Ok, so it's like the Golf and Jetta. So I'll re-read carpathia's myvi-altis analogy as a purposeful exaggeration instead.

Yes the 408 is here. I was looking to get a used 407, but as soon as I got wind of the 408 and that too at $110k, just couldn't wait to see it in real life. Come launch day I was the early bird googling the 408 as if it was my prise calf.  You know what? I actually got disappointed. The car looked like a pumped up Vios. Man....that was a major setback for me,it was no where near the sleek  looks of the 407. However locked my disappointed emotions and took the turbo for a spin. This is when the smile came back to my face. The power,handling and feel were amazing. The 407 has very good handling, but with this car, Peugeot has raised the bar. The feedback by electro hydraulic steering is so precise, and has been tuned to the right tautness. There's heck of power ready at the tap to kick serious ass! The car is packed with various safety features which is important when you unleash those wild horses. I'm sold, the 407 may be a great looker,but the 408 takes you to another dimension in driving dynamics!Made my booking for the turbo today!

bro.. fyi, you're comparing 2 different segment cars. the 407 is a d-segment car which is replaced by the 508. not the 408 anyway am glad for your purchase.. how long before you get the car? 2 weeks? care to share/pm the details of your offer?

The 1.6T engine feels powerful enough in a 508, so it should do much better in a smaller bodied 408. But have you done research on the engine before committing? I did some research on the 508 before I bought it, and knew all the potential problems that could pop up and true enough my 508 is leaking oil after 6 months of ownership (10000km, went into workshop once, now leaking again. Going for second time )

Some owners are not prepared for this, so err just wanted to give you some heads up. Not saying it will definitely happen to yours, but still there's a chance of it happening. Put that a side, peugeots are good to drive

Sad to know that oil leak still not solved, my fren 307 also having this problem.

What did Peugeot says about the oil leak? What did they rectified to stop the leak for your 1st repair? Did they compensate you for this problem as you are without a car for use?

What other potential problem? Please share. Thanks.

The 408 is indeed based on the 308 with extended wheelbase and a re tuned ECU to delivery a little more power.

http://www.autoworld.com.my/v2/news/nb_det...D=RT.ATC.CAR.PV

http://paultan.org/2012/04/10/white-peugeo...ing-on-the-nse/

Agree however that the 308 sedan is a closer sibling to the 308 hatch.

Well first, it was leaking from the valve cover. After fixing the valve cover, it's now leaking from the cam head. Could be the gasket I guess?

Other potential issue is premature diverter valve tearing, and also premature timing chain tensioner failure. Oh and also depollution system faulty error.

Btw these failures can happen to any car that uses the turbo prince engine, including mini cooper s, and citroens

Woh! Scary...

I can understanding the oil leaking thing which you can detect looking the the puddle of oil in your car porch, but the rest, how did you detect the valve and timing chain problem? Does the problem happen bad enough to ground your car in the middle of the road?

And also depollution system faulty error, which is what many 308T owners complain, what effect does it have on the car?

My many, many moon ago Wira had a clutch problem, and ground me in the fast lane of LDP...and everyone passes by me stop and stare and make me feel like a mass murderer who has just killed an entire village

I feel for you man, what a RM170K car, and only 6 months later....

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Added on May 28, 2012, 8:38 pmMe too, ah...thanks. If they can offer the "sport" mod to the the car (e.g. smoke headlamp, rear spoiler, and diffuser (black) with twin wind pipe) in a white/silver colour bod, I am sold...

Dunno, can get an after market HU upgrade with DVD+AVN, GPS, and 2 more speaker/woofer or not? If yes, I would say the best car of the C-segment in terms of performance vs price, but definitely not going to be low FC...so cannot get best of both worlds I guess...

All the low FC C-segment cars does not seem to have impressive performance at low torque/pick-up (yet to see review on Civic 2012 and Focus 2012 at low to mid-range torque comment)

This post has been edited by ckwong111: May 28 2012, 08:38 PM

Well the oil leak is actually the least to worry about. It's relatively easy to fix. Depollution one is the one to worry about. Your car will go into limp mode, and you dont turbo boost. There, a heavy car with a 1.6L NA engine, and the depollution thing has a high change to recur.

For timing chain, you will hear loud engine clatter, something like a diesel. So errm, if you hear it then you know whats gonna happen next.

Oh another thing, the diverter valve thingy can be fixed by swapping the valve with the ones from a VW. Apparently, the valve could handle 1 bar pressure, whereas the VW ones could handle 2 bar. So you get more headroom

Ooh... Both look almost the same...

Hi bro, was told I'll get the car in 3 weeks. No price discount. Free Gamin GPS and $400 voucher for windscreen tint. Didn't ask for anything else!
As far as segments go, both these cars are kind of untraditional. . 407 being 2 litre falls in D but has a rather tight interior. The 408 NA also 2 litre falls in C,but has quite a comfortable and large interior. So want criteria sets the segments,especially when these 2 are concern.
Anyway my choice more than comparison was purely made on financial basis. I had looked at and in mind a 09 407 costing $90k. The 408 NA is priced at $110k. In reality the difference is much less than the apparent $20K and this is how it goes.
 Loan on old cars are higher,thus the monthly payments will differ very marginally. The 407 is 3 years on, no warranty and will have maintenance issues that I've got to stick out on top of the 90k!!! The decision was to get the 408 NA as it is brand new,5year warranty, at the end of loan period the margin would be even more narrow by virtue of lower interest on 408 loan. I know it's apple and orange here, but my point is value for money! 
Now all this was decided behind the arm chair. Inreal life and after the test drive, logic flew out of the window. Just got hooked on the turbo

