Hi guys, currently driving a Honda City 2007 Vtec Model.

I bought this car several years back as I got it at a good price and my parents thought it was a practical car. Since it was sorta my first car, I thought, why not.

The car has been paid in full.

Anyway, I have this burning urge to buy another car primarily for 2 reasons:

1. to look good driving it
2. to have a spirited driving (i drive long distances occasionally on highways and i like the feel of enjoying the car and some of its power) or sometimes at night alone.

For the narrowing of my scope and to get something within means, I have set my budget to be at a ceiling of 100k. My car would be around 50k 2nd hand value to car sellers and I don't mind paying cash of 10-20k depending on the price.

Which car would you guys recommend?

I actually want an upgrade on my current model and I've browsed through mudah and did a few readings and have only seen forte 2.0 and peugeot 6 SPEED 308 turbo (both around 85k) which is good.

Any other good cars which you guys would recommend?

Not too old models in which cases of faults are high and maintenance are high. I was soooooooooooooo focused on either a CLK or a BMW CI (old models) both below 100k also can get but I was afraid of technical errors that might arise.

what would you guys recommend based on driving experience and upgrade?

I'm quite big sized (at 180cm tall) so driving space would be important. I was thinking of CRUZE but even for a car that size, I was told that it was underpowered and when I sat in the drivers seat, I felt so cramped compared to the Civic.

I don't think that Forte, 308 and Cruze are good handling cars...if your budget is within 80+k....the best handling new car might just be the Ford Fiesta...it might not be the fastest car in the world...but compared to the above choices and others like new city, vios....it is the best handler

DC5R

DC5R isn't within my budget range and the fiesta is small and not really considered a great upgrade from a honda city.

even the RX8 was within my consideration but I am really afraid if something happens to the engine.

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Added on February 1, 2012, 12:17 amso i guess a newer car would be good


This post has been edited by Salience: Feb 1 2012, 12:17 AM

this will comply with ur 2 reasons :-
1. to look good driving it = it's beemer
2. to have a spirited driving (i drive long distances occasionally on highways and i like the feel of enjoying the car and some of its power) or sometimes at night alone = it's 2.5cc

why ceiling 100k ? minus 50k trade-in , add 20k cash , loan only 30k ? should be more than that ?

This post has been edited by epo: Feb 1 2012, 12:19 AM

TS remember, slow car is never a good handling car.

If you can accept slow but good handling. Local p1 car it is.

Otherwise, take 308thp

you can get a used ford focus tdci for about 90 plus k on mudah now.

fking amazing car to run up genting.

Handling is superb ! dont take my word for it...take the reviews.

340NM of torque is just insane

308thp has sufficient torque for the spirited drive and it does has good handling
thx to the tire size

Fiesta I guess. Also safe when you crash (if you get the sedan).

You sound like my friend a couple years back. He was driving a City but in the end he sold it off and got a 200sx for around 40~k and he dumped an additional 40~k on performance parts. Now he's drifting nicely around the neighbourhood while looking gangsta at the same time

Looks more or less like this. Same color, but hellaflushe'd



can imagine you becoming something like him in the future

This post has been edited by Nightstalker1993: Feb 1 2012, 12:26 AM

a beemer is purchasable but its old and not too fond of the maintenance costs.

I don't need a 2.5cc. even a 2.0 is enough. 100k is a budget because I am planning to buy property. so a budge tis to make sure i don't over gear.

good handling = p1 car? PROTON???????????????????

turbocharged, what have u heard personally from owners of 308thp

fiesta out of the question guys. it's too small for me
after this car, my next car would be like the 2 door bmw e90 or e92 can't remember

i'll be buying my next car around 5 years from my new car if i get it by this year. so i'm choosing delicately.

how about fiesta S?

http://www.mudah.my/Bmw+e46+330+sunroof+02-13105891.htm

bergetar.

but seriously, don't mock proton. proton are known for their "Handling by Lotus". please don't play-play. their handling are tip top! just look at satria NEO, powerful FLX and that out-of-control-bang-car-on-opposite-lane persona/gen2. fuuuu. awesome stuff.

Skyline R34 ? if you're willing to dump a bit more tho

I am really afraid of old cars because of high fault rates. Even my friend who is a race car person and family all into racing also advise against old BMWs.

I don't really need 3.0 cars. Not really fuel efficient for work purpose as I go through a lot of jams and traffic lights. This car should be good for work or play.

