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r4dic4l
post Apr 2 2012, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(kding2 @ Mar 30 2012, 07:15 PM)
Nice spirit, but i doubt it is going to make a difference unless the prize money is RM2000 above.  sad.gif
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it's not about the prize money. it's about the amateurs not wanting to play competitively because of their mindset thinking that all the tournaments will be dominated by the same people. we have to think of a way to fix that and spotgamers and cyberfusion have come up with an idea of groupings in their league. currently, everyone is at Grade C. if we get more support, the pros will move to Grade B and the amateurs will come in at Grade C. hence, everyone is a winner! the thing we need now is more exposure!
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post Apr 2 2012, 03:31 PM

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post Apr 2 2012, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(r4dic4l @ Apr 2 2012, 12:51 PM)
it's not about the prize money. it's about the amateurs not wanting to play competitively because of their mindset thinking that all the tournaments will be dominated by the same people. we have to think of a way to fix that and spotgamers and cyberfusion have come up with an idea of groupings in their league. currently, everyone is at Grade C. if we get more support, the pros will move to Grade B and the amateurs will come in at Grade C. hence, everyone is a winner! the thing we need now is more exposure!
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Exposure means nothing if the prize money is low. Trust me, if msia tournament prize money is Rm10,000 above, you can see all nerds, students and etc start training like a mad man. In fact, even I will force myself click the 1v1 ladder quick match for training.





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post Apr 2 2012, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(kding2 @ Apr 2 2012, 07:31 PM)
Exposure means nothing if the prize money is low. Trust me, if msia tournament prize money is Rm10,000 above, you can see all nerds, students and etc start training like a mad man. In fact, even I will force myself click the 1v1 ladder quick match for training.
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You honestly think so ? IF a 1k prize pool tourney , and the numbers who turn up is so low , I personally don't think that a 10k tourney is in place ,all the lower tier players or the people you mention would turn up. Instead i think the number of foreigners participating would be high . LoL

Like the recent Spotgamers tourney , the number of foreigners that turn up for the open qualifier last Saturday , was almost equal to the Malaysians that participated. What am i trying to say is ,the amount of Malaysians that even bother participating is pathetic .About the prize pool, is RM 1k big to the foreigners ? honestly no . Barely covers their accommodation and transportation , and this is taking into account in the event where you get first place , but the foreigners still did come down and had fun and compete .

Spotgamers even made it in a way where the top 16 gets rewarded , which is a good initiative by them , not to mention the lucky draws as well as freebies .
The platform is there , with tournaments popping up here and there , but what we are lacking are the players . How hard is it to join a tournament , be it as a casual or a competitive player ? its like another platform to get to know other players as well as socializing, apart from competing .


In short , no matter what the exposure is ,how big the tourneys are , if the community does not change their mindset like what radical mentioned , it would be futile as well .


I don't mean any offence to anyone , nor is it targeted towards any individual , just my thoughts after the 2 days event at spotgamers .

I still can't wait for the day where all the missing links would just turn up at a SC2 tourney , with a 64 player bracket biggrin.gif .





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post Apr 2 2012, 08:46 PM

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ow man ..... this is bad news for sc2 gamers ?
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post Apr 2 2012, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(silkworm.zc @ Apr 2 2012, 08:37 PM)
You honestly think so ?  IF a 1k prize pool tourney , and the numbers who turn up is so low , I personally don't think that a 10k tourney is in place ,all the lower tier players or the people you mention would turn up. Instead i think the number of foreigners participating would be high . LoL 

Like the recent Spotgamers tourney , the number of foreigners that turn up for the open qualifier last Saturday , was almost equal to the Malaysians that participated. What am i trying to say is ,the amount of Malaysians that even bother participating is pathetic .About the prize pool, is RM 1k big to the foreigners ? honestly no . Barely covers their accommodation and transportation , and this is taking into account in the event where  you get first place , but the foreigners still did come down and had fun and compete .

Spotgamers even made it in a way where the top 16 gets rewarded , which is a good initiative by them , not to mention the lucky draws as well as freebies .
The platform is there , with tournaments popping up here and there , but what we are lacking are the players . How hard is it to join a tournament , be it as a casual or a competitive player ? its like another platform to get to know other players as well as socializing, apart from competing .
In short , no matter what the exposure is ,how big the tourneys are , if the community does not  change their mindset like what radical mentioned , it would be futile as well .
I don't mean any offence to anyone , nor is it targeted towards any individual , just my thoughts after the 2 days event at spotgamers .

