It's here folks! Why haven't you play it yet?


Essential fix and tweak:

Resolution fix (also remove mouse cursor in the game):

http://blog.metaclassofnil.com/

Mouse fix:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/show...d.php?t=2910072



This post has been edited by memphiz_zero88: Oct 21 2014, 05:43 AM

Sorry, I already finished the game on PS3. lol

well, i support it. dark souls and demon souls is seriously good game. why not share the love to everyone? though i think this game need to be played using a controller even though after being ported to pc

ok me signed

/signed

but i'm not sure my laptop (yes i'm a uni student with only laptop) can run it if it's released before 2014.

2014?

i bet 2015..

Signed. I want this game too.

Petition signed.

No idea what is this game about.

Signed too.

One of the motto of this game is "You will died....alot". With motto like this and my pleasure to torture myself with high difficulty game, it goes along very well.

Well, we can put the difficulty akin to roguelike though the level is not randomly generated. The benefit of this on PC? No more 10 FPS at Blighttown.

And you look at that. Currently 20888 signatures in 17 hours. Surely this will convince Namco-Bandai? If the game is ported to PC and sold well surely this will encourage more Japanese publishers/developers to take PC more seriously?

signed.

I hope KOEI also start making games for PC.

i no ps3 so i sign

Signeeeddd!

yo TS, make one thread at /k/ so we can spearhead the demand for signature and gain more coverage

I don't go there anymore. So you do it.

Besides the subforum must be flooded with 901 now. You can create the thread there if you want.

aight man, hope the PC community effort do not go to waste with this

Not a fan of namco bandai, not signed.

This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Jan 7 2012, 04:21 PM

Signed

wasn't u own ps3 already?

I don't really have the chance to play on ps3 cause my housemates use it for FIFA and NBA frequently. I like to take my time to explore and immerse in its gameplay and atmosphere, not people sitting there waiting to play their game or worse, make me feel that my games are boring. Those are games like Mass Effect 2. In the end, I barely played the games I got. Not point buying Dark Souls then.

Also, I still prefer playing it on pc if I have the chance. better graphics, controls and frame rates.

How about this one?

I personally have my doubts about playing dark souls on pc. From software and namco bandai do not have much experience with pc network multiplayer, I fear that should a pc version appear it would be filled with hacked characters who would just grief you in game.

While this game can be played offline, it's best experienced online and you cannot opt out of pvp. The online gameplay is also based entirely on anonymous matchmaking which means you are not supposed team up with friends easily. In this type of situation, hacked characters really spoil the game. On consoles, hacked characters are far rarer although they still do exist.

Having played dark souls to completion on the xbox, i have to say this is probably the best "pc game(that's not on the pc)" that ticks all the correct "hardcore" boxes on consoles.

Which is why we need this to be put on the platform it belongs to. Yes I think we have those problems of matchmaking, hacks and the possibility of shoddy console port. For matchmaking I don't whether they will continue with this or different type of hosting. With the right anti-cheats, it should cut down those hacks by considerable amount I guess. For one I think this game deserves more audiences. With added moddability it will even better I think.

just saw the DarkSouls trailer in GameTrailer.com
wah.. looks interesting but not available in pc.. so sad

If one of the features you're asking for is the ability to mod the game, then you don't really know what you're asking for. This is a game that has to be experienced they way the developer intended. Sure, you'd get improved textures running at native 1920x1200 but there are so many more ways that this game would be broken.

Potential areas for modding because these are the areas that pc users will always whine about:

Auto savingso if you make a mistake you can't undo it. Kill an important npc, and you're stuck with a choice of pressing on knowing the game will be much harder or starting again. No respecs so again you're stuck if you mess up.
Death causes respawn at checkpoints, surely there should be a quicksave/quickload button. Except for the fact that every time you die, you are supposed to learn a lesson.
You can't pause, so if you get into a battle with the wrong equipment you're stuck unless you can manage your inventory without dying.
Limited FOV? yep the game is supposed to be claustrophobic.
No easy matchmaking with friends? Yep you're supposed to go into battle with/against strangers.
Persistant online connection even if you're just playing single player? Yep, because your actions can also effect another persons game.
No minimap so too bad if you get lost.