I am not mocking proton. I know about their lotus handling etc. Might as well take an inspira if that's the case, right? but isn't that sort of a downgrade in brand but upgrade in car size ONLY?

nah, don't feel bad. i'm being sarcastic.

Spirited driving does not mean speed but having the right driver's feel like having a car that is meant for you to enjoy driving (as what a HONDA CIVIC'S driver seat would look like. unfortunately the drive is satisfactory)

like the feel when you get behind the wheel, the handling is solid, the car is heavy and has a responsive gearbox, yet you feel safe, with all the dials and meter clusturs telling you, "This is DRIVING". hahahahah

This post has been edited by Salience: Feb 1 2012, 12:58 AM

No 3.0? then 2.0 with a huge Turbo then. A car with RB20 would be nice. 2.0 straight-6

any car with RB20 would be a very old car

The spirited drive u mean in my dictionary is more torque...so i would suggest u to go for turbo or supercharged car,If u buy rx8 sure u regret coz the torque its so low u have to rev the engine hard which makes high fc...a small cc engine with turbo is fun to drive,when the boost is not in,its just like a normal NA engine and the fc will be lower than a normal NA engine too coz of compressed intake air so u get some bonus torque.
Its like 1.3 hybrid Insight,it has near 200nm torque which is on par with 2.0cc engine,when u test drive it,u can "feel" the pull all thx to high torque
Same goes to diesel engine,if u dont mind

But it would be a very nice driver's car indeed. RWD with 200++ HP is pretty exhilirating. Only thing would be the petrol. RON97, RM100 would be gone in 250~km

not really an option. I'd like SOME power at command but a car that would make driving an option. spacey, private, quiet, solid.



really skewed towards 308t tho

There's another option if u dun mind, Focus TDCI,priced below 130k...135hp and whopping 340NM of torque and also has the powershift gearbox
Test drive it and u'll know how well it handles

308thp problem will be on maintenance. if choose between focus and 308thp, I will choose focus. Because theres more power, handles better and it's fuel efficient. 308thp shines with lots of gizmo. but at the end of the day, the small cabin and reliability is something you should consider. Too many electronics.

Why not consider pimping up your existing car? Upgrading the city is much better since you don't need to tie up with loan commitments. end of the day you can still sell the car at a much better price than 308 & forte.

Just my humble opinion.

vervain, that's exactly what i thought before. but pimp up a car? that doesn't change much.

body kits?
sound systems?
lower ride with different rims? those aren't fun stuff to do. i want a whole new look. something that i purchase out of the sheer joy of driving.

i've read great reviews about the ford focus but it's kinda ugly (at the back!)

^

thats what id do too and i fully agree

the honda city is small, lacks compartments, not really powerful, although his high utility value.

i don't feel luxurious at all.

Mazda 3 2.0

spirited driving doesnt mean extra huge power...even reviewer sed suzuki swift sport(m) can give u a smile for a spirited driving. for a tight budget..i'd go for 308 turbo...or maybe used polo gti(old one).

Then you need to pour in cash thats for sure. Luxurious? like how? different car segment? if yes you have to get those beemer. There is no one car that can dominate all criteria. if there is, the manufacturer just manufacture this one car to profit from the market.

I'm not sure on your expectation, but for 1.5na commercial engine, the City is putting a respectful amount of power. For a NA, you can't expect much unless you play with high-cams or force induction. those would easily set you <10k and sends chills down your spin everytime you sit on your car. When you're getting all accustom to the car of you've reached the limit, then you will only move to the next phase.

rims is one way of getting a good upgrade. good lightweight and good looking rims can actually improve your cars performance slightly. coupled with some good suspension to improve the handling, you will get a nice car.

Honestly when you say you need a whole new look, I can't think of any sub 100k new cars. Moreover fiesta is off the list. I think it's better that you stick with your current ride till you have enough budget to get a 200k ++ car. definitely it can fill up most of your demands. in the meantime just invest in property and gain the $$.

I think Honda Civic FD2 suits u la.
Maybe u cna get a used one 2.0 with paddle shift.
Within your budget.

This post has been edited by ADVAN: Feb 1 2012, 09:18 AM

TS, join TeamCIty

CR-Z!!!

+1.

For 100K i would only think the Fiesta is suited for slight spirited driving but honestly since u going to spend money for property investment, spend on that first. Once property secured and if u moved in, then consider a car. I think the golf GTI suits u more but u may need RM200K for that.

