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alien9
post Jun 15 2012, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Behevrath @ Jun 15 2012, 12:31 AM)
At first I really want to buy the Mass Gainer. But I'm confused whether it is good for me or not. Now I have the answer.
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Basically, if you do know about your diet; how much is your calorie maintenance, how much calorie do you need in order to increase your mass, then any supplement would be good for you. You must have a good grasp on these three basics/principles of weightlifting which is exercise, rest and diet. Most beginners only know about exercise and supplementation and disregard the diet part which is a very bad idea because muscle is built outside the gym. You can spend 4 hours a day in a gym, but without any proper diet and enough rest, you hardly gain anything. Trust me, I've been there nor that I spent 4 hours a day in gym mind you. Don't make the same mistake that I've done. Get to know your diet, your macro nutrition, calorie and your time will not be wasted.
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Jun 15 2012, 03:23 AM)
bleh.
fat gripz surely limit my rowing strength and forearm is in burn
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you just got back from gym this time of day?
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post Jun 15 2012, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(VincentChen @ Jun 15 2012, 12:31 PM)
i find them to be uncomfortable also, because it limits my range of motion, my back is so taxing when im at the bottom of the squat, but i cant do normal squat because i dont have a partner/ spotter with me  sweat.gif anyway, thx man, now i feels good squatting at smith machine smile.gif
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I never need a spotter when I'm I do squat, and yes my gym just have the squat rack, no safety at all. These are several tips if you got no safety and no spotter.
1. Never go to failure. If you fail, the floor is there to catch you.
2. Listen to your body. If your body says 50/50 on the last rep, don't do the rep.
3. Learn how to throw the bar behind you. There is a video on how to bail if you fail on squat. They even suggest to try to bail purposely in order to bail successfully when it is needed.
4. Do box squat. This technique kills two bird with one stone. This technique is always being used by the Westside Barbell and it works very well. It also acts as 'safety' when you fail to get out of the hole, provided there is someone to help you get up. If not, throw the bar.


Added on June 15, 2012, 1:25 pm
QUOTE(VincentChen @ Jun 15 2012, 12:50 PM)
oh yea, i forgot that the racks got bars to block the weigh from dropping on me ..... doh.gif
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so it has safety and yeah doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(VincentChen @ Jun 15 2012, 01:59 PM)
Usually if I feLt like last rep 50/50 I will go do it, if sucesss, it feels damn good hahaha
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Well, if you don't have a safety or a spotter, you got 50% chance of failure. But you can do what ever you want to do.
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Jun 15 2012, 02:59 PM)
Failing on squats, lol. I failed once on squats, set the safeties too damn low, I'm stuck right underneath the bar and the safeties. Embarrassing as hell. And the roll of shame on bench. lol.


Added on June 15, 2012, 2:59 pm
u up plate by plate, i up 5lb by 5lb only -__- .

agree on your statement that mike is strong, he is strong as fuuaaaarrrrrrkkkkkkkk
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Twice roll of shame, once squat bailout for me.

Mike is strong, He is in the 400 lbs deadlift group biggrin.gif
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post Jun 15 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Jun 15 2012, 03:10 PM)
macros? training split?

@alien9 - yeah, strong mofo, I'm only deadlifting 1/4 of my BW. sad
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What's your bodyweight? 800 lbs? lol
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QUOTE(reddevilchoo @ Jun 15 2012, 11:49 PM)
Hi guys,

Need some opinion here.

Does this lower back bench could replace deadlift?

It's something like this

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I was planning to do deadlift in 1 week, then do this on the following week.

Thanks!
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It is the lower back extension and the answer is no. Why? Deadlift and Lower Back Extension (LBE) do work the lower back area but Deadlift have more advantages as more weight can be use compared to LBE. Furhter more, Deadlift is a compound exercises and by replacing it with LBE, you will lose all the worked muscle that deadlift will do.
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post Jun 16 2012, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(reddevilchoo @ Jun 16 2012, 12:01 AM)
Alright, can I do these 2 exercises together then?

Because I will train lats first, then middle back and last lower back.

