the squad we have today is what KD build. Last season he inherit a squad from Hodgson. When KD come in there is euphoria and we went on a decent run till the end of season.

so we can't say KD inherit the problem this season.

1 season, and that's all it takes for fans to go into "SACK KD" movement. I'm apalled.

And for the love of God, why is suddenly people comparing Roy Hodson and Kenny Dalglish and insinuating Roy is better?

Roy for all the wrong reasons did all sorts of wrong things.

At the very least KD backed his players, backed his team, backed the club's supporters.

Roy didn't. He should have been sacked earlier, no. Wait, he shouldn't have been appointed at all.

And the fact that KD was okay to be a caretaker manager (something even Rafa refused outright) means something for those each and everyone of us here during that perilous 12 month periods.

We were this "dot" close to being disintegrated. The club, this damn close. And when FSG / NESV took over now, we're suddenly behaving like we've got the Sheikhs?

Who the hell are we to demand that?

We don't even pay the club like other clubs (Barca, Madrid), and yet we're demanding?

At the very least, the away Kopites in away games (that's where you find the irony, the away Kopites at away games are way louder than your average 'oh i'm here because i support liverpool since bla bla bla' non-scoussers) are way much louder than the so-called kopites in Anfield.

and I dare you to say if they don't keep chanting Dalglish's name?

Kenny failed man, his tactics doesn't work. and he too stubborn and too proud to change his tactics and style of play. I mean, took out downing and put in caroll???? WTF was that.

are we looking at the same liverpool team?

i know he doesn't even stick to his winning team, or losing team.

you're watching the same liverpool, pal?

I don't quiet get you?

If we win all our remaining games and win the FA cup, KD will be a Living Legend but he must utilise some Youth Blood like Sterling,Suso and Morgan and ONLY Sub out Downing and Carroll if we are in full control of the game. Let these 2 lads some strolling will make them good. and for God's sake, pls utilise Maxi and Kuyt more. Abt Carra, he can retire for good, cause Coates should be given more exposure

This post has been edited by digilife: Apr 9 2012, 08:03 PM

you said he's got his tactics all wrong.

how wrong?

when he doesn't even stick to one formation, doesn't stick to 1 winning team, and neither does he stick to a losing team.

How is that 'he got his tactics all wrong'?

yeah, I think caragger is losing it and good to retired. he's been a great servant for our club. still don't understand why Kenny stil play him instead of Coates... yeah and maxi needs to play more. and I think Henderson play well yesterday...

Of the 3 England Internationals, only Herderson makes a good buy, Carroll and Downing is Good Bye

I bet Sterling and Suso can perform much than them.

the style of Play I meant.
we've been leaking goal from left hand side. this is resulted of henrique going forward too much. and every time he overlap he drift in and stay at edge of the penalty box .. and leaving downing in left hand side without support. we also play fast paced football which leads to many misplaced pass and intercepted one-two pass. our player was all over the placed. looks so disorganized that's why we struggle to score goals all season.

I think you got carried away.
Who said Roy is better? For me, all managers who deliver poor results deserve criticism, King Kenny included.
We did spend like having the wealth of Sheikhs. No? How many teams can afford to spend such kind of money in 6-8 months?

Spending money on good players is perfectly fine. Spending money on enhancing the depth of our squad is perfectly fine too.
But what have we bought?
Let me bring up the check list again,
Top position? No.
Sensible signings? No.
Good football? No.
Stronger/better squad (more depth)? No.
Good coaching and scout system (for future plan)? Unknown.

I do not think King King should be sacked now (keyword, NOW).
Many said he should go by the end of the season (not NOW - if he can't deliver results).
For me, he needs to prove himself that he is the right one for the job.
The Premier League is a gone case. FA cup is what he has now.
If he can win the FA cup, I think he has every right for another season (s).

Without discrimination, I need justifications more than the blind faith.

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Added on April 9, 2012, 9:23 pmAny tactic is fine as long as it can give us goals.

I find we always play long ball this season (this is what I see. You may see different).
It makes sense when we have big target man like Andy Carroll.
(But this guy could hardly hold the ball.)