Wait for persona-r. High spec will comes with cfe engine.

Consider to buy Lancer GT 2nd hand or new Inspira.
Mitsubishi Tagline "Fantastic Sports Machine" and Inspira name itself show it is for spirited driving.

2 reasons to buy are:

1. to look good driving it
2. to have a spirited driving (U drive long distances occasionally on highways and U like the feel of enjoying the car and some of its power) or sometimes at night alone.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: Feb 1 2012, 10:03 AM

YUP, spirited driving is wat a lancer or inspira is...get the manual and i guarantee u will know wat spirited means, for a 180cm tall guy like u, it fits u nicely with it's huge cabin, looks well, basically you're spoilt with choices from the after market.

honda to proton as a downgrade ? please humor me in wat sense ? the brand ? or the car ?

city is a B-segment where else the lancer/inspira is a C-segment...i call that upgrading

city is a 1.5 engine and lancer/inspira is a 1.8/2.0 engine ...i CALL THAT UPGRADING

honda - proton...u call that downgrading....well it maybe...but do not for a second forget besides it's badge EVERYTHING else is a MITSUBISHI...

and u ask for spirited driving and looks...with a budget below 100k - i will tell u INSPIRA is wat u looking for

but if u TELL ME U WANT BRAND ...then by all means indulge yourself in a BMW and nothing less...why u ask ?

because you're upgrading from a JAPANESE to a CONTI...what else is there...BEEMER wor...anytime better then peugeot too......

OH yea, japanese pawns CONTI on handling everytime ( take note that HANDLING and COMFORT RIDE is two different things., so conti will pawn japanese in comfort evertime too...)

just my 2cents

This post has been edited by stewPik: Feb 1 2012, 10:42 AM

Well SAID Mr stupidStewpik..

+1

Buying Proton is a downgrade regardless of what of CC! And dont try to associate lancer with inspira. Just like china iphone with apple iphone. U mean everything else is MITSU? U wan me post campro picture?..There is no spirited driving in this car as vios can oso taopao inspira as claim by an inspira owner.

is it ? campro meh...i tot MIVEC ?? not mivec meh ???

hah ? vios only 1.5 can tapao inspira ???? then mayb really campro, cuz if mivec impossible can loose leh....

vervain, what you say is right and I agree with you (coming from the same thought process as you have right now)

sometimes there's that lingering itch that makes u want to change into something sportier, when you drive, you feel good, you feel great. it doesn't have to be a beemer or a merc (i can afford it) but something value for money, and does not worry the pocket.

i've done so many things to my car to change the feel to embrace the drive. audio stuff, handling stuff via racing bars and planning to change tyre profiles on stock rims.

i have a civic fd2 at home already. my mum drives it. don't want the same car in the garage LOL

i have not joined teamcity but i am in some "limited" contact with soem of the members there. the forum/club is dying with all the oldies leaving the club with new cars. oh well.

Spirited driving, good handling.

I you don't mind old car, Mazda MX5, first or second gen
some already fit in with turbo, have high power to weight ratio.

Another is S2000, slightly over your budget, but stock car is already good enough.

so i guess u've made up ur mind...save the money and invest is the BEST

u say brand not a matter ? then why not P1

u say value for money...there is only 2 cars in the market that is value for money now

kia forte and proton inspira....

what i can think of are

mazda 3
peugeot 308
vw polo
kia koupe
honda crz

spirited driving, budget <100k, bigger than a sub-compact. id say, this

Just get those old hatch Civic with B18C. Or DC5R. RX8 can be one but taking care of it is another thing. Or Neo CPS R3, modded Neo.

Basically any manual car with hi rev-ing engine and around 120hp~200hp is good enough. Make sure they are felt planted well on to the ground and come with a good exhaust sound.


Spirited driving is not all about torque. If that were so, get a lorry.

Toyota Caldina GT4 N-Spec.. Only Auto, but Turbo + 4WD + LSD nice to go Genting or Cameron Highlands..

Buy this 1, sure got good resale value.. now around RM90~100k for 2nd hand..

Or Toyota Celica 1.8 VVTL-i around RM60~80k.. Choose Manual 6-speed for spirited driving...

This post has been edited by littlefire: Feb 1 2012, 11:22 AM

right, recon car has good resale value, price never drop.

