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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 16 2012, 12:23 AM

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A point to ponder - i read with much emotion, desperation, and sheer frustration, that Malaga is able to clinch 4th place in La Liga and qualify for CL, but what has transpired in Liverpool is pure question, question and question...sure Malaga is playing in Spain, but they achieved what their owner set-out early - that they need to spend smart, despite relatively modest investment by bringing in Toulalan, Demichelis, Baptista (flop from Arsenal) and Horseface...together with a young and enterprising coach Manuel Pellegrini, their achievement is something akin to wet dream for Reds fan...Unlike ManCiteh....their sheikh is relatively modest, shrewd in fact if i look at their control acquisition - Toulalan cost not more than 10 million euros...joris mathijsen for 2.2 million, Demichelis for 2.5 million +/- and Horseface for FREE.... Malaga is able to mould a team capable of challenging in La Liga...of course the domination will alwiz be Real or Barca, but it's nice and a tad more interesting for colourful team like Malaga to give them a run for their money...but the morale of the story is, Malaga need at least 2 season before they are able to clinch CL...they finished 11th before the current campaign. As much that I am dissapointed with our standing and in our signings, i really hope KD will be given his crack at the title next season...for i know that KD is absorbing all the pressure now..which is essential for rebuilding...i cant foresee another rookie manager to withstand what KD did and start a proper rebuilding...no way..even a veteran Hodgson cant outlive 6 months on the job. Having said this, also hope that FSG can make available substantial investment for KD, no point backing someone but have his hands tied..no?
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post May 16 2012, 12:33 AM

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im sad. we were going somewhere.

nevertheless, back to the old drawing board.


Added on May 16, 2012, 12:37 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
If Kenny does step down, here's a list of viable candidates.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/featur...es-and-m-172114?

Funny Martinez isn't there.
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I almost fell off my chair when i saw Carra biggrin.gif

To me its rafa, jose or bust.

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No official updates on KD's status?


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when everyone wanted rafa to leave, in came old woy and everyone cried...
if kenny leaves, no high profile manager will want to take the job...
tho i can think of one lower table manager who just got sacked recently in the form of alex mcleish...
let all your nightmares come true...
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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 16 2012, 12:55 AM)
when everyone wanted rafa to leave, in came old woy and everyone cried...
if kenny leaves, no high profile manager will want to take the job...
tho i can think of one lower table manager who just got sacked recently in the form of alex mcleish...
let all your nightmares come true...
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maybe guardiola got tired of winning and decided to come to Liverpool? lol

srsly KD made me so sad. I wanted to buy a jersey with his name on it earlier. i think i'll opt for carroll now hahaha
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 15 2012, 04:18 PM)
What's kenny's fault?

1)Narrowing his options to british players which has become irrelevant since early 90's.
Someone has to do it either way when the HG system come into force. KD took a bold move in implementing it first and now he gets the blame? Ouch

2)Practising favouritism with charlie adam.
Do tell me who else can we play in the middle with Gerrard out most of the time. Maxi playing in middle of the park? You must be kidding me. Henderson? We need a midfield general and being a general, you need experience. The prospect of Henderson and Spearing just wont work especially with Spearing so mistakes prone. And dont mention Shelvey, he was on loan before Adam got injured.

3)Failed plan to play henderson on the right wing ala ray houghton
Reminds me of those days Carra played everywhere from DM, RB to CB. Makes him a better player. Gerrard himself, played as DM, CM, RW, and even RB during early days too. At the end of the day, he is better at AM. All these switch helps to discover the best potential of the players. Versatility is also vital. See Valencia, Ferguson played him as RB!

4)Playing negative formation in the league too much. The 5-4-1 against stoke at anfield and the failed 4-5-1 formation with suarez as lone striker is a sight many times this season.
Argh, this...I mentioned before. People are forgetful. Isn't that the lineup, we played with 2 wingbacks the previous season where we whips in tonnes of goals? More strikers doesn't guaranteed you goals.Facts.

5)Blaming luck all the time instead of trying a different approach in tactics and training
''We'll keep doing what we have been doing all these and we'll get there with a wee bit of luck''-familiar mantra throughout the season.
Probably his management style? Of cos it will be stupid of him to bash the players in public? Eg: STUPID REINA FOR CONCEDING SO MUCH? Makes sense, no?

6)Insistence to play players on poor form and low in confidence.Charlie adam,stewart downing and henderson are undroppable.You can include reina and carragher if you like.

This I have to agree with you. He doesnt seem to trust the youngsters too much. Not sure why.

