Exactly. If it doesn't hurt like f***, it ain't torn.

i think i have got myself a rotator cuff or shoulder injury..

anyone know if i should either see a chiropractor or physio?

It hurts as thought i ve got bruises when i press around the right shoulder area. I could do light BP, perhaps just the barbell, but full body pushups hurts my right shoulder..

So based on u guy's exp here, is that a rotator cuff injury? its been almost a month+

Mr. Z,
u can go to starting strength forum http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/forum.php to ask. some of the regulars there are quite knowledgeable about this sort of thing. a few of them are real life doctor also. but u might need to be more specific though.

good luck.

a lil off topic
why do so many people praise starting strength? i found that program to be useless especially if training with a bodybuilding-mind purpose.. opinions?

u can always start with SS and change to bb training later.

Shit how do i embed an FB vid link?

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jan 25 2013, 01:44 PM

SS is one of the routine that emphasizes compound exercises in it. Same as 5/3/1, stronglifts etc. People who advocate strength routine for beginner would say that beginner have the best CNS to teach them compound movements. Start them early, they'll be good (that's not what I said).

Secondly, those compound movement increase your strength. Sure, you don't need to lift heavy ass weight to build muscle mass for BB purposes but just imagine that you are using deads as one of the back building exercises. By able to lift 300lbs ++ compare to 150lbs for the same reps and sets, which one will have better results out of it? (and yes, you can argue about the carry over from one exercises to another).

That's just my 2 cent thou.

Yup, it is useless.

Poor results for BBing, and not optimal for PLing.

Bottomline, if your goals are:
BBing: Do NOT do SS, do a bodypart split
PLing: Do NOT do SS, do 5-3-1.

Stay away from SS, it is a waste of time.

You take 2 guys, same build (lets say skinnyfat); 1 guy does SS, 1 guy does trad BB bodypart split, 6 months later, guess who looks better assuming all other factors are consistent?

Yep.

I agree with this. I prefer the 5-3-1 concept over SS.

Neither disagreeing nor agreeing. Just curious. Why this preference? To tell you guys the truth I have never been on a cookie cutter strength program anyway.

I like that 5/3/1 has a certain level of customizability to it. Aside from military, deadlift, squat and bench, the rest of the program is essentially decided by the individual in terms of the accessory exercises. Though with further thought, this may not be the best thing for a new trainee who doesn't have enough knowledge to customize a routine. However, Wendler does provide a number of examples of what exercises to do in the 5/3/1 book.

Then again, I haven't done 5/3/1 and this is purely my own theoretical view of the program.

strength let u avoid injuries

BB is about getting big

u dont wan have big body and later on injure urself like small kids lol

i don't get it.... bb=big=injuries? dafuq logic is that?

Go away. Idiot.

ok, i rephrase properly

strength is about flexibility ( involve lifting skills)

bb is getting big with fixed forms of exercise ( just madly pumping muscle with machine assistant as much as possible )

u might be big, but then might also lacks of flexibility and skills to lift properly hence injure urself while lifting/pulling without machine


as if u are lowyat.net owner ?lol

Do u even know what ur talking about?

God save this guy.

Broscience at its worst.

i think broscience makes more sense.

do u know what u want to ask ?

what is this ? kopitiam ?lol

just to quote that u dont agree with me but without valid points ?

i can prove i am correct all day long

u can disagree with me but dont quote me for nothing if u cannot prove me wrong lol

since this is a post count section . another example of strength vs bb

bb is for apparent, but we dont know the true strength(performance), can be as good as it appears to be or less

strength, is the focus of getting the thing lifted/endurance/stamina etc ..depends on how they define it, body apparent is secondary.


100kg bb guy might max lift up 300kg max

but 70kg strength guy max lift up till 400kg max

which means strength is the performance but bb is all about apparent

and both of them need to recruit muscle fiber to do the exercises be it for strength or BB so those two will somehow rather gonna get injured which makes you wrong at the part where