Sporty + shown you are in luxury mode + <100k ==> Satria Neo R3

Not sure trolling or just stupid

satria also can tabao evo ma....manatau ppl mod kau kau already

Dunno! U care to explain?



U see that day the vios got mod kau kau or not?

he mod the egg ma. from leather to titanium. or he owe ppl money, trying to run away.

seriously forte not for spirited driving but a good commuter..n from honda city to forte is like downgrading..just like if u buy proton..n since u mention fd is already in ur home..the last option for a branded japanese is altis..lancer is like inspira but honestly lancer is much better handling in stock compare to inspira..looks good too but inspira spoilt the party!

308t is just nice..power is good..good tech..sharing the same engine wit mini's..people bad mouth about this car none other than becos of NAZA..period..

Those old impreza n evos are serious car..within ur budget an its practical too..

lou mei.... y u always titanium

there's a 30k to 40k gap

like i can tell you VW Golf Tsi is way better than 308THP from reliability to brand image, but there is also a 30k to 40k gap

or like golf to scirrocco.

TS Need to fix a budget and maintenance fee first.

evos and Sti are great, but maintenance.....i think need Ron97 too.

Inspalia has much more better driving comfort.

lol

there is no 30k-40k gap actually if buying a second hand lancer..but the difference says "is really 30k in the pocket" n a set of good abs to match tat handling is far more cheaper than the difference..

Those evos n imprezas can run wit 95..proven..n too pump 97 all the time to this machine also not a problem for the owner..people who cant afford the car thinks differently..

True..

Well..that is wat majority perception..only minority wit strong voice thinks differently..

i dun think TS ready to spend so much on cars like Evos and STis.

stop using those can afford or cannot afford kind of mentality.

are you saying TS cannot afford evos and Stis?

This post has been edited by turbocharged: Feb 1 2012, 12:57 PM

guys i think u are all moving in the wrong direction.

money i can get a little more expensive if i wanted to but i think that wouldn't be so practical.

my parents wouldn't want me to drive sports car and my family knows the deceased of a recent R34 that crashed and the passengers dead and car broke into half news just before Chinese New year

I want something which I can enjoy the thrill of driving. in comfort, with some style, doesn't really look too cheap.

evos and stis sure its easy to afford one.
it's not easy to maintain one.
i will use the car for daily work purpose as well
Ron95 petrol is decent.
until i earn a 5 figure salary, I will only consider a beemer/merc level.

i didnt say to TS..but since we are in fast n furious but not kopitiam..whenever about fast come wit high fuel consumption..to care bout fc but loving to drive fast is a contradiction..

Lets back to topic..started wit TS mentioning upgrading cars tat fulfill his crave for spirited driving i believe he is well aware tat his interest come wit a price to pay..



This post has been edited by Daniel John: Feb 1 2012, 01:29 PM

TS, from your choice ,308thp is not bad. u try to go test drive first.

mazda 3 2.0

What about Volkswagen Polo GTI / Golf ?

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Added on February 1, 2012, 1:46 pmI thought Inspira is suppose to handle better due to "Lotus Handling" ?

This post has been edited by Area51SE: Feb 1 2012, 01:46 PM

as mentioned, spirited driving is what people coin for speed. but spirited driving (like to me) also means "first love driving"/ chor lin drive

which u embrace the car and just cruise.

we know performance and fuel consumption increase go hand in hand.
even my honda city, people always talk around 14km/l for vtec. i drive around 12-12.5km/l because i always go above 3k rpm but that's nto an issue to me.

behind the wheel, some drivers want to feel that the car is meant for them only, not the passengers.

Hi salience, perhaps u may test drive a golf. A TSI also will do. Then only u decide with price

Bro, i have to disagree that driving sports car would be dangerous.. The only 1 that is dangerous is the driver attitude.. If he always speed here n there, cut here cut there without considering others.. even driving a Kancil or Saga also can die also...

Besides that, a lot of ppl said that the R34 is a potong and sambung car from half-cut.. dont know this rumours true or not..

But new modern sport cars safety nowadays are for sure better then your honda city...

true.

modern sports cars are more expensive, like the new ft86 that's coming or even the hot hatch subaru impreza or the megane coupe.

drivers will be drivers.
when u have a powerful car
when u are alone at night
when the roads are clear

don't u feel the urge to step and VROOOOOOM all the way? I do.

but i don't want that to happen. i want to enjoy the scenery, enjoy the ride. hahahaha

soo drama right?