But we have Suarez as lone striker most of the time.
We still play long ball (especially long balls from the left, from Downing and Enrique). Too predictable.
With or without Andy Carroll in starting line-up, long ball.
With or without Suarez in starting line-up, long ball.

Suarez? long ball? He chases the ball like a horse.
Andy? Long ball? Physically strong but he can't hold the ball. No pace.
I think that is tactically wrong (just my opinion).



This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 9 2012, 10:19 PM

For me, the biggest mistake that the management make is by selling Meireles and Aquilani. This 2 players is more suitable to the pass and move tactic compare to Charlie Adam. Really sad to see the 2 players play for other teams.

Then suggest to me that the tactics have degraded.

As far as I'm concerned, the way we play in the beginning of the season isn't exactly the same we're playing, from 2 man up, to 3 man up (wide), and 1 man solo.

As far as I'm concerned, the team is gradually shifting from 1 man attack to a 6 man (4 defense, 6 on offense) everytime we try to push it down the line.

That itself is a change in the mentality in the players and the team.

We had probably like 4-4-2, 5-3-2, 4-1-2-3, and for the past few matches variations of 4-3-3, a trademark of K.D's in trying to create a better midfield when we're on the ball.

If you guys want to talk formation, then let's talk formation and where it works and where it doesn't.

The only thing I hear you fellows are spewing is "KD is crap", without even pointing what is so crappy about KD (except for the strings of losses)

If I were to had it my way, I'll say Steve.G and Carra gave us the downfall. They WANTED a "pat your back and say 'good job!' manager. Now they had the 2nd manager who does that, and they didn't even deliver any better than they were under Rafa.

(granted not to mention Maxi shone under KD than he was under Rafa or Hodson)

In that bad strings of result, I will blame the gaffer for sticking with the wrong guy, but has he tactically degraded? I wouldn't dare to say that. He has at the very least found where (and has kept) playing Henderson and Downing playing on positions where they work (Henderson as a attacking minded recycler, a.k.a "secundre forward volante") on the right and do we as the general fanbase (unless you claim you're a special breed) to appreciate Downing's tactical benefit?

Has it been (to my irony) that the same bandwagon of supporters choose to ignore that SG while starting in the mid was moved to the right, when it mattered, and it created the tactical advantage?

Has it been that the same bandwagon of supporters have clearly ignored that the shape and position of our players were always changing in game, that we didn't looked the same from start to the finish? Hasn't it then?

I am not defending our gaffer because he is the King, but his merits on field has given us a hope that he will do all he can to change things and make things right. That he has the capacity to learn, adapt and make changes as it is fit (even if its just a formation or position) to make things work.

Cry all you can 'its too late', but apparently if the other team has their formation work-able, then let's have it that you're managing LFC in that game instead and see if your tactical prowess is good enough?

At least for all I know, KD for all his so called 'antics', he's thinking constantly on how to improve the game.

I may stand corrected, but I'm still quite peeved by the very same people here who years ago insisted Rafa must leave, and now calling the head of KD just because of a bad run.

At the very least he didn't became a traitor to the players, the supporters nor the club. He stood by them every inch, every second all the way.

Building a Liverpool team that is rotten to the core...yes this is the scale facing King Kenny....we have missed CL for the passed 2 seasons, if you included this season will be the third one....make no mistake, the rebuilding or remodelling of liverpool will be a painstaking affair, that i believe, i'd rather have the King to do it than any other person:

1) The team style of play have been over-reliant on 1 or 2 players - since - Owen - Danny Murphy- Gary Mac - Gerard, you can hardly remember having a few players to rely on, and this includes Torres and Gerard. Whereas KK is trying to instill a system of pass and move, is all inclusive..given time, this system should bear fruit, which is why KK been using Spearo...Flanagan....Jonjo ..young lads to build for the future.

