Yes, I think base on GD, points and % of win.

Same .. i thought we would have beaten Swansea, Norwich, Arsenal and more?


Well, Joe Cole was free but he was 90k per week. I don't think any of the new recruits are close to 90k.

But if you rather have those deadwood than the current deadwood, our squad will never improve. It will be a whole lot better if we bought quality and have the current deadwoods as ... squad players. Expensive, yes, but United has Carrick, Berbatov, Anderson who just three together cost maybe 70 million on the bench at times.

You said they'd yield the same result and now you say same can't be said about us.
You are shooting your own feet.

I can give you tons of examples in football.
Robert Mancini was sacked (poor run of European Cup. Defeated by Liverpool). By your definition, the successor Jose Mourinho would not win European Cup.
Flawed & selective arguments.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 10 2012, 08:23 AM

Barcelona has players and a manager who play in the same system all their lives. It is easier for Guardiola to come and do the job because he's basically implementing nothing because what he wanted there, was already there.

Same can't be said about Kenny. Half or 3/4 the squad he inherited are not what he wanted.

I guess the theory can't be applied to everyone. I never said it did and that's why I said 'we MAY yield the same results'. I never said we 'WILL'.

tonite we play Blackburn and Saturday we play Everton for the FA Cup semi finals.

hope the boys are gonna be fit.

yup, sometimes i have a hard time telling other fans about the success of barcelona (today) boils down to the CONTINUITY of the football laid down by johan cruff - frank rijkaard.

roy undone all work by rafa. besides the shitting on our squad morale, it was back to "agger, kick the ball out of park"

maybe there is no resemblance of KD play and move to rafa's but at least the key players (who remained) are playing in first 11 (bar kuyt).

The first year is always the toughest (technically its KD 'first' year, rafa first year, we didnt qualify except staging a biggest CL win & a backdoor to the following year CL as champions, and we proved it was no fluke by returning into CL final again) what would have happened if even in the first year rafa got sacked because we failed to nick 4th?

Again comparing roy to KD is... Roy was plummeting LFc to the ground. we were playing disaster football, players are appalled by his methods, the list goes on..

KD's Lfc despite not getting the points (and losses) aren't playing too shabbily, we just ain't scoring to win games, fine a couple of duds whom we felt aren't meeting our standards. We'll deal with that, i hope KD to deal with that and not just allow FSG and comolli dictate
buying players criteria.

I only see adam as KD's 'choice' chase (which unfortunately didnt met expectations), of course henderson, carrol & downing were in that of KD's list too but i suppose if it was "buy english policy" to met the rule, this is whats on the menu

Lol...Newcastle is actually in a battle with chelsea and tottenham for CL spot!

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Added on April 10, 2012, 9:20 amLol...Newcastle is actually in a battle with chelsea and tottenham for CL spot!

This post has been edited by gidlcin: Apr 10 2012, 09:20 AM

1/4 squad, the players signed by King Kenny, are pretty much a flop.

If you TRULY understand the same theory can't be applied to Liverpool and to every manager, then you should not say anything about yield the same results.
It is contradicting to begin with.

P/S
Barcelona is just an example.
Mancini/Mourinho @ Inter Milan. Arrigo Sacchi/Fabio Capallo @ AC Milan.
Gerrard Houllier/Rafa Benitez @ Liverpool.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 10 2012, 09:29 AM

My point was if we were going to continue the deadwood trend then why spend millions on it?By your admittance that currently there is deadwood,where is the improvement? Can i ask what is your definition of improvement? Let's not bring in united players,they can afford deadwood because they have a winning mentality and a team with fantastic chemistry.

the difference between manu and us is, as much as they have their own deadwood, they have a whole lot of winners. how many we have? another difference is their deadwood dont play. when anyone nor performing, someone else will take their spot in the team...

thats the difference. we keep playing the wrong underserving players

If first year were the toughest, then KD already failed the test. Failing to get 4th place is not a crime, not fighting for it is. What place are we now, 8th? Few more draw/lose and Fulham, Norwich, Sunderland, and Stoke will overtake us. In 2012, how is Liverpool performance any difference than when we were still under Woy? When we fall behind, players have no urgency to make a comeback, until last 10 minutes anyway.

