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turbocharged
post Feb 16 2012, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 16 2012, 07:17 PM)
all talk engines like very pro like that..mechanic kah..u know how to fix meh
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So who is better driver? Taxi driver or mikka shoes maker?
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post Feb 16 2012, 09:59 PM

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surely 6-speed CVT with turbo-charged CFE

& priced at max RM75k?
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post Feb 16 2012, 10:00 PM

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CFE is paired with 7-speed CVT with pedal shifters.
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post Feb 16 2012, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 09:59 PM)
surely 6-speed CVT with turbo-charged CFE

& priced at max RM75k?
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is 7 speed for CFE
6 speed is IAFM+
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post Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 16 2012, 10:00 PM)
CFE is paired with 7-speed CVT with pedal shifters.
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7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
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7speed + reverse gear?
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post Feb 16 2012, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM)
7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
OR
7speed + reverse gear?
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of course 7 speed + reverse
since when u heard ppl say 4 speed auto = 3 speed + reverse gear?
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post Feb 16 2012, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM)
7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
OR
7speed + reverse gear?
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Then my house old Datsun and Kancil is 6 speed!!! Because 5speed+reverse!!
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post Feb 16 2012, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 16 2012, 09:24 PM)
they did buy a few units of supercharger to test
no news abt it until now
last time said gonna use in satria neo
well...maybe? it fail?...no one knows
twin charge...the engine can tahan or not oh?..not any engine can be supercharge
the fact that european engine uses twin charger...well...their engine are known to be not as reliable as japanese engine
but they're famous for POWER
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superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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post Feb 16 2012, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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this means you should buy used bmw!!
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post Feb 16 2012, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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maybe the old campro cannot tahan but they did upgrade/improve the campro lately..thats why now campro recommend 10w-30 oil...last time is 10w-40
not any can be supercharge ...well, have to leave that to the R&D department..let them do the job
well...if u want power, u can always go for european brand, their engine always known for power but not for reliability
proton have to remain reliability cuz if not many will bomb proton say why last only XXXKM
because proton's customer target is low and middle income..not high income
so reliability is very important for them, cuz they can't afford the engine being broken(very expensive to fix/replace)
2 thing proton insist on reliability which is the engine and GB...this 2 combine made up the 70-80% of the car price
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post Feb 16 2012, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 16 2012, 03:59 PM)
oh man, how young are you?
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I'm your father, turbo. laugh.gif No, 26.

Why do you ask? Golf I and II, especially the I are classics. But after that... only the VI looks decent again.
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post Feb 16 2012, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 16 2012, 10:07 PM)
of course 7 speed + reverse
since when u heard ppl say 4 speed auto = 3 speed + reverse gear?
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ok thanks for clarifying icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 17 2012, 12:43 AM

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actually old campro and most average cars can tahan Supercharge more than turbo. smile.gif The reason why it's not use is there's more components , more expensive, higher risk of failure and produces less power. Also, it's not as efficient as turbo. The good thing about superchargers is that it's not as laggy as turbo. TOD is better than turbo.
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post Feb 17 2012, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Feb 16 2012, 07:03 PM)
sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!!

The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so.
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doh.gif ini orang should go vacation and get some rest la. too stress is it?

QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 16 2012, 07:17 PM)
all talk engines like very pro like that..mechanic kah..u know how to fix meh
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not mechanic lah, just motorsport design student that study about how to design a vehicle.


Added on February 17, 2012, 1:22 am
QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 PM)
I'm your father, turbo. laugh.gif No, 26.

Why do you ask? Golf I and II, especially the I are classics. But after that... only the VI looks decent again.
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im on your side, the mk3 and 4 is ugly as hell.. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by AlexLee277: Feb 17 2012, 01:22 AM
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post Feb 17 2012, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM)
7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
OR
7speed + reverse gear?
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7 forward "virtual" gear..ala altis


Added on February 17, 2012, 9:29 am
QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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from other forum, those superchgr is for neo.

This post has been edited by farghmee: Feb 17 2012, 09:29 AM
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post Feb 17 2012, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 PM)
I'm your father, turbo. laugh.gif No, 26.

Why do you ask? Golf I and II, especially the I are classics. But after that... only the VI looks decent again.
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haha, its subjective, but i think mark 5 is the best, the rest is .....sleep.gif
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post Feb 17 2012, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 17 2012, 12:43 AM)
actually old campro and most average cars can tahan Supercharge more than turbo. smile.gif The reason why it's not use is there's more components , more expensive, higher risk of failure and produces less power. Also, it's not as efficient as turbo. The good thing about superchargers is that it's not as laggy as turbo. TOD is better than turbo.
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er. you sure?
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post Feb 17 2012, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Feb 16 2012, 07:03 PM)
sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!!

The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so.
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oii... nok kutuk proton pun agak2 la..
yg teruk kita kutuk la, tapi jgn sampai terlepas pandang benda yg bagus
have u heard of the downsizing trend?
even mercs are using puny 1.8 engines now...
bmw is playing a catch-up game with the new F30.. plus the introduction of new 4-cyl engines for the F10.

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post Feb 17 2012, 04:41 PM

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Back to the p3-21A.. it is a shame that they didn't go with the concept design for mass production.
when it came out i thought proton finally did something amazing ala korean cars nowadays. but they had to go and tone it down and make it all weird.. doh.gif
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post Feb 17 2012, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 17 2012, 04:41 PM)
Back to the p3-21A.. it is a shame that they didn't go with the concept design for mass production.
when it came out i thought proton finally did something amazing ala korean cars nowadays. but they had to go and tone it down and make it all weird.. doh.gif
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no one uses their concept car and mass produce it
NO ONE...concept will always stay as concept, they will never produce it
the concept design is only designed for cool in mind only
they never take cost, safety, JPJ regulation into consideration

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