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JinXXX
post Feb 23 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Feb 23 2012, 11:01 AM)
I just to advised if possible do not use ABS water pipe.Instead please use normal PVC pipe. For PVC pipe please ensure that your contractor using Class 6 and 7.The ABS pipe is not resistance to acid, very easily 'makan' by acid.
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and... where does this "Acid" come from ?

your using ABS piping for potable water or industrial use ?
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post Feb 23 2012, 11:40 AM

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just in case you guys need to research acid resistance piping/chemical transport

http://plasticpipe.org/pdf/tr-19_thermopla...of_chemical.pdf

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post Feb 23 2012, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(skng03 @ Feb 23 2012, 05:06 PM)
House no need class 7 lar, pvc class e = pn15; can stand 15 bar. household with pressure booster pump normally 40psi=3bar only
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+1.. so susah use pvc and all use poly pipe la (PB) no problem... smile.gif

UV treated thats why its black in colour..

joints and etc use hansen joint not the normal one.. settle problem

thats what i do for my house la smile.gif
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post Feb 23 2012, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 23 2012, 06:04 PM)
Seem like the best for the money is poly (PB). Cheaper than stainless steel, flexible and screw type joint which is secure. But chemical and corrosion any problem for underground?
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poly pipe aka HDPE

The Advantages of HDPE are as follows:
Non-toxic
High impact strength
High resistance against corrosion-internal and external
High chemical resistance
Toughness
Flexibility
Ease of handling and laying
Can be made in long lengths
Excellent resistance against abrasion
No build-up of minerals on inside walls, i.e. crustations
Weather resistance
Expected life of 50 years or more
Smooth surface with low friction losses, i.e. hydraulic smooth C-value (Hazen Williams) = 150-165, K-value (Prandtl – Coalbrook) = 0.007mm
Very low water absorption
No stress cracking
Suitable for high temperature application (PP)

http://www.sansico.com.my/technical-data-m...-data-hdpe.html
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post Feb 24 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 24 2012, 10:00 AM)
I have 2 water tank and all my bathroom is connect to the tank. So the water is always moving and no statik. While the kitchen and the garden is main.
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got use pump ? else the water pressure low leh.. sad.gif
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post Feb 24 2012, 07:43 PM

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according to a ABS pipe manufacturer EuraTech...

http://www.euratech.com.my/products_ABS.html

CHEMICAL RESISTANCE
Eurapipe ABS is unaffected by both internal and external chemical attack by a wide range of acids, alkalis, ground water salts and other environmental factors.



you sure your taking about the same piping ?


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post Feb 24 2012, 09:51 PM

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@stevie8 , nice suggestion ...

is it placed under the sun ? , does alge grow ? in the enclosure ?
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post Feb 24 2012, 10:14 PM

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@stevie8 , possible to snap and share a pic of your water filter installation ?


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post Feb 24 2012, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Feb 24 2012, 10:15 PM)
It is dark. will do tomorrow
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post Feb 24 2012, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 24 2012, 10:53 PM)
I m using this kind filter case but not the same filter material as your 1. The filter you using is something like rough sand surface. I use before and not that effective in filtering rust brown water. And very fast clog.

I change to those string line type which have better filtering. And have better flow .
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post Feb 25 2012, 02:03 PM

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@stevie8 , thanks

back to the ABS piping.. euratech piping says usually ABS pipe is used for chemicals and etc eg acids and all

@tomjason , your abs pipe is what rating or specifications one ?


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QUOTE(soonyeap @ Feb 26 2012, 11:03 PM)
Im using poly from main to tank and abs from tank to toilets. Since poly fittings is damn huge and you wont have proper way to conceal poly fittings inside the wall ...
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actually there is a kind of poly fittings that is small enough to be embedded into the wall

its called hansen fittings.. from nz..

local manufacturer is sansico .. smile.gif i used that to redo my whole house piping smile.gif

for those that want to know more > http://www.sansico.com.my/technical-data-m...a-fittings.html
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post Feb 27 2012, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Feb 27 2012, 09:49 AM)
Go buy one foot ABS pipe and one ABS socket joint and buy one bottle acid from hardware shop. Pour the concentrated acid onto them and see if it melt. Why buy 2? What is the point of having ABS pipe that is acid resistance and yet the joints are not. So be awared.
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guess u need to use a different kind of joint method lol smile.gif for house hold easiest is polypipe..
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QUOTE(movanns @ Mar 7 2012, 12:41 AM)
guys, i'm going to make some DIY work on my house...planning to buy a PN15, class E, 50mm pipe..i know it comes in 6 meters long, what is the current market price for the pipe?
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why dont u try ask, some of the hardware shops near you..

different place different pricing..(depending on how they want to slice you)
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post Mar 8 2012, 11:26 AM

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last time when i was doing research on piping to use/choose for my house

i came across this ,summary just to share it out smile.gif

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ABS Pipe
ABS pipe and fittings are made from a thermoplastic resin called Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS for short).
ABS PIPING SYSTEMS: - Are easier and less expensive to install than metal piping; Feature superior flow due to smooth interiorfinish; Do not rot, rust, corrode or collect waste; Withstand earth loads and shipping (with properhandling); Resist mechanical damage, even at low temperatures; Perform at an operational temperature range of -40°F to 180°F; Are lightweight (one person can load and unload); Take less time to rough in than metal DWV materials.
ABS pipe and fittings were originally developed in the early 1950s for use in oil fields and the chemical industry. In 1959, John F. Long, a prominent Arizona builder, used ABS pipe in an experimental residence. Twenty-five years later, an independent research firm dug up and analyzed a section of the drain pipe. The result: no evidence of rot, rust or corrosion.