With such terrible form now, I'm interested to know how KD going to stop it. Blackburn coming next and we all know how Liverpool love to give points to relegation fighting team. KD says the team is tired and FA cup semi against Everton is on Saturday. What do you think, should KD sacrifice the team so we can make it to FA cup final?

Yes, I agree on the continuity part.
Not only KD should remain as where he is now, he should spend some $$ on good players to be the core players in the team. Currently, KD's team, despite not getting the points (and losses), they are not playing too shabbily either, hitting the woodwork so many times (not sure any other team also hit the woodwork as many times as LFC). I hope KD will spend wisely and IMO, one or two defender, one midfielder will do it..

So far, I can only see Adam as KD's 'choice' (which unfortunately didnt met expectations), but there are Henderson, Carrol & Downing but apart from Henderson & Downing in midfield position, Carrol is not suitable for the current Liverpool type of game. Individually, these are above average players, but to make them gel as ateam is another issue.

Everton is in fine form now, they still won 4-0 against Sunderland despite resting some of their key players.

I think KD gonna rest Stevie G, either sub him after 60 min or put him on the bench vs Blackburn.
Would love to see Agger-Skertel combo again at some stage tonight.

i think kenny just experimenting with the tactics in the league since we got nothing to play for.

seriously? What u means, KD anggap BPL as game rather than match

In any team, there is bound to be some "deadwood" players.
Building a better Liverpool team is the order of the day. This is what is facing KD. LFC has been out of the CL for the past 2 or 3 seasons, so the rebuilding / remodelling of the team will be a slow and ardous. But give KD a chance, just like SAF started out with MU in the late 1980s (that time LFC rules the English Football scene)

My analysis :
1) The team style of play have been over-reliant on 1 or 2 players. Nothing wrong with that, as other teams also did that like MU relying on CRonaldo and Rooney, Chelsea relying on Lampard and Terry etc. Whereas KD is trying to instill a system of pass and move, like what Barca or Arsenal is doing and not relying on 1 or 2 players, given time, this system should bear fruit. I hope KD will elevated the youth players from LFC and after 2 or 3 years, the system shold bear fruits. Of course, the current players in the team now like Spearo, Flanagan, Jonjo etc - these are young lads to build the team for the future.

2) LFC used to play (during Houllier and Rafa times) defensive and counter attacking style of football. This type of game is good for fast, pacey strikers (eg. Owen, Torres, Suarez). I believe KD is trying to build a team who plays a controlling type of gam through "pass and move". That's why KD is playing the youngsters even though they may be underperforming in order to built a close knitted team where everyone play to a system. (Like what is happening in Barca who have Iniesta, Xavi, Messi etc.) KD brought in Henderson, Spearo etc to supplement the lack of talent in LFC youth academy....

3) I agree that some of the current buys during KD time is questionable but how much can LFC expect these players after > 6 months with the team from tactical point of view. Adam use to be the "general" in midfield (attacking wise), but here, he support Gerrard and is on a holding role and Carrol came from a team that plays direct football, and with ample supply of good crosses. But is he getting enuf quality crossess at Liverpool?

All in all, this season is definitely gone for LFC in not getting the League Championship except one League Cup trophy and hopefully win it with a FA Cup.

letting players leave just because they requested is stupid and weak, imo. and kd's policy that anyone that wants to leave, can leave made him look naive and weak. he should learn a thing or two from saf and rednap

Do note that, signing of Andy Carroll is a hasty and deperate decision. Downing & Enrique wasn't our first choice, as we're looking for Ashley Young & Clinchy but they prefer the mancs. Phil Jones & Connor Wickham also snubbed us.

With the policy FSG implements (young & wage control) & the lack of Champions League football, we'll be unattractive for a lot of big & promising names you guys dream of.

This is no fantasy football, we really have to look into the mirror and admit that we're no longer an elite that we once was.

With KD experience of working with our Academy, maybe this is the best period for KD gradually brings in the youngsters. Like how Newcastle has gone through after they're relegated.

This post has been edited by Yluxion: Apr 10 2012, 12:51 PM

no.. he should learn from Moyes

My friend just sent me a message, "There's no longer any hope for LFC, man."
Wanted to reply "have faith, bro" but it wouldn't be the first time, so nah.
Pessimism spreads far and wide.