7)Failure to give the likes of kelly,doni and maxi time to play when he always talks about squad depth.
Kelly part is a bit hard isn't it especially when Glenny played pretty well throughout the season albeit one stupid backpass the other day. Doni doesnt grab his chances well when he was given one. No one but himself to blame. Maxi, hmm, not sure about him. His form seems on and off when he is on field. One thing disgust me about him is he tends to drop/fall at slightest touches in the penalty box. I however agree that he deserves more playtime.

8) The most important of all-failure to learn from most of the mistakes above by the end of the season.
I thought he learned? At least we din see spearing now. 


Good replies.

Its also silly to mention favourtism with Adam. Is he suppose to buy the player and sit him on the bench?
He did play pretty well with Lucas.
Then Rotu would be slagging him for victimisation like that point 7.
In a first season. a coach will be trying to suss out his players.
Aferall he would not know them that well.
You would expect lotsa travailing in such a transition season.
However having said that, we did not expect such a roller coaster of a season, and for it to end that badly.

The positives:

a) We played very good football at times. But failed to score inspite of dominating even top 4 teams.

b) We hit the poverbial woodwork more than 30 times this season! Thats says something about
our good play BUT for Lady Luck smiling, we would be up there. Kenny should have paid Lady Luck.

c) Bad Season started off with i) Lucas longterm injury
ii) Stevie and Agger's injuries
iii) Carroll lack of fitness
iv) Than the fiasco with Suarez

d) Additon: Oh...we are back in Europe* rclxm9.gif


If your spine has been thrown out of the door, surely the team will suffer. And suffer it did. Experimentation came in.
Some worked, some did not. Its in transistion.

My only case with Kenny was that he integrated too many NEW players into his team of last season too soon, too fast.

So my question to those Nay-ers again:

What do you suggest to FSG if the new manager fails in his first season?

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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...leverkusen-boss

Hyypia named as leverkusen boss!! Chances are slim but wat do u think if he is named as our boss should KD leave?
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Sounds much more like excuses than positives apart from the first one rolleyes.gif

Before i answer your question since i am Nay-er,modern fan,not ''true fan''

What makes you think in the first place that the manager will fail?
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Owner afraid fan might turn against them if they fired Kenny, they know he's not the manager that can bring Liverpool to glory day again
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 16 2012, 08:19 AM)
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Sounds much more like excuses than positives apart from the first one rolleyes.gif

Before i answer your question since i am Nay-er,modern fan,not ''true fan''

What makes you think in the first place that the manager will fail?
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To you its always an excuse.
To me, those are very good signs. i would be very worried if the team was lackasidial, defensive,
concervative and Suarez screaming to leave.
Add to that, Carroll is showing signs that we may all be wrong about him price aside.
Add to that we are back in Europe.

Modern fan alrite, who know squat about the Liverpool way or Kenny Dalglish. nod.gif

Thats a prognosis/sugeestion......i am eagar to see what you would suggest FSG do in that scenario as
a MODERN fan.
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QUOTE(markblurberry @ May 16 2012, 12:23 AM)
A point to ponder - i read with much emotion, desperation, and sheer frustration, that Malaga is able to clinch 4th place in La Liga and qualify for CL, but what has transpired in Liverpool is pure question, question and question...sure Malaga is playing in Spain, but they achieved what their owner set-out early - that they need to spend smart, despite relatively modest investment by bringing in Toulalan, Demichelis, Baptista (flop from Arsenal) and Horseface...together with a young and enterprising coach Manuel Pellegrini, their achievement is something akin to wet dream for Reds fan...Unlike ManCiteh....their sheikh is relatively modest, shrewd in fact if i look at their control acquisition - Toulalan cost not more than 10 million euros...joris mathijsen for 2.2 million, Demichelis for 2.5 million +/- and Horseface for FREE.... Malaga is able to mould a team capable of challenging in La Liga...of course the domination will alwiz be Real or Barca, but it's nice and a tad more interesting for colourful team like Malaga to give them a run for their money...but the morale of the story is, Malaga need at least 2 season before they are able to clinch CL...they finished 11th before the current campaign. As much that I am dissapointed with our standing and in our signings, i really hope KD will be given his crack at the title next season...for i know that KD is absorbing all the pressure now..which is essential for rebuilding...i cant foresee another rookie manager to withstand what KD did and start a proper rebuilding...no way..even a veteran Hodgson cant outlive 6 months on the job. Having said this, also hope that FSG can make available substantial investment for KD, no point backing someone but have his hands tied..no?
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in la liga the only team that challenge for league title is barca & real..wayyyyy different in EPL...at least FOUR teams can challenge the title..its no surprise u can get UCL place much easier in la liga than in EPL
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 16 2012, 08:31 AM)
To you its always an excuse.
To me, those are very good signs. i would be very worried if the team was lackasidial, defensive,
concervative and Suarez screaming to leave.
Add to that, Carroll is showing signs that we may all be wrong about him price aside.
Add to that we are back in Europe.