Mod any of the above and you'll just break the game.

Sure Dark Souls deserves a larger audience, it's just that it's my personal feeling that the pc community doesn't deserve this game.

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Jan 9 2012, 12:39 PM

strong words there, its very unlikely they will provide mod support for the game anyway

it's a win win situation if the games get released on PC

Well, just wait.

It's not like you have completed all your games on Steam.

I know I have yet to complete most of mine anyways.

well some i just have no interest in and some give me seizures (max payne)

Nonetheless, wait for official announcement.

hope for the best my man

I think that some of the limitation is intended to increase the difficulty and some clearly because of console limitation. But by modding I mean more like custom levels.

Besides, those difficulties are present in some games on PC, especially those of roguelikes and dungeon crawlers.

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Added on January 9, 2012, 5:30 pmHeck just look at those games exclusive to PC.

EVE, STALKER, ArmA.

Notice the similarity? We deserve this more than those console peasants /masterrace

This post has been edited by hakimix: Jan 9 2012, 05:30 PM

i watched the gameplay youtube. may i know why's the game fun? is there anything i missed out? from the gameplay vids it looks like normal japan action rpg...just that the monsters are huge!

http://asia.gamespot.com/dark-souls/videos...-review-6337762

This game intention is to get u kill, I finish it on my ps3 and it is one of the most challenging game out there.

First no save is provided... The game cannot be save, u leave the game and when u enter back u will be back at the same place.

Dying won't make u game over but u will loose everything including ur soul (experience n money here) and also ur humanity. Only way to get them back is to travel back to the same location to retrieve them but all the Emmy will be revived too.

It plays like diablo n legend of Zelda... U need to make ur own weapon in order to be strong n to survive through the environment... High level does not help on surviving.

PVP is not the main point is more like PVE, u can write down summon sign and u may summon others to ur world to help (random), u may also invade people world or be invaded by others. But this all can only happen if u r in human form.

I thought PC gamer hate console port?

yeah that's why i dont know what this game hype is about. hahaha...and a japanese game. i've no background on this. the menu in the youtube vids are japs too. i cant read a thing. lol...

thanks for enlightening 0300078.

Dark Souls PC teased, “an announcement is coming” says official Facebook page


PCG

holy....

hmmm, wasnt it this game that alot ppl complain they have to die like gazillion times?

^ yes, if you have no patience cannot play this game one

easy make u rage lol

this better be on STEAM and NOT GFWL!

Yup it's true. But those who mastered the game actually like it a lot for the difficulty, those who cant cope usually ends up selling it to others.
Demon Soul was the first one to come out before Dark Soul so at least people already know what to expect from this game this time.
Pretty sure Demon Souls had a lot more people rage quit after losing tons of souls

No latest console, definitely signing.

Maybe tomorrow i will send some of my gameplay screenshot of dark soul ps3. Hope u all can "menghayati" the true difficult of dark soul. He3

I still have it brand new and sealed... haven't open yet haven't even finished Demons Souls

At least the combat accurateness and mechanics is great that it makes up for the difficulty. So when you die it's your shortcomings rather then the controls.
Plus dying a lot is a part of the game here I suppose, and it doesn't really punish you like other games because you just need to collect back the xp points at the place where you 'dropped' it instead of replaying the whole ordeal.

Signed the petition, probably gonna sign the other one, and bought the 360 version from a frustrated friend in a raw deal (he sold it to me for RM20 saja! muahahahaha!) and still waiting for it. Where's the port, Bamco?!

Also, this needs to be in HD


This post has been edited by Loto: Mar 30 2012, 06:43 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469409

have fun

More sauce

http://gamingbolt.com/dark-souls-prepare-t...to-pc-in-august

Buy this on the first day, play it screaming, be happy that you are playing a GREAT GAME!!!

hope no one trash their monitor that day lol

hope it will be on steam

yessssssssssssssssssssssss

Holy, the PC Powerplay copy is right in my hands and i didnt know "You Died" is actually for Dark Souls.

Gonna get this game. Just hope i didnt destroy my keyboard or laptop out of frustration.

