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post May 21 2012, 11:16 AM

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Hi guys, wanna share my current build for Co-op Inferno. I feel its pretty decent and balanced, able to survive + dish out dmg

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Any thoughts? Realized most of my spells are defensive tongue.gif. Might be more aggressive when i get better armors.
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post May 21 2012, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Zelda85 @ May 21 2012, 12:24 PM)
i would like to know what is a decent armor build for Hell & inferno. Need at least how much DPS to easy kill mobs or how much armor&HP to survide. What is the best EQ selection. Anyone can answer me?
Currently i am in nightmare act 4-level 48
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Inferno around 10k dps. My stats atm is ~30k hp, ~3.5k armor(i think), ~10k dps. Still can improve much more. Most of my sockets are mostly + HP
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post May 21 2012, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(phoenixxx @ May 21 2012, 01:52 PM)
i'm in act 2 of hell and have around 2.5k armor (with buff), 7+k dps and around 16k hp.

getting pwned like mad. i've tried various builds including low vit + force armor but doesnt seem to work, usually takes a number of death + marathon around the map to kill 1 pack of elites.

vampiric / mortar melee mobs basically forces me to skip
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very low vit + force armor + super high regen works best in inferno, but i'm not really fond of going that build due to dying to everything that AoEs

care to share your skill build?
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post May 21 2012, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(phoenixxx @ May 21 2012, 02:02 PM)
This is my build (currently trying arcane regen + spam orb). Previously was magic missile w seeker

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wiza...3;Xfc!YccbY

I use elective mode so the last slot is a Magic weap with force weapon.
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i like arcane spam build as well...in hell solo i usually go with Magic Missile + Charge Blast and Arcane Orb + Tap the Source...with TTS i can actually cast it almost all the time
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post May 21 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Zelda85 @ May 21 2012, 03:03 PM)
I would like to see what is the EQ you wearing  drool.gif
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its not much really tongue.gif..just got into Inferno yesterday..still in the midst of pumping up

QUOTE(j-insigh @ May 21 2012, 03:14 PM)
I still the AoE effects of Wave of force  is kinda good for us to save our ass when we got surrounded by sudden gangbangs lol
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The problem is, not enough skillbar lol...if have to choose between Diamond Skin, Teleport, Mirror Image and WoF...I'd take Teleport
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post May 22 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ May 22 2012, 08:22 AM)
For Inferno you should all be using the highest DAMAGE weapon you can find. Not DPS, DAMAGE.

90% of your time will be spent running away and kiting while using Hydra, so weapon speed is irrelevant to any build.

Obvious things to have: Intelligence, Life Regeneration, Movement Speed

The last one is quite underrated and is arguably the most valuable of all stats in the game for Inferno.
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basically this...im beginning to swap out hp/vit/armor for damage...and atk speed is useless

I'm using blizz + hydra...seems to work the best
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post May 22 2012, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ May 22 2012, 12:15 PM)
got no idea why everybody is saying atk spd is useless, damage calculation is including atk spd, and atk spd multiply ur dmg more thn int can do, just compare ur damage whenever u get a +10% atk spd ring with int ring
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thats because in inferno, u will not have a chance to utilize that attack speed...99% of the time u will be shooting 1 time, run, repeat
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post May 22 2012, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ May 22 2012, 02:22 PM)
i pretty sure it will, unless u confirm the damage display on our character menu will not affect our spell dmg (atk spd do affect ur dmg display on character menu)
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wrong, DPS factors in attack speed and crits, but logically you cant use DPS as your actual damage because most of the time, especially in inferno mode, you wont be spending the entire second damaging.

QUOTE(Xenn @ May 22 2012, 03:31 PM)
just put it in this way.
if you put 1 100 int ring, then the damage number that you actually do to a monster per hit = 100% more of base dmg.
if you put 1 10% atk spd ring, the damage number you do to a monster per hit is the same, but you atk 10% faster.

if you have high base dmg and low atk spd, atk spd adds more to dps and vice versa.
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correct. To further prove this, heres a video from youtube.