I still can't wait for the day where all  the missing links would just turn up at a SC2 tourney , with a  64 player bracket biggrin.gif .
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yeah man if not for spotgamer and cyberfusion's starcraft 2 tournament i wouldn't have had the chance to meet awesomely imba ppl like silkworm HAHAHAHA biggrin.gif tongue.gif

edit: and timber and cobo brows.gif

edit 2: and everyone else wub.gif

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good job silkworm
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post Apr 2 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(silkworm.zc @ Apr 2 2012, 08:37 PM)
You honestly think so ?  IF a 1k prize pool tourney , and the numbers who turn up is so low , I personally don't think that a 10k tourney is in place ,all the lower tier players or the people you mention would turn up. Instead i think the number of foreigners participating would be high . LoL 

Like the recent Spotgamers tourney , the number of foreigners that turn up for the open qualifier last Saturday , was almost equal to the Malaysians that participated. What am i trying to say is ,the amount of Malaysians that even bother participating is pathetic .About the prize pool, is RM 1k big to the foreigners ? honestly no . Barely covers their accommodation and transportation , and this is taking into account in the event where  you get first place , but the foreigners still did come down and had fun and compete .

Spotgamers even made it in a way where the top 16 gets rewarded , which is a good initiative by them , not to mention the lucky draws as well as freebies .
The platform is there , with tournaments popping up here and there , but what we are lacking are the players . How hard is it to join a tournament , be it as a casual or a competitive player ? its like another platform to get to know other players as well as socializing, apart from competing .
In short , no matter what the exposure is ,how big the tourneys are , if the community does not  change their mindset like what radical mentioned , it would be futile as well .
I don't mean any offence to anyone , nor is it targeted towards any individual , just my thoughts after the 2 days event at spotgamers .

I still can't wait for the day where all  the missing links would just turn up at a SC2 tourney , with a  64 player bracket biggrin.gif .
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So, you are basically saying that msian, who discarded their pathetic mindsets and attitudes, and completely dedicate to SC2 will take part of the tournament even if the prize money is Rm10?

I wonder, will GSL or MLG going to be successful if the prize is $50 for the 1st place? hmm.gif
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post Apr 2 2012, 10:48 PM

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I think what SC2 needed in Malaysia right now is exposure, and then people (like day9) to actually educate those player to have the correct mindsets.
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(kding2 @ Apr 2 2012, 10:42 PM)
So, you are basically saying that msian, who discarded their pathetic mindsets and attitudes, and completely dedicate to SC2 will take part of the tournament even if the prize money is Rm10?

I wonder, will GSL or MLG going to be successful if the prize is $50 for the 1st place?  hmm.gif
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I never mention anything about total dedication , everyone has their own social life / work life / student life etc . And just so you know , our Singapore counter parts , share with us that their recent tourney in singapore , with no prize pool , attracted a crowd of players to participate ranging from 30 to 40 people . am I not amazed lol.

On the other side , I do agree prize pool plays a role , but giving an example of rm10 for the prize pool is way out of line , sorry to say . but looking at the recent tourney of spot gamers , i do think their prize pool is decent for our SC2 community, 1000 for first , 700 for 2nd , 400 for 3rd, 250 for 4th, 150 from 5 to 8th and 75 9 -16th,but what are the numbers of Malaysian SC2 gamers that participated ? = /


Back to the table topic ,

And to SC gamers out there , if you guys want to play a part in disallowing the SC community from dying in Malaysia , for those who has free time during their weekend, do participate in the Taylors tournament , be it for the prize pool , the networking among start craft 2 players , or just go and grasp the feeling of competing among fellow Malaysian gamers . Cheers .
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post Apr 3 2012, 02:05 PM

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I fully support the StarCraft 2 community. But in my hometown, looks like its less than 10 player overall. Huhuuuuu .. cry.gif

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post Apr 3 2012, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(silkworm.zc @ Apr 3 2012, 12:50 AM)
I never mention anything about total dedication , everyone has their own social life / work life / student life etc .  And just so you know , our Singapore counter parts  , share with us that their recent tourney in singapore , with no prize pool , attracted a crowd of players to participate ranging  from 30 to 40 people .  am I not amazed lol.