Sadly, its GFWL.

aww yeah!!! it's happening!!

oh great GFWL. so just wait for discount on steam then....
if it manage to go on steam.....

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Added on April 12, 2012, 7:01 am http://www.change.org/petitions/namco-band...r-windows-live#
another petition is on, go sign up

This post has been edited by memphiz_zero88: Apr 12 2012, 07:01 AM

Oh god, why did you use GFWL?

meh then it possiblity it gonna be region restricted

Oh GFWL, lol buggers just shot themselves in the head

Enlighten me. What's the problem with GFWL? :|

played blade of darkness before... awesome game, scary, gory...

sign

Guys... Dark Souls needs to be part of GFWL to increase the difficulty of the game

Dont think i want to get this game on Day 1. Do not want to be frustrated by GFWL again.

Problem 1: Our region not supported by GFWL
Problem 2: You can lose your safe files just like that
Problem 3: You can get dropped out suddenly from a ongoing multiplayer game
Problem 4: The GUI sucks (for me at least)
Problem 5: There could be more problems


Sure there are some workarounds, some users not experiencing these but i personally had a few problems with it so....yea it sucks

"Hurf Durf pirates stealing our gaems! Let's use worst possible DRM to counter them! Hurf Durf"

Haha +1 to this. With GFWL you should definitely prepare to die when playing this game .

Sounds like a perfect fit for this game. I'm on! Masochism here I come.

TROLOLOLOLOL

Guys...pls sign this petition for the sake of our sanity.

https://www.change.org/petitions/namco-band...r-windows-live#

To thread starter, would be good if you could put the petition on the front page.

edit
alamak lmbt cucuk, was posted a page back.but still, get this to the front page too.

This post has been edited by nightshade_nova: Apr 13 2012, 02:11 AM

They end the petition with "Steam or no sale"? So they want to replace one platform/DRM with another to please some steam fanboys? I mean GFWL is not great for the most part but i think the game will play fine irrespectively.

The reason they're using GFWL is most likely due to the fact that it's coming out in 4 months time and they do not want to rewrite the matchmaking net code from scratch. It would be relatively easy for them to port the net code from xboxlive to GFWL.

Online multiplayer in dark souls does not use your friends list or voice chat, co-op and pvp combat worked really well on xboxlive even when i knew that most of the people i was playing with and against were not local.

However, what's worrying is anti-cheat protection (or the lack of) in GFWL particularly save game hacking.

best post yet

Try buying Batman AC from Malaysia online, and let me know what you think of the problem

Hint: It uses GFWL. Not supported in Malaysia

This post has been edited by Hornet: Apr 13 2012, 12:22 PM

Well it's not available on steam. but what about impulsedriven http://www.impulsedriven.com/batmanac or gamersgate http://www.gamersgate.co.uk/DD-BMAC/batman-arkham-city ? Wouldn't that be steam's fault that it's not available here?

Having said that, I've not actually tried buying from them, all i know is they don't give me the "sorry not available in your area" error. I do actually emphatise, not having malaysia as an actual supported region really does suck, as a gamer, a quick google will tell you how to bypass that.

I'm fine with people complaining about GFWL, a lot of the times it's justified, the end-user experience is rubbish. But saying "I want steam or no buy" instead is just fanboyism.

I'm waiting for confirmation from NB before signing anything. The petition is poorly worded though, yes (Big Mclargehuge? Seriously?).

Its it wrong for me to want to keep all my games under the same library for the purpose of convenience? See its about having options that I can choose from. You may be fine getting your games from a dozen different places, but I don't like doing that, having multiple accounts here and there for a handful of games.
Regardless, the reason why its not on Steam is because GFWL is not available here. If you're in Singapore, you'll be able to see it.

BTW, didn't some users had issues activating their Batman AC cd key?

The fact is, GFWL does NOT support Malaysia. Register an account there and you won't even have the option for that. There's absolutely no reason for this. If you want to push that piece of crap, at least make it available worldwide.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Apr 13 2012, 02:00 PM

I'm not sure what your point is since I'm pretty much in agreement with you here in regards to regional restrictions sucking. Whether it's steam, origin or gfwl, any form of regional restriction is bad for consumer. If you refuse to play a game because it's not on steam, the only person losing out is you.

