I have a Waterco outdoor fibreglass sand filter. I am planning to move it to my new house. The questions is how to move it? Do i need to pour out everything before moving? or just take and go (and also fix back all the pipes in the old house)

What are the problems if install UF membrane filter with 0.01 micron? Plan to get one outdoor filter but not really keen on sand filter.

Note : DO NOT BUY UF membrane filter with 0.01 micron, definite will reduce water pressure and many other problems. Ask us if u wanna know more

Actually we discussed this several times, i also posted more than 10 times around the forums. If you online google Pros and cons UF 0.01 micron and u will get the answers. If u ask sellers seling UF membrane, they will say is good. If u ask seller like me selling sand, i will tell u is no good. Best and neutral answer, get it from google.

May b i should start selling what customers wan rather what is good for them 

Ok, at first you said:
And when i asked, you throw tantrum and replied with this (maybe you felt frustrated after knowing that i would not be your potential customer)
It's kinda stupid, don't you think so? ☺

really got ppl just come in and ask what is better instead of reading all the previous comments... lol....

really doubt that kind of ppl will really follow what other said...blindly.. lol

then sampai kedai, kedai ppl recommend something else, might change their minds also...

just curious, no hard feelings... btw, I'm using 3m outdoor filters because lazy back wash.

Well, if you read through all the 15 pages, post #282 is the only post that zheilwane mentioned about UF low pressure issue and "other problems". That's why I asked for more details.

If he is lazy to answer, then don't put something like "ask us if you want to know more". This is the purpose of a forum, for us to learn and discuss things. If we can google everything then what's the point of having a forum?

Just curious what's gone through your mind, no hard feeling 

Mainly there are 3 types of water filters in Malaysia. Sand, Membrane and Cloth. Most customer like Membrane or 3M due to the compact size, you should compare the end result (after installation) I think sand looks nicer. As per photo below


1)UF MEMBRANE
Brands like Hydro1, OKO, NESH, RUBINE, OSMO, GENAIR, PERFECT STEEL and many more. Regardless of the brands, filtration is 0.01 micon with UF Membrane filtration. You might think that with 0.01 micron, you can save $$ and do not need an indoor filter, this is wrong. Copied this from a website,

“EVEN reverse osmosis (0.0001 micron) is effective for removing a variety of contaminants in water, the reverse osmosis membrane alone does NOT remove volatile organic chemical (VOCs), chlorine and chloramines, pharmaceuticals, and a host of other synthetic chemicals found in municipal water”

This type of filter is the cleanest for outdoor system but the cons outweigh the pros.

Reduce in water pressure
We discussed about indoor drinking filter, we have Amway Espring (0.2 micron), 3M (0.2 micron), Aquaphor (0.1 micron). So, do we need 0.01 micron for outdoor filter while indoor is only 0.2 or 0.1 micron? As we know, indoor drinking filter will reduce water pressure with the small micron filtration, wouldnt 0.01 micron reduce even more?

As per video tested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGQOnLpyUdc


Clogging Issue
Due to the small and compact design of this filter but with 0.01 micron, wont it get clogged fast? Most of them will recommend installing an automatic flushing timer to flush 2 times per day. The timer runs on batttery and according to feedback, battery could last 10 months - 1 year. As we always rely on the automatic function, we wont check on the battery. If battery runs out and does not flush, membrane will spoil and cost approximately RM 700 to replace. Sometimes, customers dont even notice the membrane is faulty unless incoming water supply is so dirty and obvious yellowish. When membrane is faulty, you will notice flushing (similar backwash) water is not as dirty as when it is brand new = some of the dirt is entering your house without you noticing it.

Not Durable
From research most membrane filters could only withstand 3 - 3.5bar pressure. Most catalogs written 6 - 8 bars, if you ask the sales person in the detail, 6-8 bars is actually for the stainless steel casing durability test not the membrane. So, if you incoming water pressure is too strong, installer will recommend to install a pressure reducing valve to reduce water pressure, water enters the filter, pressure drop again...

High Maintenance Cost
UF Membrane could not perform BACKWASH but can only do flushing which is not as effective as backwash. That is why it is recommended to do chemical cleaning once a year and replace membrane 3 years once.

2)Sand
Brands like Waterco, Bacfree, Perfect Steel, Genair, Puregen, alphamax and many more.
Regardless of the brands, filtration is around 5 - 20 micron. This type of filter has the lowest maintenance cost (replacement of media averagely 4 years)and durable. Different brand will have different type of sand, some have 2 layers while some have upto 6 layers. Most 5 - 6 layers will consist of 2 - 3 layers of gravel stone, so when you have more layers, the amount of sand will be lesser and capcity will be lower. Some media claim that they got mineral, remove bacteria and etc but are these real and are they necessary? Generally, an outdoor filter is mainly to remove sediments and rust to protect our internal piping from clogging or damage our taps & fittings and to ensure water is not yellowish for cleaning. So, to me the most important thing is the outdoor filter has to be sufficient clean, durable and least maintenance, why pay more for gimmicks that we dont need or not proven to work. Chemical, heavy metal, bacteria all those leave it for the indoor filters to do the job.

There are a few disadvantages of sand,
a)If you forgot to backwash and pressure is strong, dirt will eventually get into our house
b)Without proper maintenance, a little sand could enter our pipeline.
c) Inconsistent filtration, when it is brand new could b 5 micron but after few years with backwash, different layers of sand and dirt will get mixed up, filtration could go upto 20 micron. 1 micron = 0.001mm. So 20 micron for an outdoor filter still acceptable for me

3)Cloth
Brand like Perfect Steel, Diamond and 3M. Average filtration 5 - 15 micron. For Perfect Steel and Diamound, you will need to get their technician to clean the filter quarterly and it is kinda costly, everytime you clean the cloth, there is a little chance of damaging it which will affect the filtration performance. For 3M, you dont have to clean, replace the cartridge annually but that is really costly. After sometime, when the cloth gets thinner and if the water is too dirty + high pressure, it is possible that dirt could force through the cloth.

I do sell Genair, Perfect Steel and Rubine Membrane filter, Genair and Perfect Steel Sand filter and 3M AP902 cloth filter. However, I mainly promote Perfect Steel Sand (for landed) and 3M AP902 (for condo) as we used to sell UF membrane but receive several complaints from customers, so we decided not to sell.

Plan to buy outdoor water filter for my house, nothing fancy or too expensive, just enough that the water is clean for washing and bathing, I got another water filter in the house for drinking purposes, any suggestions?

what is the brand name or company name that carry this Perfect Steel?

Perfect Steel is the brand

company that supply is IDE? this one?

IDE is mainly in johor. Perfect Steel OEM for many other brands, in KL the more popular one is Alphamax.
Checked IDE website and found they accidentally put a perfect steel photo
http://www.idewater.com.my/?ws=showproduct...0Filter&lang=cn

Dont know IDE is OEM by Perfect Steel or not but they look identical

So meaning yours is not with IDE label on the tank itself?