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Zelda85
post Jun 20 2012, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 20 2012, 10:23 AM)
DPS is not as important as survivability though. Did Diablo inferno with only 17k dps.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Show me you eq hmm.gif


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QUOTE(Dinodino123 @ Jun 20 2012, 10:54 AM)
i dunno how to post pic ere...
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Try print screen your eq and stat.
save it on paint save as jpeg, size should be smaller.
Upload @ here http://imageshack.us/
copy paste the link here.

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gaeria84
post Jun 20 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 20 2012, 10:28 AM)
Try that again. Hear he has enrage timer now lol
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I did him last night. No enrage timer. Only thing worth noting is that now:

- You can't cheese shadow clones anymore, they don't despawn now
- You can't cheese the fight by trying to get Diablo stuck in his bone cages or a map corner
- Getting stuck in bone cages will definitely kill you
- He casts more often in P3

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post Jun 20 2012, 11:31 AM

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Sigh.. This is the 3rd nerf I get for my Wiz build.
Before nerf my Damage: 62300.7..
Now, I dont even dare to login to see..
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post Jun 20 2012, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 20 2012, 11:29 AM)
I did him last night. No enrage timer. Only thing worth noting is that now:

- You can't cheese shadow clones anymore, they don't despawn now
- You can't cheese the fight by trying to get Diablo stuck in his bone cages or a map corner
- Getting stuck in bone cages will definitely kill you
- He casts more often in P3
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Can you post your stat and item that you equip now.
would like to compare and learn what is best/Ok for wiz to go in inferno final stage - fighthing diablo hmm.gif
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post Jun 20 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 20 2012, 11:29 AM)
I did him last night. No enrage timer. Only thing worth noting is that now:

- You can't cheese shadow clones anymore, they don't despawn now
- You can't cheese the fight by trying to get Diablo stuck in his bone cages or a map corner
- Getting stuck in bone cages will definitely kill you
- He casts more often in P3
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Wow you DID Leah come Diablo huh last night. Score! brows.gif

Confirm no enrage timer post nerf? Oh then quite the easy still, haha

QUOTE(Zelda85 @ Jun 20 2012, 11:34 AM)
Can you post your stat and item that you equip now.
would like to compare and learn what is best/Ok for wiz to go in inferno final stage - fighthing diablo  hmm.gif
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Any balance between damage and some extra hp would be good, resists won't kill (though u can just use force armor).

Assuming he has no enrage timer, Diablo is then still very do-able for wiz. I mean, look at the HC clear of kripp and krippi. The wiz (krippi) had like 20k dps rofl
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post Jun 20 2012, 12:04 PM

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For my wizard, inferno Belial is by far the hardest boss. Azmodan and Diablo have similar difficulty, however Diablo is actually easier depending on what tactic you employ.

Differences between pre and post patch 1.0.3
- I did Diablo both pre & post patch 1.0.3, both are doable with the proper tactic
- No noticeable difference for me, except that Diablo has improved pathing now (doesn't get stuck as often) and shadow clones don't despawn now
- His spells still oneshot you if you are not careful

The build that I used: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;afd!cZZabY

The only thing that hard about Diablo are the shadow clones, most of his other stuff you can dodge and avoid using line of sight.

For wiz, shadow clones come in 3 flavors (in order of difficulty)

1) Arcane Orb + Venom Hydra clone - IMO, hardest and most dangerous shadow clone by far, can easily oneshot you with arcane orb (even in patch 1.0.3)
2) Shock Pulse + Meteor + Frost Nova clone - Second hardest, really take the time to avoid meteor as it is capable of oneshot. I got a huge scare last night as I got frost nova-ed and Diablo and meteor was on me at the same time.
3) Energy Twister + Teleport - Easiest clone

For guides, I really recommend this vid



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post Jun 20 2012, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 20 2012, 12:04 PM)
For my wizard, inferno Belial is by far the hardest boss. Azmodan and Diablo have similar difficulty, however Diablo is actually easier depending on what tactic you employ.

Differences between pre and post patch 1.0.3
- I did Diablo both pre & post patch 1.0.3, both are doable with the proper tactic
- No noticeable difference for me, except that Diablo has improved pathing now (doesn't get stuck as often) and shadow clones don't despawn now
- His spells still oneshot you if you are not careful

The build that I used: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;afd!cZZabY

The only thing that hard about Diablo are the shadow clones, most of his other stuff you can dodge and avoid using line of sight.

For wiz, shadow clones come in 3 flavors (in order of difficulty)

1) Arcane Orb + Venom Hydra clone - IMO, hardest and most dangerous shadow clone by far, can easily oneshot you with arcane orb (even in patch 1.0.3)
2) Shock Pulse + Meteor + Frost Nova clone - Second hardest, really take the time to avoid meteor as it is capable of oneshot. I got a huge scare last night as I got frost nova-ed and Diablo and meteor was on me at the same time.
3) Energy Twister + Teleport - Easiest clone

For guides, I really recommend this vid
Yeah arcane orb clones are verily annoying.

That's pretty much standard Diablo build, with the variable being the mirror image one. I personally use wave of force, while I see you use diamond skin.
Wave of force knocks back spells, so I use it now and then to knockback his fire majigies where I get careless and know I can't side step it. And also to knock clones away right when they spawn, so I can kite around.