On the other side , I do agree prize pool plays a role , but giving an example of rm10 for the prize pool is way out of line , sorry to say . but looking at the recent tourney of spot gamers ,  i do think their prize pool is decent for our SC2 community, 1000 for first , 700 for 2nd , 400 for 3rd, 250 for 4th, 150 from 5 to 8th and 75 9 -16th,but what are the numbers of Malaysian SC2 gamers that participated ?  = /
Back to the table topic ,

And to SC gamers out there , if you guys want to play a part in disallowing the SC community from dying in Malaysia ,  for those who has free time during their weekend, do participate in the Taylors tournament , be it for the prize pool , the networking among start craft 2 players , or just go and grasp the feeling of competing among fellow Malaysian gamers  .  Cheers .
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and for the gaming mousepad also xD
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post Apr 4 2012, 10:49 AM

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at my place only got the pirated version of starcraft II player biggrin.gif
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post Apr 4 2012, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(stimCocain @ Apr 1 2012, 03:48 AM)
still thinks its not much related to FXO or anything but piracy and many have not try playing sc2 before or even heard of it, I think if there is a big public show and demo for the public the game will rise back, and the price is abit steep for malaysian as most of us are used to pirated dvd comparison to an original game the gap is too big for malaysians to accept it
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Well, price is too steep. US$60 is a lot of money for it given that I hear the campaign is too short. I've been waiting for price to fall, but since it's release date it never fell.

If Blizzard really want to make money, they should try offering the title at 75% discount sale like Steam. I won't think twice if the game's only RM45, but RM180... Given that Blizzard's owned by Activision tho, Kotick is probably too greedy to even consider...

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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Apr 4 2012, 10:57 AM)
Well, price is too steep. US$60 is a lot of money for it given that I hear the campaign is too short. I've been waiting for price to fall, but since it's release date it never fell.

If Blizzard really want to make money, they should try offering the title at 75% discount sale like Steam. I won't think twice if the game's only RM45, but RM180... Given that Blizzard's owned by Activision tho, Kotick is probably too greedy to even consider...
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Typical Malaysian mentality, want diamonds, but will only pay peanuts.

the US60$ is not just for the campaign (even that isn't THAT short, its still 10+ hours long I think) but for the Multiplayer feature.

The multiplayer is MASSIVE in features, from the thousands of minigames in customs (Star Battle is already enough to soak up all your time) to the always updating map pools of league games.


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I have no friends to play 2v2 now. so sad. sad.gif
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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Apr 4 2012, 10:57 AM)
Well, price is too steep. US$60 is a lot of money for it given that I hear the campaign is too short. I've been waiting for price to fall, but since it's release date it never fell.

If Blizzard really want to make money, they should try offering the title at 75% discount sale like Steam. I won't think twice if the game's only RM45, but RM180... Given that Blizzard's owned by Activision tho, Kotick is probably too greedy to even consider...
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its nt short at all...
it'll take u around 20-30 hours to completely complete the campaign and other SP stuffs such as the challenges...

the main attraction of SC2 is really the MP...
i have spent like loads of hours on it both alone and with my frens/ clanmates...
it is totally worth the 160bucks i paid for it and i am still playing it with my frens up to today...
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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Apr 4 2012, 10:57 AM)
Well, price is too steep. US$60 is a lot of money for it given that I hear the campaign is too short. I've been waiting for price to fall, but since it's release date it never fell.

If Blizzard really want to make money, they should try offering the title at 75% discount sale like Steam. I won't think twice if the game's only RM45, but RM180... Given that Blizzard's owned by Activision tho, Kotick is probably too greedy to even consider...
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In case you didn't know, the price dropped significantly and you can get a lot of good deals online. Blizzard is not owned by Activision, they just did a merger. And like other players say, it's not about the "short" single player but the multi player experience that is the real deal!!!
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those ppl who complain the SP is short...
basically those are the ones who go jack sparrow the game
heck,even the starter edition are free now,for ALL REGIONS TOO!!

& even the game itself was only <RM160 nowadays...i bought one for my friend as a sign of congratulations & complimentary for him to continue playing sc2 (previously he only go for the 30-day prepaid card)
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post Apr 4 2012, 05:09 PM

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I would definitely participate in a tourney with minimal prize pool. Spotgamers is being more than generous imo. Top 16 is very achievable for the lower tier players and what not.

A lot of people don't understand that it takes participation for the prize pool to get bigger. Sponsors would hardly dip their pockets into a bad investment.

The root of the problem here as silk said, is the mindset and perception towards joining tourneys!


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