My main problem with the new petition is still the "steam or no sale", and since this is about choice, what about those of us who don't want to buy the game on steam? I'm not sure how consumers these days have been indoctrinated into accepting monopolies.

GFWL is not great to use, i think most people are in agreement there. The game itself will be fine, if they can prevent hackers and cheats.

I think the main problem with GFWL is that Microsoft isn't really focused on this platform, so it might quietly die away someday. They are mostly devoted to supporting XBL.

That's the thing, they messed up on it in the first place so it has been dying slowly on life support for the longest time. However you're definitely right that they're focusing on xboxlive, particularly windows 8 integration.

Back to the game though, I'm just going to keep harping on the fact that they need to get the anonymous matchmaking right. GFWL can definitely do this, but it would mean having to put up with all the crap that comes along with it.

To be honest, I don't feel any loss not playing these games

I do get games outside of Steam, like Battlefield 3 on Origin or the upcoming Diablo 3. These are great games AND their own DRM isn't that much of an issue like GFWL.

Its about making potential sales to the fence sitter. Games like this one is something most of us can live without. There's only so much we can spend on video games and have the time to actually play them, the one with something to lose is these companies, not the gamers. To push something like GFWL, you've got to make sure your game is mighty good and have a large fan base like Diablo 3 or Mass Effect for example.

Otherwise, its best they ensure that their games is available through as many method as possible.

You should just play the PS3 version though... you can find it very heavily discounted by now.

Japanese have a pretty bad record at late ports to PC.

Played and completed on 360. Apparently it suffered less slowdown than the PS3 version in online play although this is just from lurking in the ps3 subforums.

I must say i really enjoyed the experience and I'm willing to give this game another go on the pc especially if they're adding new (high-res) content.

@hornet, I really wouldn't recommend this game to a fence sitter as i don't really want my name cursed to hell and back. PC is really an afterthought for this game.

Namco Bandai did it right with Ridge Racer Unbounded with Steamworks out of the box. They manage to port RRU from PSN or Xbox LIVE to Steamworks, what make it so difficult to port Dark Souls to Steamworks if they have done it in the first place? RRU did have some multiplayer issue, but those problems can be fixed. To be honest, I rather have a broken Steamworks implementation than GFWL to begin with. If i am not wrong, Space Pirate and Zombies developers took 1 week to implement Steamworks into their game with full Steam intergration such as authentication, achievements and so on. Considering Dark Souls is a more complex game, maybe a month would be sufficient.

Many publishers such as THQ, Codemasters, Bethesda and 2K had abandon GFWL in their newer games for Steamworks because Steamworks is more acceptable by gamers. Even Square Enix, who is also a Japanese publisher also use Steamworks for all their games. At the same time, Steamworks is far less problematic because Valve actually improves the Steam's functionality, while Microsoft never improve GFWL at all. Just because Xbox LIVE is working great, no doubt it's a great system, that does not mean GFWL is the same, even if both is using the same backend. GFWL is a terrible system by any stretch, worse than TAGES with it's 3 activation limit, Securom or even Starforce.

When your game is using a better, easier to use system, the sale of the game will be much better. PC gamers get to play an absolutely stellar game, while Namco Bandai manage to make a profit out of it. So, why shouldnt any developer use Steamworks in their games? Even Alan Wake uses Steamworks, despite its a port from 360 and manage to earn back their investment in porting the game over to PC in a few days. Bethesda seem to be making a huge profit with Skyrim on Steam with the game constantly appearing at Top 10 Best Sellers. From a business prospective, i do not see why Dark Souls should not use Steamworks. "Steam or no sale" indeed is fanboyism, but i can see the reason behind it.

A game with GFWL is a no buy for me. Anything else, from TAGES, Securom, Steamworks, Origin or even Ubisoft DRM are alright for me. GFWL has caused me numerous hassle in even playing a game that i legitimately own, why should i bear the frustration again? I do not mind dying in Dark Souls, but the frustration of using GFWL is just not worth the hassle at all.

