of your MDs. Kids and their toys, active on the net but not verbally.

Oh wait, now he's talking about performance wise? Well it's about time. I thought he wasn't going to stop with his boastful high res wallpapers lol. If he's stating that he has all of those, we are more than welcome for him to put them to test, not just saying "Hey, my car can go 300km/h". Everyone can talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

This post has been edited by Eidilfitrix: Jun 24 2012, 01:22 PM

Last checked, Windows Bootcamp drivers aren't available yet. Particularly display drivers. Maybe things has changed since then.

Gonna be a better person and not feed the troll. Oh hey, I see someone reported this post earlier than I am, thanks whoever you are. Let's get back on track.

Just for kicks though:



This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 24 2012, 01:32 PM

Sorry for asking....wat is MDs?...medical degrees...medical devices?..mat despatches?....
In another world....just bought the new MBA 13 inch...seems to be lot faster compared to my old mba...

SATA 3 6Gbps flash storage helps. Proprietary connectors though. Not to mention IVB. 4 or 8GB? I still miss my old MBA form factor.

bro, this is already full scale at best retina right?

Anyone interested to test drive the apps mentioned in the spoilered screenshot, welcomed to do so. I'm heading to this audiophile meet now, and will be there probably until late.

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Added on June 24, 2012, 1:40 pmYup. Download the image and you'll see from the file info that it is 2880x1800. The difference is, in "Best for Retina" display settings, the UI element take the size of 1440x900 elements. The text size, the icon sizes are all the size you'll see from a 1440x900 UI behavior.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 24 2012, 01:41 PM

to what degree does said poster actually owe the rest of us a thorough review of his said new toy, though? to my understanding he purchased it using his own cash and was not given one by apple for the sole purpose of scrutinization for the benefit of the general consumer.

would you purchase a car, and then jump straight into mentioning it's flaws (which by virtue of being human i'm sure you'd overlook as well - not a fortnight into purchase while the buzz is still there) before sharing the pros?

there's good bantering but it requires some finesse and you're sorely mistaken if you think you're providing just that for the readers here.

to what extend do those that have owe the have not's anything? interested in a full fledge review? common sense would've directed me to an actual review site. shrugs*

Oh did I hurt your feelings? It's funny how a simple post could affect your feelings. This is an open forum, where everyone are welcomed to discuss and has their own opinions. Just because I'm not on the same page as you are, and you're offended to what I've said.

If I have offended, it means that what I've said must have been true somehow or the other way around. What moderators can do? Delete the post? I didn't do anything wrong to be exact, what I did was to voice out my opinion which oppose yours.

Stop being arrogant and ignorant, just because you just bought yourself a Macbook Pro lol.

okay, so in which setting does the Safari scrolling lags?

This post has been edited by BRY7: Jun 24 2012, 01:44 PM

Not evident on the "Best for Retina" settings, as far as I can see. More noticeable on the higher 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 because of the nature of Apple's sampling engine, AND the fact that it doesn't take advantage of Core Animation hardware.

Got the 4gb...well...this is my portable laptop anyways...used specifically for powerpoint presentation and word documents...so 8gb is too overpowered for me...oh ya....does macs have any app to convert any documents formats to pdf? Like windows got this program called cute pdf writer? Any help will be much appreciated...

Preview does it. Any text editing app in Mac OS X IIANM, has the "save as PDF" feature built into them. That's how I converted my monthly work roster to PDF for viewing on my iPhone/iPad.

now i truly understand why the display unit at KLCC didn't catch my eyes at all, its at Best for Retina setting and the wallpaper is the standard Andromeda Galaxy.
nonetheless, high resolution screen just seem to be a bonus for me.
not really important
flash architecture and redesigned body is the main reason I'm purchasing

open the file (or files) you wish to convert into pdf in preview, (ctrl+a if you wish to combine all open files into a single pdf) and press cmd+p and do these steps

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Those on the fence, I'd say stay until Mountain Lion. If it fixes the lag or if it annoys you that much, then go for non-Retina MBP or MBA. I'm just sick of being stuck in the 1920x res for more than 10 years already on portable computers. Apple pushing this forward means other manufacturers (read: PC) now have to step up and do comparably similar or get left out. It's the race to the bottom when it comes to PCs (whoever supplies the cheapest with whatever standards acceptable to general public, wins), and I'm glad that with the MBA, companies like Asus has stepped up with their Asus ZenBook Prime. Otherwise there won't be any motivation to improve display user experience.

Thanks..what I meant actually is a virtual printer apps whereby when you select this as a default printer...it will convert the output automatically into pdf doc...does mac have those apps? thanks in advance.

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Added on June 24, 2012, 1:58 pmThanks...

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