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alien9
post Jun 21 2012, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(-Aktan- @ Jun 21 2012, 05:51 PM)
Hello guys, how do you guys think about this workout? No lifting weight no equipment, is this suitable for people for wants to grow bigger in size?

http://www.beachbody.com/product/fitness_p...ams/insanity.do

The secret to these mind-blowing INSANITY workout results: MAX Interval Training.  Shaun T took traditional interval training and flipped it on its head—you perform long bursts of maximum-intensity exercises with short periods of rest. Each INSANITY workout keeps you constantly challenged as you alternate between aerobic and anaerobic intervals performed at your MAX. The result: burn up to 1,000 calories in an hour and get the most insane body in 60 days.
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From my opinion, it is a good routine for cutting and adding a little bit of muscle to your body. You can see it from the before and after pic (if it is a true before and after pic). All of them have shred some pounds of fat and the muscle definition increase because of the fat loss. If your goal is to lose fat, this is a very good workout. If you want to build muscle, there are other routine but most of them need the availability of machine and weights from gym.

But still, just like -mikehuan said, you can burn 1000 of calories everyday but if you eat more than that, you ain't gonna lose the weight. Further more, there are a lot of free workout routine that can help you lose the fat.
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post Jun 21 2012, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(adix4 @ Jun 21 2012, 07:55 PM)
currently doing Chaos and Pain,

the intensity........... IS AMAZING!

for anyone who don't know what CnP is all about

i. Go by feels, but make sure it is 85% and above from your 1RM
ii. Go by singles, doubles or triples. (15-30x1, 12x2, 10x3) but make sure it is 85% and above
iii. your rest must be minimal b'ween sets, 45 second to 1 minute
iv. train 5 days minimal

in b4 overtraining

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Will it increase your deadlift PR?

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post Jun 21 2012, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 21 2012, 09:31 PM)
Thanks guy for all the tips.

Today I went to the gym again to do the routine mentioned above, but this time some complications arose.

After I did my sets for squats, I was helping my friend spot for his squats at the squatting station (at least I think it's the squatting station). He's strong but he did something lighter than what he used to do at another gym which was 45lbs at each side. He's short, so after I did my sets we had to move the bar lower down, but the 45lbs weights were semi-"melted" so they got stuck to the pins when we were trying to move it. So we both had to move to one side to try and pull the weights out of the pin, not knowing that it was falling off on the other. So this ang moh guy came and put it back to place for us without saying anything, we thanked him.

But after that, we attracted alot of attention when my friend was doing his set (which he did without much struggle). This lady trainer came up to me and told me to ask him to stop as it was gym rules, and that it was dangerous and we should use the static machines to build more muscles before attempting this.

My friend was pissed, I confused.

Was there something we did wrong? Are there marchines to substitute the deadlifts and squats in the Jaya gym?
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I'm curious at what actually happened there hmm.gif It can't be a normal squat if you attract a lot of attention.
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post Jun 21 2012, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(adix4 @ Jun 21 2012, 10:33 PM)
most likely the gym rules is against lifting heavy kot, my old gym last time saw someone struggling that PT marah kao kao say too much weight lah apa lah
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Heavy is subjective so that PT cannot argue with anyone about lifting heavy weight.
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post Jun 21 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 21 2012, 11:10 PM)
Yeah I checked the rules as we left. But that was what was used to try to get us to stop I guess. Suffice to say, isn't a squat not life threatening since there are safety pins preventing the bell from falling even if it does? Should I continue with the squats routine or should I go use the machines more until I'm "ready"? Oh and mind if I ask, for deadlifts in Jaya 33, can we just take an empty bar and put the weights on it and do it on the floor? Or do we have to do it in the rack/cage like thing (it does have a rather high safety pin though)?
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Just continue what both of you been doing. How are you going to increase your squat weight if you don't train your squat? Yes, there are exercises that can help increase your squat weights but nothing beats doing the squat itself.

For the deadlift, deadlift always starts on the floor. If you put it on the rack, it would be called rack pull.

I suggest that you have a talk with the gym owner, asked him what is the real reason for what happened. And try to reason with him if he said that you shouldn't do squats. There is a reason why the safety is invented.
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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 21 2012, 11:32 PM)
The owner's around?

I'll go on then. Thanks, if I run into trouble again, I guess I'll consult my consultant to see what's up. Maybe it's because I'm the skinniest guy in the gym usually lol.
Oh and one more Q. The weights are always unorganized and messed up so is it okay if lets say I want to do 10KG on each side of the bar, so I put 2x 2.5kg + 1x 5kg and 1x10KG on the otherside?
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As long as the weight is the same for both sides, you are good to go. But normally, people wouldn't do this as there is a possibility of miscalculation so the bar will become unbalance when you unrack them and injury can happen. It happened to my friend once, luckily I was there to support him.
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(adix4 @ Jun 22 2012, 06:53 PM)
so guys, Ramadhan is coming

say goodbye to your gains or what?

anyone cutting here this Ramadhan
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whatever it is, you must increase your strength gain
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post Jun 22 2012, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jun 22 2012, 10:32 PM)
Thanks for the link. So let me get this right,

1. I can lift my upper body but my lower should be arched and stay the same
2. Lift it up quickly

Question:-

1. I normally put my arm just besides my leg in deadlift. Should I do the same for pendlay?
2. How far should my leg would be from the bar?
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1. Lifting the upper body @ jerking would be cheating the form. I've been there and trust me, it is better for you to focus on perfect form. Jerking can be done if you are at last sets but if you do it from the first sets to last, it would defeat the purpose of gaining the strength amirite?
2. Lift the bar explosively as you can.

