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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 2-1 Everton- FA CUP FINAL NEXT

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anip94
post Apr 10 2012, 11:52 AM

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i think kenny just experimenting with the tactics in the league since we got nothing to play for.
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post Apr 10 2012, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(anip94 @ Apr 10 2012, 11:52 AM)
i think kenny just experimenting with the tactics in the league since we got nothing to play for.
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seriously? What u means, KD anggap BPL as game rather than match rclxms.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 10 2012, 05:24 AM)
Barcelona is Barcelona tongue.gif they are from a different planet!! They only compete with a few teams for La Liga and Spanish domestic titles. We've got to compete with Man City, Man United and Chelsea who can spend! Plus Spurs, Arsenal and Newcastle now.

They did go trophyless for 4 years between 5 managers (see, changing of managers). And Rijkaard won his first title in his second season (time given).

Anyways, the current Barcelona squad consists of a manager who played under the system revamped by then manager, Johan Cruyff and players who grew up playing in the la masia academy revamped by Cruyff so basically they've got a manager and the players all playing in the same way practically their whole life.

Same can't be said about us.
Yes, he 'built' the current squad but it is never going to be a walk in a park when you put in four or five new players in the team at once and hope they win titles. He's had to get rid of alot of deadwood players - Konchesky, Cole, Poulsen, El Zhar, Degen and such.
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In any team, there is bound to be some "deadwood" players.
Building a better Liverpool team is the order of the day. This is what is facing KD. LFC has been out of the CL for the past 2 or 3 seasons, so the rebuilding / remodelling of the team will be a slow and ardous. But give KD a chance, just like SAF started out with MU in the late 1980s (that time LFC rules the English Football scene)

My analysis :
1) The team style of play have been over-reliant on 1 or 2 players. Nothing wrong with that, as other teams also did that like MU relying on CRonaldo and Rooney, Chelsea relying on Lampard and Terry etc. Whereas KD is trying to instill a system of pass and move, like what Barca or Arsenal is doing and not relying on 1 or 2 players, given time, this system should bear fruit. I hope KD will elevated the youth players from LFC and after 2 or 3 years, the system shold bear fruits. Of course, the current players in the team now like Spearo, Flanagan, Jonjo etc - these are young lads to build the team for the future.

2) LFC used to play (during Houllier and Rafa times) defensive and counter attacking style of football. This type of game is good for fast, pacey strikers (eg. Owen, Torres, Suarez). I believe KD is trying to build a team who plays a controlling type of gam through "pass and move". That's why KD is playing the youngsters even though they may be underperforming in order to built a close knitted team where everyone play to a system. (Like what is happening in Barca who have Iniesta, Xavi, Messi etc.) KD brought in Henderson, Spearo etc to supplement the lack of talent in LFC youth academy....

3) I agree that some of the current buys during KD time is questionable but how much can LFC expect these players after > 6 months with the team from tactical point of view. Adam use to be the "general" in midfield (attacking wise), but here, he support Gerrard and is on a holding role and Carrol came from a team that plays direct football, and with ample supply of good crosses. But is he getting enuf quality crossess at Liverpool?

All in all, this season is definitely gone for LFC in not getting the League Championship except one League Cup trophy and hopefully win it with a FA Cup.
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post Apr 10 2012, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(demio121 @ Apr 9 2012, 10:44 PM)
Technically, Aquilani is on loan now, not sold though i'm sure he prefer to stay in Italy.  Meireles is one that we should have try holding on to but if a player heart is set to leave, there no use forcing him to stay.
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letting players leave just because they requested is stupid and weak, imo. and kd's policy that anyone that wants to leave, can leave made him look naive and weak. he should learn a thing or two from saf and rednap
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post Apr 10 2012, 12:50 PM

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Do note that, signing of Andy Carroll is a hasty and deperate decision. Downing & Enrique wasn't our first choice, as we're looking for Ashley Young & Clinchy but they prefer the mancs. Phil Jones & Connor Wickham also snubbed us.

With the policy FSG implements (young & wage control) & the lack of Champions League football, we'll be unattractive for a lot of big & promising names you guys dream of.

This is no fantasy football, we really have to look into the mirror and admit that we're no longer an elite that we once was.

With KD experience of working with our Academy, maybe this is the best period for KD gradually brings in the youngsters. Like how Newcastle has gone through after they're relegated.

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post Apr 10 2012, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(imin @ Apr 10 2012, 12:36 PM)
letting players leave just because they requested is stupid and weak, imo. and kd's policy that anyone that wants to leave, can leave made him look naive and weak. he should learn a thing or two from saf and rednap
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no.. he should learn from Moyes tongue.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 01:30 PM

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My friend just sent me a message, "There's no longer any hope for LFC, man."
Wanted to reply "have faith, bro" but it wouldn't be the first time, so nah.
Pessimism spreads far and wide. sad.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 01:50 PM

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Everton with basically zero transfer kitty are 4 points ahead of us doh.gif


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post Apr 10 2012, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 10 2012, 01:50 PM)
Everton with basically zero transfer kitty are 4 points ahead of us doh.gif
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Can Liverpool bounce back tonight? Pls I beg u Reds.... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(rickk @ Apr 10 2012, 01:57 PM)
Can Liverpool bounce back tonight? Pls I beg u Reds....  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Don't count on it.We are probably gonna get the ''we deserved to win'' or ''we dominated today'' excuses after the game.
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post Apr 10 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 10 2012, 02:03 PM)
Don't count on it.We are probably gonna get the ''we deserved to win'' or ''we dominated today'' excuses after the game.
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Again, hv faith pal, have faith!! YNWA! haha
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post Apr 10 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(rickk @ Apr 10 2012, 02:16 PM)
Again, hv faith pal, have faith!! YNWA! haha
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Faith can help you when you are down at istanbul at half time or in a penalty shoot out.But faith can't help you for a full season when lack of quality is apparent and poor tactics is employed time and time again.

