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stevie8
post Feb 27 2012, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Feb 25 2012, 02:03 PM)
@stevie8 , thanks

back to the ABS piping.. euratech piping says usually ABS pipe is used for chemicals and etc eg acids and all

@tomjason , your abs pipe is what rating or specifications one ?
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Go buy one foot ABS pipe and one ABS socket joint and buy one bottle acid from hardware shop. Pour the concentrated acid onto them and see if it melt. Why buy 2? What is the point of having ABS pipe that is acid resistance and yet the joints are not. So be awared.
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post Feb 27 2012, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Feb 27 2012, 09:49 AM)
Go buy one foot ABS pipe and one ABS socket joint and buy one bottle acid from hardware shop. Pour the concentrated acid onto them and see if it melt. Why buy 2? What is the point of having ABS pipe that is acid resistance and yet the joints are not. So be awared.
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guess u need to use a different kind of joint method lol smile.gif for house hold easiest is polypipe..
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post Feb 27 2012, 01:29 PM

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post Mar 7 2012, 12:41 AM

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guys, i'm going to make some DIY work on my house...planning to buy a PN15, class E, 50mm pipe..i know it comes in 6 meters long, what is the current market price for the pipe?

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post Mar 7 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(movanns @ Mar 7 2012, 12:41 AM)
guys, i'm going to make some DIY work on my house...planning to buy a PN15, class E, 50mm pipe..i know it comes in 6 meters long, what is the current market price for the pipe?
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why dont u try ask, some of the hardware shops near you..

different place different pricing..(depending on how they want to slice you)
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post Mar 7 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(movanns @ Mar 7 2012, 12:41 AM)
guys, i'm going to make some DIY work on my house...planning to buy a PN15, class E, 50mm pipe..i know it comes in 6 meters long, what is the current market price for the pipe?
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Go to where there are at least 2 hardware shops and best is side by side. Go to one that has many customers/plumbers that frequent the shop. Anyway these things are not expensive, labour is.
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ok will do some survey..well since it will be a DIY, i guess no labour charge incur :-)
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post Mar 8 2012, 11:26 AM

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last time when i was doing research on piping to use/choose for my house

i came across this ,summary just to share it out smile.gif

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ABS Pipe
ABS pipe and fittings are made from a thermoplastic resin called Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS for short).
ABS PIPING SYSTEMS: - Are easier and less expensive to install than metal piping; Feature superior flow due to smooth interiorfinish; Do not rot, rust, corrode or collect waste; Withstand earth loads and shipping (with properhandling); Resist mechanical damage, even at low temperatures; Perform at an operational temperature range of -40°F to 180°F; Are lightweight (one person can load and unload); Take less time to rough in than metal DWV materials.
ABS pipe and fittings were originally developed in the early 1950s for use in oil fields and the chemical industry. In 1959, John F. Long, a prominent Arizona builder, used ABS pipe in an experimental residence. Twenty-five years later, an independent research firm dug up and analyzed a section of the drain pipe. The result: no evidence of rot, rust or corrosion.

CPVC Pipe
CPVC Pipe - For Superior Corrosion Resistance in High Temperature Applications
Harvel CPVC pipe is produced from a specialty blend of Corzan® CPVC material with unique physical properties desirable for piping applications (i.e., improved impact resistance and good fire resistance capabilities).
The CPVC product line includes schedules 40 and 80 piping from 1/4" through 16" diameters. Harvel CPVC piping systems can handle more than three-fourths of the temperature/pressure requirements of today's typical process plants. CPVC pressure pipe has an upper working temperature limit of 200°F (93°C), or approximately 60°F (15°C) above that of Type I Grade I PVC. As with all thermoplastic piping systems, CPVC's ability to withstand pressure varies with pipe diameter, wall thickness, and temperature. For pressure piping applications it is recommended for temperatures as high as 200°F (93°C) when appropriate temperature de-rating factors are applied. As the pipe diameter and temperature increases, the pressure rating of the product decreases. For example, 1/2" Schedule 80 CPVC pipe is engineered for continuous service of 850 psi @ 73°F (23°C). The same pipe in service @ 180°F (82°C) carries a maximum working pressure rating of 210 psi at this temperature. 6" Schedule 80 CPVC pipe is designed for 270 psi @ 73°F, and 54 psi @ 200°F.

PVC Pipes & Fittings
PVC Pipes from Professional Plastics offer superior quality for a wide range of applications
Professional Plastics is an authorized distributor of premium Harvel brand PVC Pipe. Harvel uses its own custom blend of PVC compound to ensure that desirable physical properties are maintained with every production run. Harvel PVC piping exhibits exceptional consistent quality with uniform properties; making it the preferred choice of fabricators and custom houses. Harvel's product line has grown to include standard and custom extrusions of PVC pipe in schedules 40, 80, and 120; as well as SDR series pipe produced to 13.5, 21, 26 and 41 dimensions.
In addition to a full range of sizes, Harvel also offers various options including: belled end, gasketed, roll grooved, and threaded pipe ends, as well as custom dimensions and lengths. Harvel PVC pipe is ideal for numerous applications including chemical processing, high purity applications, water and waste water treatment, potable water systems, agricultural, irrigation, plating, and many other industrial applications involving corrosive fluid transfer.
For Higher Temperature requirements, Consider CPVC Pipe

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post Mar 8 2012, 11:26 AM

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just create flikr account..upload my master room toilet..