1. I would put my hand just like the normal width for bench press (not close grip not wide grip).
2. Doesn't matter as long as the bar is directly under your shoulder. If you have long torso, it would be far.

From my experience, the width of your feet can alter the ROM for this exercise. Wider feet placement would shorter the ROM and narrower feet placement would make the ROM longer. Shorter ROM is easy but I prefer longer ROM.


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QUOTE(adix4 @ Jun 22 2012, 10:42 PM)
trying my best to get 365 within 4 weeks man (ramdhan is around 20ish july as far as i remember, so gonna bust my ass with CnP style, deadlifting 3 times a week and hoping for the best, i know this is crazy but here's my number and call me maybe


Added on June 22, 2012, 10:44 pmtalking about pendlay row, sometimes my lower back feel pain

shouldn't it hit my upper back hard  rclxub.gif
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That is good, hope to see your video biggrin.gif
And yes, pendlay row do make your lower back pain a little bit. Your back have to be straight + the weight that you lift from the floor thus the lower back pain sensation. Sometimes I fail on pendlay rows not because of the weight is heavy but because it tax the lower back.
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Jun 22 2012, 10:52 PM)
since i incorporate deads 3x a week i feel like ditching my pendlay or just do it once per week  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

damn it, even tho i did singles but the DOMS feels like an effer
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Just asking, do you do max effort on those 3 days?

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QUOTE(kicksense @ Jun 24 2012, 04:09 AM)
I love 'intensity'.

But this month,when i squat my leg, ham and quad not so stress but my celah 'kangkang' (dunno what to translate) feel a lot of pressure/tense. And this feeling make me afraid to increase my weight right now.  Before this, never experience it. When i lower the weight, the tense/pressure within that area is gone.

My form is wrong? Or any part of my body is weak? Any seniors here ever experienced this?
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celah kangkang = groin

Maybe it happened because of bad form or sometimes when you train with high intensity, the weakest area will become fatigue fast thus the pain/pressure that you felt @ weak body part but I think it is due to bad form.
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QUOTE(iCryz @ Jun 24 2012, 07:39 PM)
did anyone of u tried stronglift 5x5 ? any review about it ?biggrin.gif
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It is a very good routine for beginner and powerlifter. It is a full body workout for 3 days a week emphasize on increasing overall body strength, strengthen the body, add mass and goal driven which is very good for beginner.

I use this routine for 6 months before I add a few other exercises such as dips and chin up, doing a lot of deadlift etc. I got good gains from it especially at my lower body. Follow the routine as per stated and don't let your ego comes in the way and you are good to go.



QUOTE(adix4 @ Jun 24 2012, 10:08 PM)
talk about flexibility

a dude at my gym asked me to teach him squats, tought him ATG squats and full squats

but i found he can't even reach parallel

is this due to his flexibility?
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The answer will be yes. Most people have flexibility issues with squatting as they last squat when they are little. People who use 'tandas cangkukng' would probably doesn't have this issue as they are used to squatting.

I have a friend how have flexibility issue and not so average lower body muscle strength and it is very hard for him to squat even with less than 100lbs weight. Well, a good trainer will know how to fix this biggrin.gif


Added on June 24, 2012, 11:47 pm
QUOTE(iCryz @ Jun 24 2012, 11:39 PM)
erm i dont actually know what's the bar weight .. i put 2x 25 pounds and 1 x 5 pounds on left and right side .

yeah. my form is correct smile.gif biggrin.gif
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The bar weight would be 45lbs for the 7feet Olympic Barbell. Top up with your current weight, that would be 165lbs. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are squatting with low bar or high bar? With narrow feet or wider feet placement?

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jun 24 2012, 11:59 PM)
But is Stronglift better than SS? I already did SS and feel I could do more.

Is there anything extra exercise I can do to make it just as good? (Anything except pull-up as my wrist is painful if bent...) Im planning to incorporate Lats Pulldown, Lunges and Preacher Curl but Im not sure if it would bring me any benefits.
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Both of them are compound routine. Stonglifts used all compound exercises on every lifting day. I don't know about SS but if you look into 5/3/1, on one lifting day, there would be one main compound exercise and two accessory exercise to 'help with strength development' of the main exercise. Which is better? You have to try them and see for yourself.