Anyway,united fans a.k.a bandwagoners are back at doing what they do best- talk shit about liverpool

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post Apr 10 2012, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(sifekangel @ Apr 10 2012, 12:59 PM)
no.. he should learn from Moyes  tongue.gif
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I guess, KD should learn from all the better and more senior people like SAF, AW, Rednapp, Moyes etc.
These people learn the hard way all these years and has plentiful experience of turning mediocre team into match winners.
SAF - no need to elaborate as one can see where MU stood in the English Premier League.
AW - look at how he transform a young Arsenal team after losing key players like Fabregas, Nasri etc.
Rednapp - 2 or 3 seasons ago, Spurs were a mid-table team, but they are chasing the top 4 spot nowadays.
Moyes - my hats off to this guy; after building a quite a good team from a bunch of average players many seasons ago, he lost some players in the transfer market in the next seasons (Eg. Players like Arteta has gone to Arsenal)and Moyes has to build a again and he never stop building and building. Finally he has a team in the top 6 - 8 placing in the Premier League.


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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 10 2012, 01:50 PM)
Everton with basically zero transfer kitty are 4 points ahead of us doh.gif
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Go figure.
Stability (in faith do Evertonians trust in Moyes) in the coaching and management of the football club.

This post has been edited by pingpang: Apr 10 2012, 03:03 PM
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post Apr 10 2012, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(pingpang @ Apr 10 2012, 03:02 PM)
I guess, KD should learn from all the better and more senior people like SAF, AW, Rednapp, Moyes etc.
These people learn the hard way all these years and has plentiful experience of turning mediocre team into match winners.
SAF - no need to elaborate as one can see where MU stood in the English Premier League.
AW - look at how he transform a young Arsenal team after losing key players like Fabregas, Nasri etc.
Rednapp - 2 or 3 seasons ago, Spurs were a mid-table team, but they are chasing the top 4 spot nowadays.
Moyes - my hats off to this guy; after building a quite a good team from a bunch of average players many seasons ago, he lost some players in the transfer market in the next seasons (Eg. Players like Arteta has gone to Arsenal)and Moyes has to build a again and he never stop building and building. Finally he has a team in the top 6 - 8 placing in the Premier League.


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Go figure.
Stability (in faith do Evertonians trust in Moyes) in the coaching and management of the football club.
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Wa if KD learn both of them, KD can become GOD liao... shocking.gif
IMO, what KD should learn is learn from himself, don't be so stuborn!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 10 2012, 01:50 PM)
Everton with basically zero transfer kitty are 4 points ahead of us doh.gif
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Moyes turn ash into gold.. example, Rooney, Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Jagielka, Lescott, Baines, Howard, Gibson, Rodwell, Heitinga...
while, Liverpool turn gold into ash.. example, Caroll, Henderson, Maxi, El hadji diouf, Babel, Dossena, Voronin, Aquilani, Josemi, Morientes, KEANE!!
with tat bunch of money, i think Moyes can build 2 teams tat can compete in top 10... tongue.gif tongue.gif

but of course, Liverpool do make good signing, Enrique, Skrtel... Enrique, Skrtel... Enrique, Skrtel... any1 else? or maybe "The Actor" - Suarez?? blush.gif

80% of Kenny's transfer have failed
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post Apr 10 2012, 03:34 PM

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no Carra plz!!!...put on Coates rolleyes.gif






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post Apr 10 2012, 03:39 PM

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No trolling intended, but look at this link :-
Kenny Dalglish talks of conspiracy
Now he is saying that referees are conspiring against Liverpool doh.gif
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post Apr 10 2012, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(HateFakers @ Apr 10 2012, 03:39 PM)
No trolling intended, but look at this link :-
Kenny Dalglish talks of conspiracy
Now he is saying that referees are conspiring against Liverpool  doh.gif
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he's in denial... this is bad for him and liverpool, and subsequently, NESV..
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post Apr 10 2012, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(imin @ Apr 10 2012, 03:49 PM)
he's in denial... this is bad for him and liverpool, and subsequently, NESV..
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The English FA is full of rubbish in recent years, full of double standards and politics. Just the other day I read that referees seem to be favouring the Mancs on the pitch. England is no longer the honourable country of old and the possibility of conspiracy should not come as a shock. English football without foreigners now will be sub-standard and will lose its worldwide followers. The only advantage they have left is the language.

Yea, KD is not perfect but I still think he's the man for the job. I remember most of the forumers here praising him to the skies at one point. Liverpool need inspiration now, and arguably KD can inspire Liverpool better than anybody else.

As an armchair spectator (anybody else?), I would bench Enrique (his form has nosedived), Gerrard (he's not back to his best - will he be able to recover?), Carra (too slow and lacking strength), Henderson (too kiasu) and even Suarez (too complaining)! for the Blackburn game.

Hope we win tonight..


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QUOTE(HateFakers @ Apr 10 2012, 03:39 PM)
No trolling intended, but look at this link :-
Kenny Dalglish talks of conspiracy
Now he is saying that referees are conspiring against Liverpool  doh.gif
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Learn to read properly. Nowadays, soccernet put striking/controversial title just to get people attention.

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"We don't get everything right, do we? So it is understandable they don't either. But a wee bit of respect towards us would help the situation immensely. Otherwise, people might think there is a conspiracy.

"We can't believe that, we can't let it affect us, and take it into the games coming up, because that would damage us. We have to keep going, and ensure it doesn't affect the players.


This is what KD said.

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