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alien9
post Jan 22 2013, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Arrio @ Jan 22 2013, 09:19 AM)
Hahaha... Yup time to get to know each other better then smile.gif .. Anyway, since this is Bodybuilding Thread, I worry such sarcasm may lead newbies to nowhere, and start pouring 2g/bodyweight hahaha.. If insufficient of water, gosh! .... You know how naive some newbies, they believe every word by some "experienced" body-transformer eh.. I read some questions posted like how to "JUST" wanna bigger strong chest ONLY, and lots more.. Lack of initiative and not being pro-active is really a main issue  sad.gif
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Well apparently, in BB world, there are a lot of information and it can be either broscience or legit information. With that comes in mind, one shouldn't just trust an information based on just one source. You have to find multiple sources to back up the info that you got.

Just like about the protein intake. Some say that it should be 1g per 1lbs bodyweight, some say that 1.5-2 g per bodyweight. Which one is it? Is the physique of the person who gives such advices are going to be the decison making factor? Most newb does that but apparently they are wrong.

I guess the sarcasm teaches the newb 'indirectly' about choosing the right source of info. Or they just like to do it biggrin.gif
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post Jan 22 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Jan 22 2013, 10:55 AM)
hi guys, i have reado over stickies thread. Have tried to digest those good informations on lean foods, pre, post workout foods. i still have not go out buy all those ingredients and plan for my own meal, althought it was in my mind.

in short term since still work on daily (630am-7am) pushup between 12x (4 reps) to 15x (7 reps), i notice i getting even more skinny in my waist. Now i understand i need to have shake protein after workout BUT before my breakfast (820am - fried rice+noddles+2 eggs white).

wonder which shake protein is good for me and can purchase locally? i heard something it has BCAA... do i need to get this as well? thanks in advance!
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You've read the stickies thread and yet you still comes to that conclusion? Which thread does you referring too? Might have to edit it because it is damn broscience (I toned down my sarcasm a lot here biggrin.gif ).



QUOTE(Arrio @ Jan 22 2013, 10:57 AM)
Agreed... Therefore I suggest Newbies to BB World, start doing some homework, otherwise you be might shooting some wrong pots, pitting at wrong stop tongue.gif
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We have a lot of pinned thread in this sections. The bb + strength routine composed by darklight79 (good stuff I tell you), the weight loss, the weight gain, proper pre workout nutrition, 6 packs section and a lot others but it seems that people are neglecting those abundance of info that has been well written it all those thread and keep asking the same questions all over again sweat.gif


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post Jan 25 2013, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Kaffatsum @ Jan 24 2013, 10:55 PM)
a lil off topic
why do so many people praise starting strength? i found that program to be useless especially if training with a bodybuilding-mind purpose.. opinions?
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SS is one of the routine that emphasizes compound exercises in it. Same as 5/3/1, stronglifts etc. People who advocate strength routine for beginner would say that beginner have the best CNS to teach them compound movements. Start them early, they'll be good (that's not what I said).

Secondly, those compound movement increase your strength. Sure, you don't need to lift heavy ass weight to build muscle mass for BB purposes but just imagine that you are using deads as one of the back building exercises. By able to lift 300lbs ++ compare to 150lbs for the same reps and sets, which one will have better results out of it? (and yes, you can argue about the carry over from one exercises to another).

That's just my 2 cent thou.
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QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 26 2013, 03:41 PM)
do u know what u want to ask ?
what is this ? kopitiam ?lol

just to quote that u dont agree with me but without valid points ?

i can prove i am correct all day long

u can disagree with me but dont quote me for nothing if u cannot prove me wrong lol

since this is a post count section . another example of strength vs bb

bb is for apparent, but we dont know the true strength(performance), can be as good as it appears to be or less

strength, is the focus of getting the thing lifted/endurance/stamina etc ..depends on how they define it, body apparent is secondary.
100kg bb guy might max lift up 300kg max

but 70kg strength guy max lift up till 400kg max

which means strength is the performance but bb is all about apparent
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and both of them need to recruit muscle fiber to do the exercises be it for strength or BB so those two will somehow rather gonna get injured which makes you wrong at the part where

QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 26 2013, 03:08 AM)
strength let u avoid injuries

BB is about getting big

u dont wan have big body and later on injure urself like small kids lol
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post Jan 26 2013, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 26 2013, 03:55 PM)
u called that injuries ?lol

i didnt know slight muscle soreness in/after training is called injuries lol
injuries i meant is some significant damages to ur body, dislocated joint, serious back pain, etc
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I don't give any injuries example at my post so what are you quoting me for? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 26 2013, 04:07 PM)
okay, what i mean is bb guy prone to injury vs strength guy

it isnt the same for both likelihood of getting injured doing the same tasks

bb guy will always more prone to injury compare to strength training guy
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And do you have any statistics or facts to back up your claim?
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QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 26 2013, 05:26 PM)
do injured gym trainees go to doctor and report themselves as bb or strength trainees ?
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so u can go and do a research and prove me wrong

okay

let me form an defined analogy.

lets say a 100kg boxer(strength) can deliver a punch so strong to ur face and crack ur skull, and nothing  happen to his fist etc
because he knows how to punch nicely.

but a 120kg bb, with a an arm bigger than the boxer, he punches ur face, not only his deliver force is lesser that it wouldnt crack ur skull, but he broke his knuckle too.
because he knows only how to make his muscle bigger, not necessary stronger/skillful
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so you are generalizing that all bb are stupid cause only know how to pump the muscle without doing it perfect form?
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QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 26 2013, 11:13 PM)
lol

this is not PM, it's public forum
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as if i purposely reply to him only, lame guys do that think can get away the debate LOL

someone like u would quote it and he got to read it eventually

so who is being outsmarted here lol?

and DL pretends as if he didnt see my post based on the 'question mark'

come on, i usually dont like to ignite flame in healthy discussion ... but nvm .. LOL
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It would be best if you stop. I'm not siding with DL or you but this is getting nowhere and the topic that you've created, I would say that it is so incorrect. The analogies that you've made doesn't even being support with any cold hard fact, just a situation between a boxer and BB who throw punches. A bad generalization stating that BB only know how to pump but there is a 6 times Mr. O that comes out with perfect form mentality so your generalization clearly don't works.