QUOTE(iCryz @ Jun 25 2012, 12:15 AM)
oh okay.thanks for your opinion biggrin.gif thumbup.gif

yeah. i think is 7 feet olympic barbell .smile.gif ya. 165 lbs only . i want to try more . but i scare if i suddenly drops it . it is not on a squat rack .if drop straights drop on the floor.
i squat with high bar and wider feet placement.

high bar or low bar better? for 5x5 stronglift.
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You gym doesn't have half cage / squat rack? Mine too so I'll keep in mind when I'm doing the lift, never go to failure and always listen to your body.
There is no right or wrong technique to squat except for bad technique. High bar or low bar depends on you shoulder flexibility. Narrow or wide feet placement depends on you flexibility and your preference. I can do both but I prefer to do wide squat
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jun 25 2012, 12:44 AM)
A very good read: http://70sbig.com/blog/2012/01/low-bar-vs-...-bar-squatting/

As a summary, its more or less the same. Stick to what you think is comfortable. 'Shut-up and start squatting' they say biggrin.gif
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Well, if you squat for the sake of squatting, that advice will be good. But if you target for a good PR or the kind of people who want to raise his/her squat weight, lots of things have to be taken into consideration and it will be a different story all together.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Jun 25 2012, 01:04 AM)
Flexibility takes time to develop. Just have them squat as low as possible without rounding of the lower back occurring. Also, get them to do mobility drills like this every day and their flexibility will improve. The prayer squat especially will help with squat depth. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...or_big_bastards
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Good advice. And you can always try to train your squatting in the toilet everyday. Hahaha.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 25 2012, 02:17 AM)
yea i kinda have a kink about squats, the weight you squat is very, very subjective.

what you can half squat, or even parallel squat is way different then what you can squat ATG, for example.

if anyone would to say what poundages they squat in a forum they best prepared to back it up when someone calls for it.

i only say this because in the whole time i've been weight training, i can count with ONE hand the number of people who squatted parrallel or ATG
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For me, I know that I squat parallel because I do box squat. Even I do box squat, I'm still squatting with a 'butt-wink' which I read is dangerous. But some other site says that it is ok, and some other website says that either it is a butt wink or lumbar^&*&)(*() which I don't know sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jun 25 2012, 09:25 PM)
Just wanna say that I my ego have been crushed today. Did split squat 20kg= knee drop to the floor. Bench press 45kg=Pinned down twice!. Did Pendlay = 40kg form terribly frinkin bad.

I got angry and did rows, back extension and lats untils sore.... any advice for me sad.gif
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One piece of important advice from me. If you sacrifice good form over trying to lift the weight, you are asking for trouble. Never ever sacrifice a the form.

If you have shitty day and shitty diet for that day, and feel lethargic and can't do your workout as supposed you do, don't do it. No one is forcing you to do it. You can always come another day instead of having to layoff for months due to spine injury etc.

Just think, which is better, your well being or the workout.
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jun 25 2012, 11:12 PM)
Thanks for the replies/advices. I guess I have to know my limits. Maybe I should concentrate my form rather than weights.

Anyway, I think I can get over it. I hope deloading everything in Wednesday would be bring back my form smile.gif
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Do that. Form is everything man. You can boast that you can squat 400lbs but if you are doing partial squat, ain't no one is going to be impressed except you and dumb-alike people.

Just sharing my experience. Last month around mid-May, I was on my triple triad shoulder super set which consist of 10 reps of front raise, 10 reps of lateral raise and 10 reps of db shoulder press for 3 sets. I was too tired at that point since I've just done my back routine (back and shoulder) and I was on Keto Diet (adjusting period). Although I was too tired, I still want to finish my routine and I've done them with bad forms. The swing, the momentum, the cheating, the half reps, eveything and the result?

I'm currently have this shoulder pain whenever I'm doing heavy workout especially shoulder. Its subsiding now after a month of rehab. So, I hope that you can take something from my experience. Never sacrifice the form unless you wanted to be injured.
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QUOTE(justin_5 @ Jun 25 2012, 11:27 PM)
dont bro... form is everything... i used to have bad form... then i have wrist injury... then i google about proper form...

tough now wrist pain lessen... but it is still there... been regretting not doing proper form last time...

bad form=injury...

if u get non permenant injury ur lucky... but if permanent... then... astalavista to gym....

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btw... proper form also maximises ur gains... gains comes from using the right weight with proper form... bad form with heavy ass weight is just stupid...
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I am 140% agreed with you. Its been one month since I have the shoulder injury. Hopefully it will gone forever or I will be in a big problem. If it is still there, I wouldn't be able to maximize my gain and it is sad sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jun 26 2012, 10:45 PM)
Got a short question: how to you know you are not rounding your back?

I normally do deadlift but sometimes my back hurts a bit during pulling. Do my butt must be in/hyperextend my back?
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Ask someone to see your back when you are performing the deadlift or you can always record a video of you doing deadlift.

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