Modern fan alrite, who know squat about the Liverpool way or Kenny Dalglish.    nod.gif

Thats a prognosis/sugeestion......i am eagar to see what you would suggest FSG do in that scenario as
a MODERN fan.
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Yup i should answer to bellends like you who take the holier than thou stance.
You people are like children throwing tantrums.you won't support if kenny is not the manager.

Besides,you don't have to talk about carroll to me.I have been supporting him all these while when others were shouting for him to be sold.
I wonder where your liverpool way went when everyone called for roy to be sacked rolleyes.gif

I guess it's true after all when they say liverpool fans live in the past.

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 16 2012, 09:16 AM)
Yup i should answer to bellends like you who take the holier than thou stance.
You people are like children throwing tantrums.you won't support if kenny is not the manager.

Besides,you don't have to talk about carroll to me.I have been supporting him all these while when others were shouting for him to be sold.
I wonder where your liverpool way went when everyone called for roy to be sacked rolleyes.gif
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Ohhh Bellend...name calling now? ...... holier? Whats religion gotta do with this? whistling.gif

i must having my second childhood........ at 50 rclxms.gif

For yer HOLY self info, i didnt call for woy to be sacked.... whistling.gif

Judgemental arent we? nod.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 16 2012, 09:16 AM)
Yup i should answer to bellends like you who take the holier than thou stance.
You people are like children throwing tantrums.you won't support if kenny is not the manager.

Besides,you don't have to talk about carroll to me.I have been supporting him all these while when others were shouting for him to be sold.
I wonder where your liverpool way went when everyone called for roy to be sacked rolleyes.gif

I guess it's true after all when they say liverpool fans live in the past.
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Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 09:23 AM)
Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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AND he called me a BELL-end....... rolleyes.gif


Added on May 16, 2012, 9:26 am
QUOTE(leftist @ May 16 2012, 09:02 AM)
in la liga the only team that challenge for league title is barca & real..wayyyyy different in EPL...at least FOUR teams can challenge the title..its no surprise u can get UCL place much easier in la liga than in EPL
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Methinks B Dortman is rather more impressive....ttwo POLES as strikers! WOW!
i am impressed! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 16 2012, 09:23 AM)
Dont mean to butt in but you compared Roy's relegation days with Kenny's 8th place. That shows how insightful you are.... sweat.gif

In case you forget, we was 17th once when Woy in charge....
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If we use 2012 form against Woy, it was no better. At least Woy only in charge for 6 months, KD already in charge for 1 year and that is inexcusable for me. Blame luck or whatever, 2012 was the reason I dont support KD anymore
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 16 2012, 09:25 AM)
AND he called me a BELL-end.......    rolleyes.gif


Added on May 16, 2012, 9:26 am
Methinks B Dortman is rather more impressive....ttwo POLES as strikers!  WOW!
i am impressed!   biggrin.gif
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yup..dortmund was impressive!..but i'm more impressed in Montpellier...check out where they were last season biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ May 16 2012, 09:34 AM)
If we use 2012 form against Woy, it was no better. At least Woy only in charge for 6 months, KD already in charge for 1 year and that is inexcusable for me. Blame luck or whatever, 2012 was the reason I dont support KD anymore
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If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?


Added on May 16, 2012, 9:53 am
QUOTE(leftist @ May 16 2012, 09:51 AM)
yup..dortmund was impressive!..but i'm more impressed in Montpellier...check out where they were last season biggrin.gif
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Montpelleir maybe a flash in the pan.....

BUT Dortmund is two years running now..........with POLESKIs a s strikers! Another WOW! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 16 2012, 09:51 AM)
If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?


Added on May 16, 2012, 9:53 am
Montpelleir maybe a flash in the pan.....

BUT Dortmund is two years running now..........with POLESKIs a s strikers!  Another WOW!    thumbup.gif
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Lewandowski is good!..lucas barrios will be going out..strong rumour lewandowski will be going out too..and its m.u thats gonna buy him! shakehead.gif

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