2) An attacking Liverpool model - as far as Houllier and Rafa period, we are playing a lot of close ended football...defensive and counter attacking style - as such, pacey strikers really blossom - Owen & Torres....unlike during Roy Evan's time, we control the match..and i can see a semblance of KK trying to rebuilt a squad which closely model after the school of 1990's...yes we may win nothing during that time, but we are closest challenger to Manyure or Blackburn then..with the likes of Redknapp, Fowler, Macca, Collymore and co...I can see the rational why KK is rather protective of 'underperforming' youngsters....in order built a close knitted football team where everyone play to a system...each young lads need to be protected..given time, these lads should develop the understanding and interplay which can open up any defense..just look at Barca..iniesta, Xavi, messi etc...they been playing together since academy....whereas the likes of henderson, spearo..carrol, were bought to supplement the lack of talent from our academy....

3) Obviously, Liverpool is a team that's demoralize..after the episode with the american clowns, yes that's H&G.....we barely lifted the gloom that surround the club for the past 3 seasons, and rehabilitation just started last year, but now fans are baying for blood!!???C'mon...even a car just after overhaul cannot be push..certainly we can expect players or new ones to gel and work perfectly as per say engine parts...understanding or rather telepathic instinct, as some fans may put it, needs time to develop and nurture..i strongly support KK for being protective of the lads, becos the last thing he wants is for the fans to 'harrass' the players...probably senior players may be able to handle it...but the youngsters could be affected...

4) Granted that some of the buys might be questionable - downing, adam, carrol,,,but hey..barring carrol, downing ,adam and even henderson or enrique having join us for 7-8 months..correct me if i am wrong...how much can we expect from tactical and strategy assimilation....or adaptation from these players...bearing in mind - downing used to have a co-wingers @ Aston Villa - ASs Young...Adam use to call the shot in midfield (attacking wise), but here, he support Gerrard and carrol came from a team that plays direct football, and with ample supply of good crosses...which he is not getting enuf at Liverpool....

All in all, this season is definitely heartache...but at least KK soothe it with a League Cup and hopefull heal it with an FA Cup....lower your expectation,,,we are a team in progress..

Technically, Aquilani is on loan now, not sold though i'm sure he prefer to stay in Italy. Meireles is one that we should have try holding on to but if a player heart is set to leave, there no use forcing him to stay.

Soltice, I just saw this message on liverpoolfc forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Premier_League
Statistically speaking, if we scored all 34 goals (that hit the woodwork), we would be 1 place higher in league position.
(24 out of 34 were the crossbar-hits in EPL game)



This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 10 2012, 12:27 AM

Why 1 place higher? Base on GD? Apparently, some games we could have nick 3 instead of one...add on the 2points, 2 points and 2 points... we can see us a lot higher.

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Added on April 10, 2012, 1:36 amWhat an arse!

This post has been edited by solstice818: Apr 10 2012, 01:37 AM

Barcelona is Barcelona they are from a different planet!! They only compete with a few teams for La Liga and Spanish domestic titles. We've got to compete with Man City, Man United and Chelsea who can spend! Plus Spurs, Arsenal and Newcastle now.

They did go trophyless for 4 years between 5 managers (see, changing of managers). And Rijkaard won his first title in his second season (time given).

Anyways, the current Barcelona squad consists of a manager who played under the system revamped by then manager, Johan Cruyff and players who grew up playing in the la masia academy revamped by Cruyff so basically they've got a manager and the players all playing in the same way practically their whole life.

Same can't be said about us.

Yes, he 'built' the current squad but it is never going to be a walk in a park when you put in four or five new players in the team at once and hope they win titles. He's had to get rid of alot of deadwood players - Konchesky, Cole, Poulsen, El Zhar, Degen and such.

Its normal to see away fans being louder than the so called at home. Usually this aways fans are those young-die-hard liverpool fans that travel with the team almost everytime. And its not just with Liverpool fans. Newcastle, City, Spurs to name a few all have a very strong following when it comes to away games. They can make that small section of the stand be louder than the home fans altogether.

Some ITK on lfc forum said kenny will step down at the end of the season if we fail to win FA cup and finish below everton.

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Added on April 10, 2012, 8:09 amI rather have those deadwood than the current deadwood.They didn't cost us 100million and high weekly wages.

This post has been edited by Rotuham: Apr 10 2012, 08:09 AM