CPVC Pipe
CPVC Pipe - For Superior Corrosion Resistance in High Temperature Applications
Harvel CPVC pipe is produced from a specialty blend of Corzan® CPVC material with unique physical properties desirable for piping applications (i.e., improved impact resistance and good fire resistance capabilities).
The CPVC product line includes schedules 40 and 80 piping from 1/4" through 16" diameters. Harvel CPVC piping systems can handle more than three-fourths of the temperature/pressure requirements of today's typical process plants. CPVC pressure pipe has an upper working temperature limit of 200°F (93°C), or approximately 60°F (15°C) above that of Type I Grade I PVC. As with all thermoplastic piping systems, CPVC's ability to withstand pressure varies with pipe diameter, wall thickness, and temperature. For pressure piping applications it is recommended for temperatures as high as 200°F (93°C) when appropriate temperature de-rating factors are applied. As the pipe diameter and temperature increases, the pressure rating of the product decreases. For example, 1/2" Schedule 80 CPVC pipe is engineered for continuous service of 850 psi @ 73°F (23°C). The same pipe in service @ 180°F (82°C) carries a maximum working pressure rating of 210 psi at this temperature. 6" Schedule 80 CPVC pipe is designed for 270 psi @ 73°F, and 54 psi @ 200°F.

PVC Pipes & Fittings
PVC Pipes from Professional Plastics offer superior quality for a wide range of applications
Professional Plastics is an authorized distributor of premium Harvel brand PVC Pipe. Harvel uses its own custom blend of PVC compound to ensure that desirable physical properties are maintained with every production run. Harvel PVC piping exhibits exceptional consistent quality with uniform properties; making it the preferred choice of fabricators and custom houses. Harvel's product line has grown to include standard and custom extrusions of PVC pipe in schedules 40, 80, and 120; as well as SDR series pipe produced to 13.5, 21, 26 and 41 dimensions.
In addition to a full range of sizes, Harvel also offers various options including: belled end, gasketed, roll grooved, and threaded pipe ends, as well as custom dimensions and lengths. Harvel PVC pipe is ideal for numerous applications including chemical processing, high purity applications, water and waste water treatment, potable water systems, agricultural, irrigation, plating, and many other industrial applications involving corrosive fluid transfer.
For Higher Temperature requirements, Consider CPVC Pipe

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 11:26 AM)
just create flikr account..upload my master room toilet..
user posted image
user posted image
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link tak jalan ah ?
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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 12:31 PM)
i upload my master toilet before and after..all using ABS..just waiting ..for how long the ABS will leak... sweat.gif
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if the joints are properly done won't leak one...

i see the sockets didnt put SS sockets later if next time u change don't over tighten else the abs threads will kena makan smile.gif
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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 01:48 PM)
i put Stainless steel socket to 1/2 inches...ya...SS need more white tape...one toilet kena already..after completed tiles, then leak..the tile had to break to tighthen the socket..i use ABS size 3/4 inches then used socket 1/2 inches
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socket standard is all 1/2 inch unless need special reason to use big one eg connect to tank.. connect to pump connect o main valve..

3/4 inch pipe hmm usually the main one is 3/4 and the branch off is 1/2 inch only..

why your plumber choose abs and not poly or upvc or pvc ? his reasoning is ?
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QUOTE(tomjason @ Mar 8 2012, 02:51 PM)
my design is like this...a bit difficult to explain...
from meter 1 1/4 inches pipe then branch out into 2 branches...i branch to water tank old house, other to water tank new house..each branch is 1 inches..in this way i do lose water volume when both to water tank at new and old house at simulatenously...

and i do not use pump...so far my toilet..water volume and pressure good...
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so your land got 2 houses la.. is it ? kampung house or what.. why so nice can have 2 side by side one ?
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Mar 13 2012, 04:32 PM)
Poly the bulky thing is not cheap either. GI you should forget about it unless you still want to live in caves (just joking). Of course when we do something we have to see what it is use for and decide what material is best for it. It is not ss, ss, ss like that. You should advise your hardware shop to get these for his customers lor what to do, everybody has to be alerted to progress. You help him he help you.

No la you mistaken. No, not using SS fittings. it use copper fittings. The "old" SS pipe is thick and expensive because it uses SS fittings that you have to make the pipe end with thread like GI pipe. to do that thread it has to be thick otherwise it will be too thin to take the pressure/weight of the compress fittings. Now with this thin ss, it has to use copper fittings. You see someone discovered why not use thin ss instead of expensive copper pipe by using copper ring compression fittings. Small idea great invention/discovery.
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won't the ss piping rust ? cause from what i understand usually the water isn't clean and it contains some small amount of rust.. either from main or what ever..

if a little amount somehow get stuck between the copper joint/ss pipe it will eventually spread.. not like they using medical grade ss smile.gif

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