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post May 22 2012, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Xenn @ May 22 2012, 03:44 PM)
anyone try if atk spd also affects hydra's atk spd?
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nope...only affects how fast you cast the spell...which is pointless...same goes for other DoT spells (Blizzard, Poison etc). The 'tick' doesn't go faster
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post May 22 2012, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Tulipness @ May 22 2012, 04:17 PM)
so our dps would be higher according to our weapon's dps or our overall intel? i thought if we have higher intel, thus we'll have higher dps?
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QUOTE(shojikun @ May 22 2012, 04:20 PM)
the DPS is base on both you're weapon Damage and Intel, as for weapon slot is best to put in Ruby to increase the damage more, other slot stack up INT. smile.gif
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DPS also counts crit dmg, crit chance, attack speed.

To fully understand DPS, DPS = Damage Per Second, how much damage will u dish out per second (average of course).
BUT this is calculated by assuming you are casting the spell nonstop. In a real situation, you wont have time to stand there and just shoot. You will probably be kiting the mobs.
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post May 22 2012, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Nels @ May 22 2012, 05:33 PM)
ehh actually my left and right click is pretty messy tongue.gif

*note i priotize damage over anything. >_< sometimes I go crazy as to only have 6k Max HP even solo-ing in inferno. But that also depends on how fast I can react to magic attacks from mobs. Sometimes mobs does this crazy magic instantly and by the moment you realised it you already on the floor. - so I always bring my vit pair Armor + pants which give me additional 10k hp or more i forgot biggrin.gif

my left would be FrostHydra and right click would be blizzard + unreletting storm (more damage for blizzard - my kind of thing!)

1 - Energy Armor + Energy Tap (extra 20 arcane is definite welcome to me)
2 - Familiar + Sparkflint (like i said I priotize damage)
3 - Magic Weapon + Force Weapon (damage damage damage!)
4 - Diamond Skin + Crystal Shell ( without this runes Diamond Skin is pointless to me in inferno )

Passive - Cold Blooded (Reason for my Frost Hydra), Galvanizing Ward (the regen is much welcome), Astral Presence (again AP is like Wizardy life.)

So yeah After I use blizzard (increase damage by 20%) I use Hydra (to damage them) I then repeat this steps. Whenever the mobs reaching closer, I activate Diamond skin and walk through them - in the middle of that I drop a blizzard again and recast Hydra if necessary then went behind them. I repeat this back and forth until the mobs are all cleared.

Of course the trick here is to never get hit at all. Since I only have 6k hp lol. Even if we do get hit a little, there's this awesome regen every wiz know.

I wanted to try Venom hydra next. It sounds cool since it does dps overtime. How big is the pool anyway?
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You should try Force Armor + Diamond Skin since your vit is so low, its really overpowered atm. With force armor, the maximum dmg you can receive from a single blow is 6000hp * 35% = 2100 HP. Thats good but here's the killer part; Diamond Skin only absorbs the damage AFTER the force amor reduces the damage. This means with Diamond Skin, you can take about 10 hits from mobs before Diamond Skin breaks.

10 free hits...thats really alot
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post May 23 2012, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(fizyboy @ May 23 2012, 12:06 PM)
Below inferno level, spend all your money to buy good weapon..
Other than that, find rings/amulets with +Damage .. for everything else just stack up int..
Also don't forget to use Glass Canon + Familiar + Magic Weapon skills.

I'm lvl 38 and my damage is around 2k now... Using 2h weapon with 101 dps.. int 905..
Still a lot of room for improvement, using a crappy belt and havnt put topaz on some sockets, still a work in progress i guess..

I did some weapon shopping yesterday.. Bought a lvl 42 staff that has 261 max damage..  I believe this will pretty much double my damage output..
Also, can't wait to level to lvl 50, because I got extremely lucky to buy a crossbow with 477 dps for only 2.5k gold lol, which if I could equip now, would add extra +6~7k to my current damage output.. My damage will be decent pretty soon! biggrin.gif

Having no problem solo-ing nightmare but has low survivablity during party play.. I only have vit 133.. some elite and bosses could 1 hit me and down to the ground I goes x_x Tonight I wanna experiment the Energy Armor + Diamond Skin combo.. but I heard they secretly nerfed it recently.. damn havnt even got the chance to try it out sad.gif Anyone can confirm on this?
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I was trying it solo Act II Inferno yesterday....it's seriously broken..I'm sure they'll nerf it