Just adding input for those wiz who wanna try Diablo biggrin.gif
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post Jun 20 2012, 12:25 PM

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Which is better, Teleport Fracture or Diamond Skin Crystal Shell? I dropped Diamond for teleport because 21k damage absorption is nothing when inferno mobs hit like a truck

But teleport is..... buggy. Sometimes when I try to teleport away I end up in the exact same location.

Which will give me more survivability in the long run?
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post Jun 20 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 20 2012, 12:04 PM)
For my wizard, inferno Belial is by far the hardest boss. Azmodan and Diablo have similar difficulty, however Diablo is actually easier depending on what tactic you employ.

Differences between pre and post patch 1.0.3
- I did Diablo both pre & post patch 1.0.3, both are doable with the proper tactic
- No noticeable difference for me, except that Diablo has improved pathing now (doesn't get stuck as often) and shadow clones don't despawn now
- His spells still oneshot you if you are not careful

The build that I used: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...;afd!cZZabY

The only thing that hard about Diablo are the shadow clones, most of his other stuff you can dodge and avoid using line of sight.

For wiz, shadow clones come in 3 flavors (in order of difficulty)

1) Arcane Orb + Venom Hydra clone - IMO, hardest and most dangerous shadow clone by far, can easily oneshot you with arcane orb (even in patch 1.0.3)
2) Shock Pulse + Meteor + Frost Nova clone - Second hardest, really take the time to avoid meteor as it is capable of oneshot. I got a huge scare last night as I got frost nova-ed and Diablo and meteor was on me at the same time.
3) Energy Twister + Teleport - Easiest clone

For guides, I really recommend this vid


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It is a very detail guide . Thanks.
If we can see what eq you are wearing it would be best biggrin.gif.
You know picture speak mor thand thousand words biggrin.gif
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post Jun 20 2012, 03:48 PM

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i like this patch... so eager to play tonite lololol


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post Jun 20 2012, 04:35 PM

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^ same same very happy with this patch i cant wait to go back later and face tank everything and hunt for item lvl63 stuffs!
have reports of some friends being able to tank up to act 4 with 8000 armor and 800 resist and some life on hit. finally lah inferno act 4 here i come.
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S> forging service for 6 properties wand

Full mats of yours + fees to forge = 35k each

Mats 40 exquisite essence, 5 iridiscent tears, 12 tome of secrets + 119,340 gold
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post Jun 20 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 17 2012, 02:36 PM)
Ish so jelly with your oculus lol.

Eh can equip, go your menu, and take screenshot of your page? Wanna see big big how it looks like holding it tongue.gif
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sorry forgot about this that day tongue.gif

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post Jun 21 2012, 01:49 AM

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OMG, my poor wizard left with 26k dmg... tried inferno act 1 just now, normal mobs/ champion/ elite still ok. as soon as i met any fast runner, gone case.

aaaaaaaaaaargh not fun anymore! how in the world u guys got those ultra godly weapon !??!? I got only 2 low lever legendary drop since the day i start playing D3 !
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post Jun 21 2012, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(Szzz @ Jun 20 2012, 09:03 PM)
sorry forgot about this that day tongue.gif
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Waaaaa no fren you. Imba dmg/stats and can look so good cry.gif
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post Jun 21 2012, 10:17 AM

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Just wondering, anyone playing Melee build wizard?

I just lvled a Wizard to lv60 yesterday . Tried melee build quite successful in act1 inferno so far.
Can facetank most elites with no prob except anything with Nightmare fear buff.

Should i continue and invest on Wizard tank gear or play the conventional old run and kite wizard?
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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Jun 21 2012, 10:17 AM)
Just wondering, anyone playing Melee build wizard?

I just lvled a Wizard to lv60 yesterday . Tried melee build quite successful in act1 inferno so far.
Can facetank most elites with no prob except anything with Nightmare fear buff.

Should i continue and invest on Wizard tank gear or play the conventional old run and kite wizard?
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yes good for public games because u will be more awesome than barbs and monks.

bad for single player because dps sux... u will fall asleep wacking creeps.

I switched from kiting to melee and so far good choice for public games where your team mates are DH or glass canon wizards. with sup par gear can survive act 2 ad well... not sure about further acts but should be.no problem based on online comments
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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 21 2012, 01:55 AM)
Waaaaa no fren you. Imba dmg/stats and can look so good  cry.gif
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my gear isn't that good now
38k dps (with magic weap / glass cannon)
20k hp, 400 res
20 arcane per crit <-- i can spam arcane orb with tap the source if im aoeing large mobs
~30% crit chance + 8% arcane orb chance crit
~3k LoK <-- need to change this sweat.gif was busy abusing hydra pre 1.03 lol

need a new 1h weap...only 870 dmg atm...

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post Jun 21 2012, 01:02 PM

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anybody managed to kill inferno diablo? seems very hard
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QUOTE(Szzz @ Jun 21 2012, 12:53 PM)
my gear isn't that good now
38k dps (with magic weap / glass cannon)
20k hp, 400 res
20 arcane per crit  <-- i can spam arcane orb with tap the source if im aoeing large mobs
~30% crit chance + 8% arcane orb chance crit
~3k LoK <-- need to change this sweat.gif was busy abusing hydra pre 1.03 lol

need a new 1h weap...only 870 dmg atm...
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I found that the best way to spam aoe spell is put blizzard as your right click with the rune 'snow bound' which reduce the arcane power required. longer duration for large area of effect, high dmg somemore. can easily kill whole bunch of normal mobs without your main spell. (somemore can slow them down!!!)

But ofcourse, if encounter those super fast moving champion then sorry...

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