308T would be your ideal choice for following reasons:
- Powerfull in its class
- Sufficient space
- Ron95
- Conti Badge
- aroun 100k budget

Peugeot 308 = Good car.. but I kinda guarantee that u'll freaking regret buying any car from NAZA.. the after sales service is number 1 counting from the back

if i had the budget to get a golf gtri, i'd look around bwms,lexus ct,etc.

yea, after sales service is a concern but i might even consider other mechanics.

Considering other mechanics will void ur warranty and conti cars parts is a bomb is the pocket..

Aiyo! Ppl not cheapskate like u la. Confirm better den u SC lo.

Cabutzzzzzzz

top up bit and get Mark X

Cheapskate only can get cheap car la..

Bro, if you just want to enjoy the scenery. Just buy a convertible car..

If dont want to VROOOOM all the way, buy an underpower or old car like VW beetle 60~70's to coup your urge.. Can even enjoy the scenery more coz cannot drive fast..

Anyway if ur budget is really around RM100k, Peugeot 308T is the best to go...

U will know the difference if u drive both car n tackle the same corner wit the same pace..

Inspira suspension softer than lancer..

i will see how high i could score on my FC instead. will try to hit a 20km/l but nevertheless its hard to maintain at that range. normally it will be around 12-18km/l. Spirited driving can go as low as 0.04 km/l but happens when i'm in the need for speed.

you are right.

stock suspension for inspira costs about rm500 full set vs rm2000 full set for lancer

Mazda MX5, reliable, great handling, open top, looks great, fits your driving style

close topic pls

i rather eye on my speed meter to get higher score..... lol...... only eye on fc meter if i cannot afford to pump petrol

Well played sir

Simple....Test drive the 308T...floor the pedals and corner real hard...if you dare


This post has been edited by azbro: Feb 1 2012, 05:08 PM

If a Honda crashed liek the R34... it wont break into half?

People keep saying sportscar are dangerous .... why? Most sports car have more safety features then your average sedans... those thinking is just ridiculous..

Sure wont break la... People car got ceramic discs. Dont bring ppl to holland. Ask ppl buy Insight la. Got ceramic discs and ABS confirm is a safe car.

since you did not stated that you dont mind 2nd hand cars..i would think that honda accord will be great...oh well..considering an upgrade, comfort, and power ride too..

Only thing is the driving style need some getting used to. Test drove an MX-5 before, seating position pretty much like lying down

do not feed the trolls

so wats the different from YOU bad mouth on INSPIRA because it's from PROTON ??? stewpik hypocrites,
with all due respect, i agree PROTON sucks.but not the car..INSPIRA is the best bang for bucks........i DARE u to try the car 1st b4 u make another stupid comment....


then go for PRIUS, sondless when u cruising, spacious, comfart, and good FC, hell it's a TOYOTA, everyone knows toyota is indestructable and good resale value

it's the perfect driving position. if u want high seating u don't buy a sports car, if u want a good handling car u don't buy a high seating car.

Yeah I didn't say its bad or anything. I just said it needs some getting used to as it differs with most cars

TS,
For new cars
- Ford Fiesta
- Inspira 1.8 Manual

Used
- Mazda 6 MPS (not sure if M'sia has this)
- Caldina GT4
- Swift Sport A/M
- Skylines, Evo Lancers n Scoobys (but agree tat maintainin them will b significantly different than ur fuel sipping VTEC)
- 308THP
- Satria GTI/Neo R3

Personally I'll get d 1.8 Inspira manual, coz its new (warranty n risk), very potential even in stock form, practical without asking too much on maintenance n has plenty of after market stuff.

If used is considered, d Swift Sport n Caldina GT4 gets my vote for easier to source parts n common maintenance (1.6 in d SS is almost similar to d SX4 while d GT4's 3SGTE as to d Camry/Celica's 5S/3S although both need higher octane rating than ron95)

Of course theres plenty of used higher performance cars out there but one cannot help weighing d risk on their age n y d previous owners wanna let these 'fun' cars go in d 1st place. Hunt around n u'll understand y.

This post has been edited by Deja Vu: Feb 1 2012, 06:50 PM

u forgot the one car that fit's all of TS requirements, the Toyota Altezza BEAMS. 4 door sedan, rear wheel drive, 2 litre BEAMS engine with a reasonable price tag