I had trouble killing a particular elite mob pack and kept dying with 15k hp...at that point i decided to take out my armor (shoulder and belt added vit) and fought with 6k hp. They died in 1 try laugh.gif
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post May 23 2012, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(Nels @ May 23 2012, 08:52 PM)
nah i knw how to get it work already.

u need around 200-300 resist. with FA activate it works again.

well thats for me. cuz i was doing Leoric until the server restart I keep dieing 1 hit k.o from him no matter what build I use with FA on or off with 30k health or what still die.

Until I up my resistance.

Now I'm back to normal. gee. haih..
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u r right...at least force armor works now...diamond skin calculates damage correctly now it seems

EDIT: scratch that...i think diamond skin still works the same...its just that force armor isnt working 100% of the time

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post May 26 2012, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(Nels @ May 26 2012, 02:39 AM)
I don't know what build is viable now other then kitting and kitting...

I've tried Dodge build = phailed misereably. Tank build with resist over 500 hp 30k still pointless. Lightning build + paralysis + aspd = pointless.

Best build is still Vit + Resist + FA + Blizzard + Venom Hydra.

So to say I rest my Wizard starting today. Until I able to farm for a crazy set for my wiz or until blizzard is in good mood.

I'm going to make a Monk now.

So ya wizardy - annyeong!

Regards,
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i really don't know either...was playing with 10-12k hp with 1.1k hp regen per sec in Act 2...hard but at least I can make progress

up till Act 3...everything 1 hit me here 4k armor/200+ resist to all/28k hp
what build i play aso die in Act 3
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post May 26 2012, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ May 26 2012, 10:43 AM)
those who complain that wizard cant play at all in hell/inferno must be those who r forever alone? if u have two more company you wont have problem playing!
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i usually play with friends but only in act 1 inferno for farming....beyond that mobs become too strong....4 ppl party it bcomes too damn hard in act 3...1 white mob is like a boss
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post May 26 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Nels @ May 26 2012, 03:21 PM)
You need damage for Hell Act 3 my friend. What level are you? You can easily get 500 dps weapon at level 57+ or 800-1200dps weapon at level 60.

Just one arcane orb able to obliterate all the mobs. Even gold will die if you just use Diamond Armor (go for the first rune) and use arcane + signature constantly or just normal attack.

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So yeh just saying that..if your priotise is getting items over completing Inferno, put your wizard to rest now. That just me. But if you still want to go on and Solo wizard in inferno, go ahead. Its playable and it is definitely possible.  smile.gif
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i talking about act 3 inferno tongue.gif
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post May 27 2012, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ May 27 2012, 11:13 PM)
hmm any tips in surviving as a wiz in inferno? i usually play with a monk tanker but then i feel is quite hard for me to take some damage...sometimes i can get 1 shotted...which defensive stat is recommended in this case?

element resist? physical resist?

energy armor with which rune is preferable?
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every resist is a must..technically im still stuck at act 3...can hardly kill any elites here..have about 350 resist to all
i cant seem to swap out force armor too...without it ill be 1-2hitted
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post Jun 1 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(fizyboy @ Jun 1 2012, 11:22 AM)
When I play solo, I can easily keep my 5 stack of valor buff, even kill Butcher in my first try..
But when I join a party/group, its so freaking hard to kill one blue mob pack :-s
What am I doing wrong?

DPS 41k (without Flint)
HP 25k
VIT 750
Resist 150~188
Damage Reduction 38%

Should I reduce my DPS to up my defense or should I just solo and farm by myself for now?
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should be ur teammate weak lol...
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post Jun 16 2012, 12:50 AM

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Found a really good stats Oculus tongue.gif
don't know if i should sell it or not lol

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post Jun 17 2012, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 16 2012, 04:47 AM)
sell to me hahahahaha .
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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 16 2012, 09:47 AM)
Wah super jelly now notworthy.gif

How much u wanna sell for? tongue.gif
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been testing it out...really good thumbup.gif
don't think i wanna sell it out now

DPS almost 50k now rclxm9.gif

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