Example:

Wide-grip pull up, pendley rows / dumbbell rows & deadlift

Is it okay?
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Well, if you want to do deadlift just for the sake of the lower back exercise, it depends. If you go for heavy deadlift, it need a lot of energy and might fatigue you and make the whole routine hard. For me, deadlift is more to the leg exercise as I do it on my leg day. For lower back, you might stick to LBE but it totally depends on you. That is just my opinion, other forumers might have different say on this matter.
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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Jun 16 2012, 09:21 PM)
Dont think i'm able to do pullovers due to my lower back. My spine has problems. So basically for appearances i should to close grip? Even lat pulldown, i should do close grip too? I always do wide grip.
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I can't do pullovers because of my shoulder. Pullovers shouldn't effect my shoulder right? It depends on your goal. If you want a wider lats, you should do close grip. If you want thickness, do wide grip. IMO, you should balance between these two grip so that your back will develop appropriately. Doesn't want you back to be wide but thin is it?
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QUOTE(Unomi @ Jun 17 2012, 12:31 PM)
Hey there, currently im trying to build my body but i think im under weight, my height is 178 CM and my weight is average 64kg.
Currently im taking 3 days a meal, drinking protein with full cream milk and i also did 1 hour 30 mins work out a day... like sit up , push up, carry 10 kg dumbbell and i also did cable exercise ...
May i know am i in the right track of building body?
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Find a good routine to start with.
Find a good diet to increase mass.

Btw, what exercise is "carry 10kg dumbbell"?
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post Jun 17 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(Unomi @ Jun 17 2012, 05:46 PM)
hmmm , so far i did it like 3 weeks, my weight increase from 62 kg to 64 kg. I find it very difficult to increase my weight and i ate a lot too...
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How lot is a lot? Mind telling us what you eat yesterday from breakfast till supper?
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QUOTE(Unomi @ Jun 17 2012, 06:11 PM)
hmmm, i dont eat supper. but then i eat more than usual like compare with other ppl.
I cant really specific tell you what i ate cause is too many... Lol
Maybe like the portion of 1.5x compare with normal ppl...
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Come on, don't be shy. Tell us how many do you eat compared to lot of people.
I'm eager to hear about it rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Jun 17 2012, 09:37 PM)
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I'm not good at judging for bodybuilding competition but your friend is huge compared to another 4 guys.
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Jun 17 2012, 10:50 PM)
I fap every 2 hours and its fine
just dont fap before you workout
eat more eggs
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Agree with you. Don't fap before workout. Super tired and your cns will sweat.gif
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post Jun 20 2012, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(wildcat90 @ Jun 20 2012, 01:20 AM)
Nice album you got there. First time I see local bodybuilding photo events. Anyway, congratulation on your 2nd placing. rclxms.gif
p.s: Melody kinda hot there. Haha
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QUOTE(andyfriends @ Jun 20 2012, 03:05 PM)
just to check, my revised bb plan.

Monday and Thursday      - Back and Chest
Tuesday and Friday  - Biceps, Triceps, Shoulders and Deltoids
Wednesday - Cardio and legs.

Of course, I will try to add cardio in between whenever i have the time.

how does it sound? okay boh?
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First of all, shoulder = deltoids.

For me, it is better if you pair a large muscle group with a small muscle group together than 2 large muscle groups in one session.
Perhaps, you can do Back and Shoulder day, A Leg day and a Chest and Arms day (both bicep and tricep).

And don't make a Leg and Cardio day. If you want to do cardio, do it either on the rest day (if you have one) or after finish your daily routine. Btw, after you train your leg, I don't think that you will still able to do cardio, unless you didn't train your leg enough.
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QUOTE(andyfriends @ Jun 20 2012, 04:09 PM)
Thanks for the clarification on deltoids smile.gif.

Initially, I was doing it as you suggested, big plus small muscle groups.  However, I read from a health magazine suggesting the method which I have set out above.  I cant remember for what purpose was that. hence, I modified mine. 

I do like 8 x 8/(6) sufficient ah? if wanna grow muscle.

For legs, I normally do cardio, then legs.

Cardio, yes, I do it after my weight training.