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post Mar 8 2012, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 11:26 AM)
just create flikr account..upload my master room toilet..
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link tak jalan ah ?
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post Mar 8 2012, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 8 2012, 11:52 AM)
link tak jalan ah ?
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yalah...donno ..tak jalan..try reduce the size..
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post Mar 8 2012, 12:31 PM

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i upload my master toilet before and after..all using ABS..just waiting ..for how long the ABS will leak... sweat.gif


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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 12:31 PM)
i upload my master toilet before and after..all using ABS..just waiting ..for how long the ABS will leak... sweat.gif
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if the joints are properly done won't leak one...

i see the sockets didnt put SS sockets later if next time u change don't over tighten else the abs threads will kena makan smile.gif
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post Mar 8 2012, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 8 2012, 01:05 PM)
if the joints are properly done won't leak one...

i see the sockets didnt put SS sockets later if next time u change don't over tighten else the abs threads will kena makan smile.gif
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i put Stainless steel socket to 1/2 inches...ya...SS need more white tape...one toilet kena already..after completed tiles, then leak..the tile had to break to tighthen the socket..i use ABS size 3/4 inches then used socket 1/2 inches
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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 01:48 PM)
i put Stainless steel socket to 1/2 inches...ya...SS need more white tape...one toilet kena already..after completed tiles, then leak..the tile had to break to tighthen the socket..i use ABS size 3/4 inches then used socket 1/2 inches
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socket standard is all 1/2 inch unless need special reason to use big one eg connect to tank.. connect to pump connect o main valve..

3/4 inch pipe hmm usually the main one is 3/4 and the branch off is 1/2 inch only..

why your plumber choose abs and not poly or upvc or pvc ? his reasoning is ?
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post Mar 8 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 8 2012, 01:50 PM)
socket standard is all 1/2 inch unless need special reason to use big one eg connect to tank.. connect to pump connect o main valve..

3/4 inch pipe hmm usually the main one is 3/4 and the branch off is 1/2 inch only..

why your plumber choose abs and not poly or upvc or pvc ? his reasoning is ?
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i dont hire plumber..i m the plumber..just hire indo..i m the supervisor..i design from A to Z...i thought that ABS is good since it is new.....until i experience it..that why i advised forumer donot use ABS....



i design my house from main using 1 1/4 inches pipe then branch out to 2 to 1 inches pipes..i got 4 tank2...2 at main house, 2 at new house..the reason i m using 3/4 inches in toilet is i hv sufficient water volume...

with all these design..my shower head need not any pump....no problem with water volume and pressure... thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 02:16 PM)
i dont hire plumber..i m the plumber..just hire indo..i m the supervisor..i design from A to Z...i thought that ABS is good since it is new.....until i experience it..that why i advised forumer donot use ABS....
i design my house from main using 1 1/4 inches pipe then branch out to 2 to 1 inches pipes..i got 4 tank2...2 at main house, 2 at new house..the reason i m using 3/4 inches in toilet is i hv sufficient water volume...

with all these design..my shower head need not any pump....no problem with water volume and pressure... thumbup.gif
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Would the ABS overkill for bathroom or others low pressure tap? I guess PVC cheaper than ABS right?

How you tiles the wall when the pipe not inside the brick?
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post Mar 8 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 8 2012, 02:41 PM)
Would the ABS overkill for bathroom or others low pressure tap? I guess PVC cheaper than ABS right?

How you tiles the wall when the pipe not inside the brick?
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yaa....ABS expensive but quality suck.....i did not have pressure problem for my toilet cause i use from tank 1 inches then reduce to 3/4 inches..i bought shower head ....wow..water volume and pressure good..no need pump... rclxms.gif

i install the pipe inside the brick...

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post Mar 8 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 02:16 PM)
i dont hire plumber..i m the plumber..just hire indo..i m the supervisor..i design from A to Z...i thought that ABS is good since it is new.....until i experience it..that why i advised forumer donot use ABS....
i design my house from main using 1 1/4 inches pipe then branch out to 2 to 1 inches pipes..i got 4 tank2...2 at main house, 2 at new house..the reason i m using 3/4 inches in toilet is i hv sufficient water volume...

with all these design..my shower head need not any pump....no problem with water volume and pressure... thumbup.gif
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But if you got hot water, from 3/4 to half in you got to wait 2 time longer for hot water to come out, waste a lot of water.

Main from meter is 3/4 inch pipe and at the meter it is 1/2 inch. No point having 1 1/4 then to 2 inch it wont increase pressure, waste big pipe and joints of big pipe is more expensive and dig deeper to tanam. It sholuld be 3/4 inch all the way till it branch out to every outlet point and 1 inch to pump and from pump you can use 1 inch and branch out to half inch to every outlet or from tank you can use big pipe since the pressure is low.
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Mar 8 2012, 02:45 PM)
But if you got hot water, from 3/4 to half in you got to wait 2 time longer for hot water to come out, waste a lot of water.

Main from meter is 3/4 inch pipe and at the meter it is 1/2 inch. No point having 1 1/4 then to 2 inch it wont increase pressure, waste big pipe and joints of big pipe is more expensive and dig deeper to tanam. It sholuld be 3/4 inch all the way till it branch out to every outlet point and 1 inch to pump and from pump you can use 1 inch and branch out to half inch to every outlet or from tank you can use big pipe since the pressure is low.
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my design is like this...a bit difficult to explain...


from meter 1 1/4 inches pipe then branch out into 2 branches...i branch to water tank old house, other to water tank new house..each branch is 1 inches..in this way i do lose water volume when both to water tank at new and old house at simulatenously...

and i do not use pump...so far my toilet..water volume and pressure good...

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