I'll advice you to stop cause right now, you are increasing your post count with unworthy posts.
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post Jan 26 2013, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Manlet @ Jan 26 2013, 11:16 PM)
hmm... true  biggrin.gif  thanks alot hope i can actually look like i lift after 1 year
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You can but you had to keep in mind. Most people (even me) put so much effort on the workout but they neglect the nutrition part. The nutrition is the most important aspect that would determine whether you had a good progress or not. Best if you keep your nutrition as main priority (this applied to me aswell tongue.gif ). Goodluck smile.gif
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Jan 26 2013, 11:25 PM)
i got not much fund as pocket money  hmm.gif  very hard to eat high protein.. usually only getting about 80g on rest day and maybe 130g on workout days

the rest i fill them randomly with carbs or fats  hmm.gif

but i make sure im taking enough calorie for bulking
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Quoting DL here, carbs is much more important for bulking compared to protein.
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Jan 26 2013, 11:45 PM)
lol so i actually did it right? compare to my mates that eating up to 200g of protein a day  hmm.gif
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Some people would say that you need at least 1g per 1lbs bodyweight. Some people say more, some people say it should be lower.
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QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 26 2013, 11:59 PM)
baseless ?
obviously u are baseless on in strength training experts

have u ever seen strength trainee nailing nail into 3 inch wood without injury ? no ?

comparing human and human

how it becomes orange and apple ?

it's ur opinion that boxer hence become best athlete ..i didnt say that lol
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shows us the prove then
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QUOTE(GodTier @ Jan 27 2013, 12:13 AM)
wait ...later I find for u, LOL

u really never watch ?
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No prove? Later? Not all powerlifter can do the 'thing' that you said (even if it is real). The way you said just like all powerlifter can do it and no immediate vids from you. LOL


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QUOTE(-Dan @ Jan 27 2013, 12:18 AM)
Again, you're implying that training for bodybuilding doesn't make a person stronger in the progress. I don't like this phrase, but seriously, do you even lift brah?
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He thinks that BB only lift 10kg dumbbell for barbell curl even for Mr. O level. And he doesn't even know what is Mr. O and still dare to say what he said.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jan 27 2013, 12:34 AM)
Are you guys really entertaining this troll? Don't make yourselves look like idiots please. I can't see his posts but I know you're making so much effort into trying to debate with him. Kinda disappointed in you all. Lol. So gullible and trollolable.
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My last post to him was meant to know for sure if he's a troll or not (forgive for my poor judgement) and he is; big time. All yapping nonsense analogy no prove what so ever. No wonder he's on your ignore list biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jan 29 2013, 01:41 PM)
Why cant you squat and deadlift on the same day? Explain.

Just because you dont agree with SS does not make it stupid. Youre just narrow minded. If the program can increase the trainees poundages then its working. No difference with the split you suggested.
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I didn't agree with joeblows about no squats and deads on the same day but here's my 2 cent.

I've been on Stronglifts 5x5 for almost a year and there are some days that you are doing squats and deads on the same day. A lot of people are fine with that cause SL 5x5 have a great community (users) and a paid forum too.

But while I'm on SL, it is quite hard to do max squats and max deads on the same day (I emphasizes the max) because the energy that you need for both exercises. So I changed into max squats with dynamic deads and dynamics squats with max deads. That way, I can do the squats and deads with good form.

Maybe it is just me, or maybe because I was training fasting (IF) but everyone can do it so it is not stupid. That's the point
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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 31 2013, 12:35 AM)
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Dang... that's so much to read, and complicated as hell. So the general consensus here is that the notion of post-workout window in the everyday context is either non-existent, or non-worthy to fret about, am I right?
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That is correct. The anaBROlic window is more on the supplement marketing side which want people to buy protein supps in order to meet the window. What would be the best meal to consumed within 30 minutes of workout? Protein supps is the answer, and lots of people fell for it
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QUOTE(DT1 @ Jan 31 2013, 01:07 AM)
Aight. Btw here's a post that gives some credits to BCAAs. Now if you guys could kindly comment on whether it's bs or not, would appreciate it. Could probably drop it off the supps list if it's deemed ineffective (pre & post wo consumption min. 5g + 10g as recommended by Layne).
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I do believe that BCAA have it's own purpose in supplement industry. The first supps that I bought is BCAA from GNC (yeah, I know doh.gif ) to accommodate my fasted training using IF protocol. One thing that BCAA helped is that hey prevent catabolism that happened during workout since I'm training fasted and no protein source is available in the blood stream after 15 to 16 hours of training but you can't see the effect of BCAA on catabolism.

Another one thing is that I've notice the energy level by consuming BCAA against not consuming BCAA while in fasted training. Sure, it must be something if it gives energy (Placebo effect, IDK).

But one thing for sure, Marc Lobliner (Ex CEO of Scivation) have pour some huge amount of money in order to make a study on BCAAs and if you do managed to read on the researches, I'll doubt that it is fake.

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