I think I need to focus in dieting now.  I have bad diet, dinner at almost 10pm everyday.  sigh.
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Health magazine is not a very reliable source of information IMO. Do 10 minute warm up cardio to get the blood pumping then straight do your workout. After you've done your workout, then you do you cardio. Why? 1 hour of cardio is a lot of fatigue and that fatigue will make your form bad, your sets sucks which would be very dangerous to do. And, again, if you train your leg properly with enough volume and weight, I don't think that you can do cardio after that.

If you mean by hypertrophy, a 3x8/3x12 is good enough.
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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 20 2012, 05:36 PM)
Hi guys.

I'm 179-180cm at 56kg (underweight) so I recently started my gym life like two weeks ago at Jaya 33's true fitness.

So after asking some of my bigger size friends who were well, quite buff themselves, I came up with this routine:
Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays with 5 reps of Squats, 3 reps of deadlifts (not too sure about this one) and 5 reps of benchpressing.
I was advised to avoid targeting the small muscle groups with machines like the biscep curl machine and work on my core first because it's bleeding weak (can't do more than 2 chin-ups D:)

On another note, my fellow skinny friend (who started at the beginning of the year and gained nearly 10kg's already) told me that I shouldn't do deadlifts and squats alone in the gym alone because he got laughed at when he started out with the bar and 5kg's, also that it's dangerous to do so without someone watching your form.
So just to check...Any improvements that can be made with my routine or am I doing it completely wrong? (better I get it right from the start haha)
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Your buff friends are correct. It is advisable for beginner to start with compound routines such as what you have constructed or you can always use stronglifts 5x5, 5/3/1, starting strength routine. All these routines are compound routines but some of them have accessory works, others have more than 3 exercises that you list down.

About your skinny friends, he is half right and half wrong. Squat and Deadlift are dangerous when you performed it wrong, that is why, the three above routines suggest that you start with low weight (empty bar) and progressive loading. Every time you managed to do 5 sets of 5 reps of squat, you add 5lbs of weight (stronglifts 5x5). Then, the form will slowly come if you learn about it.
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QUOTE(potemkin @ Jun 20 2012, 07:01 PM)
Dudes question , during cutting do you change your workout program ?

I do agree that fat/weight loss is mainly due to diet , but we proceed with lifting anyways for body recomp purposes (correct ?).

If that 's the case i'm thinking should i use a fullbody routine at lower weights (like allpros)  or stick at my current program (5/3/1) and try to lower intensity ?

What about the guys here ?

Currently 18 - 20 % BF after a bulk and after going through Anthony Mychal's page on skinnyfats i'm thinking of cutting seriously to sub 10% Bf if it's possible while retaining my current lifts
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You are correct about fat loss is due to diet, but doing weightlifting will ensure that minimal loss of muscle during cutting period. So, just stick to your bulking routine while cutting.

But then, there are also several routine that is good for fat loss. We know that cardio burn fat, but HIIT does it better IMO. I've tried a HIIT routine one where 4 compound exercises are being group into one circuit. Between each exercise, you rest 15 seconds and it was fantastic. The amount of sweat that I've produce in an air-condition room was unbelievable. Why don't you give a HIIT routine a try?
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jun 21 2012, 02:36 PM)
Lol, but sometimes you could not blame a guy. I say one old guy doing a very partial squat and the trainer did not even advice them the proper technique. Hell, I ask the trainer to become a 'spotter' when I do bench press and he actually lift it for me for the whole rep. I mean you spot not help... but hes a nice guy but trainer should really do what they pay for... train.
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jun 21 2012, 02:44 PM)
Yeah. Some are just not aware. Who knows, maybe some day they'll come to senses upon reading and they can correct others. hehe.
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Everyone can be a PT if they want but the knowledge that they have will determine if they are a good PT or not. Like in my gym, all the PTs are giving advice that I must do cardio exercise to lose the fat before start doing weightlifting which is for me is very wrong as the best way to lose fat would be by weightlifting. So, I rated all of them as bad and try not to follow their advices unless I've done my own research. And yeah, they are fine with partial squat sweat.gif

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