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Added on May 29, 2012, 12:59 pmTks for the warning bro. Yes I did a fair bid of research, am aware of the problems on the former THPs. From that time had decided to bypass the THP and actually go for the NA. I don't think all THPs are problematic and I'm quite surprised with the problem on your 508. 
On the other hand the EW10A engine has been quite reliable and as you know it's been tweaked for the 408 NA.This is the one I had set my eyes on,not the THP. 
However the THP apparently has been give a serious make over and puts out a few more horses than the one in the 508. I understand all the previous issues are successfully addressed, or at least they say! It was the damn test drive of this engine. It was like a bug bit me and I was in a trance,I just wanted it, nothing else made sense! 
Here's my take on the whole story. It's not the same THP. 5 year warranty is comforting.I've taken the plunge,hopefully all goes well. I am prepared for the unexpected! I think if you are not prepared for some pain then a conti is not your game! Plenty of plain Janes in the market! Nevertheless I appreciate your input and hope the same fate does not bestow upon me,touch wood! Hope you plug your leaky fella!

Peugeots are good to drive! You're sooooo damn right on this one!

This post has been edited by SKYjack: May 29 2012, 12:59 PM

Yup. Good to know that you're aware of potential stumbling blocks. Just wanted to give a heads up to potential owner, coz if you happen to pickup a "temperamental" unit you might need to make round trips to the workshop. And nasim's service centers are quite overcrowded also. I made a booking for them to look into my issue and the earliest slot I get is on 7th June

Have you test drive the 408 2.0? I know that it's not comparable to 408T but if you have tested both, please kindly share
I was eyeing for Elantra but then 408 comes with this incredible price and straight away I went for test drive but only the 408T is available for test drive. Drove it and like you said, logic flew out of the window. but i couldn't afford the 408T monthly commitment. waiting to test drive 408 2.0 before making my decision.

Just finish my work somewhere around Puchong area today and drop by their branch to check out the car in person. When I arrive it was around 6.30pm and one of their SA serve me. They had 2 showroom units, one M. Bronze in color and the other one under wrap was, A. Grey.

The interior was spacious, as they claim, best in C-segment. I think it's the width and height, that provides an interior spaciousness vision close to a D-segment Jap car. Always wonder why the conti couldn't have a rear flat floor design?

SA says 1 - 2 months delivery time, and I book a test drive with him at KESAS highway in 2 weekend's time. Ask him to quote a trade in price for my City which he gave a very low value so I didn't bother to ask him for any freebies. After the test drive only ask lar...

Overall design decent enough but if they could design their rear tail light to be longer like a Prassat CC, that would have been great. Btw, the rear tail light is fully lited. Interior leather looks better than the usual PU leather type but I think the Nappa leather type should be higher grade. On the dashboard design, it is better and classier design that the B-segment with softer plastic and certain C-segment, but if you like the futuristic type design, it's not. Specs wise nothing an after market accessories shop can't solve except you insist a sunroof is a must have.

Rear space is fantastic, I am abt 5"11 weighting abt 90kg, and to fit 3 of me at the back is no issue. I can lay my body back and still enjoy abt 2 - 3cm knee room. Boot space big but not my selection criteria as I have my CRV for ferrying large/more luggage around.

The SA have no idea how the 1U showcase can get the sport mod accessories and whether Nasim can offer the sport mod package at additional cost upgrade.

Can't wait to test drive in 2 weeks time and check out the performance, NVH and audio sound....

If you're using the turbo as the benchmark, you'll find the 2.0 to be severely underpowered. If compared against other 2.0 NA, I find the engine to have sufficient pulling power. This issue is most obvious at 0-60kph but once you hit cruising speed, mid to high range power is as good. The only thing I didn't like about the 2.0 is the super light steering which is great in city drives but not so good if you're speeding on winding roads since road feedback is poor and the accurate steering means you have to constantly pay attention to your car's angle. For an old man like me who no longer have the need for speed, I think the 2.0 is a good buy for the asking price. Most important is the fact that you'll NEVER have depollution problems with it.

i saw it in a truck near Jalan Kuching.near the used car there.parking side of the road.together with 3008 and 308..such a nice a good looking car!

btw, u ain't old lah!

what's this depollution thingy?? apologies for the noobie question. never owned a pug before..

See forumer "Sleepy" replies on the May 28 2012, 08:55 PM posting...

I went with the 408 NA firmly in mind. In Seramban they only had the turbo unit,so tested it. The rest of the story you know la. After that I was not interested in the NA at all. Btw bro, the difference in monthly payment is oly $100+ don't forget road tax is $300 cheaper. So do consider the turbo seriously,and you may get tired of the NA due to it's low power.

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Added on May 30, 2012, 11:28 pmBro kenso kena Kau kau on the turbo already, now having nightmares la.....hehehe! Anyway after reading all the reports on 308 THP problems, I too firmly kept away form the turbo. Even after reading this THP as been given a serious make over and all issues settled,I was skecipital. If the problems still persist,then I guess I've made the wrong choice! I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. Hopefully not,touch wood!
The steering feel was one very strong reason for me to get this model. It was so precise and accurate!I'm not one who tears down the road,but good to know you have on the tap when you need it.

This post has been edited by SKYjack: May 30 2012, 11:38 PM