So, they finally release the game for PC after you guys have been asking for it, and you guys are threatening them by not buying the game unless the switch their online platform? PC gamers are really amazing people. You can rest assured that if this sells poorly after people have been asking for it, Namco Bandai won't be porting any more games to PC. So far, they have 2 games on PC according to Wikipedia. And Dark Souls will increase this number to a whopping 3. Namco Bandai really has very little faith in PC to begin with.

Really, you people are not entitled to steamworks for the online platform. That is up to the developers/publishers. All they have to give you is a good game with no bugs. I have never had a single problem with games using GFWL. But I have had problems with GFWL. There is a difference. I have problems with the region settings in GFWL, I have no idea how to turn my profile into an independent profile since long time ago, I created a fake email for the "parent" email. And the list goes on. But not once, has this affected my gaming experience since I don't buy DLC.

Have you ever considered how annoying Steam is if you share the account with your family? Holy shit, right now, I'm in UK and my brother's in Malaysia, there's a 7/8 hours time difference so it's not that much of a hassle. It is brilliant to have all your games accessible from the same location, but Steam isn't exactly without it's problems as well. Last time, they had this bug where the update required a bloody brilliant redownload of the whole game client, and you know how big TF2 is and how frequently it gets updates. Needless to say, I could never play TF2 because I was on bandwidth limited broadband (Maxis, Digi). I was actually annoyed that Skyrim was Steam-only. I knew that I would be playing Skyrim for hours at a time when I first got it. Whenever my brother wanted to play something I had to stop. Don't even bother going, Steam has an offline mode lelz, Steam's offline mode is trash. It's been nothing but trouble for me. And they don't even let you go into it unless you turn off your internet straight. At least in a GFWL game I can just choose to not sign-in.

Though maybe I'll have more issues with GFWL once I play another game? So far I've only played SFIV online frequently with it, and so far it has no problems. I've been disconnected from matches sometimes but it happens in every other platform as well.
All in all, I just want to say, not buying a game just because they choose an online platform that you don't like is ridiculous.
But of course, they're obviously not very experienced on the PC platform, so that might just be why they are choosing an online platform that people dislike. If you guys wanna complain then go ahead, but threatening to not buy the game is not how to do it. For all you know, if everyone's saying they're not going to buy the game, then they could outright cancel it. Now that would be bloody brilliant, huh?

Did you forget that the only reason this is coming to PC is because of massive fan support?

Putting GFWL with a good game will make it a much more frustrating experience for the gamer. As someone who had a lot of problems with GFWL, no way i'll stomach it again as the problems i had is far more than all the problems Steam, Origin, Ubisoft DRM combined.

Namco Bandai manage to release Ridge Racer Unbounded PC with Steamworks, and what makes it so difficult to release Dark Souls with Steamworks too? Since both games are by the same publisher.

Steam is not perfect by any means, especially the offline mode is difficult to use and it's ridiculous policy in banning people. I had the redownloading problem and i hate it with my guts too. And the problem with sharing account, its you yourself who got into this problem. Not the platform's problem and by Steam's EULA, you are not suppose to transfer your account to anyone else. Also, comparing all the Steam problems to GFWL, Steam is by far better and easier to use than GFWL which manage to be preferred service by most gamer.

At the same time, i would say, look into the unhappy Dark Souls PC gamer's thoughts. These people want Dark Soul to be a commercial success on PC and GFWL is preventing the game from being successful. Bulletstorm was a flop on PC partly due to GFWL with it's infamous bad multiplayer NAT and region locked for most countries in the world. How are you gonna achieve commercial success if you confine your game to that selected 35+ countries chose by Microsoft? Or on a DRM/multiplayer system that barely changed since it's launch? Even the original petition had a mock up Steam store page for Dark Souls where it could be a sign where consumers wants a Steamworks version.

I dont see this as an entitlement issue, as if the product is unfit for it's purpose, such as a game that comes with GFWL that has a very high chance of preventing you from playing your game, why should anyone buy it? Consumers need to have a good product with no glaring defects, which GFWL has been failing to provide it.

I made my stand, if Dark Souls comes with GFWL, no sale for me.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Apr 14 2012, 01:52 AM

I prefer clientless all day long, but Steamworks online is pretty good. Maybe it's easier for the developer to port the game with GFWL.



for me this statement sound arrogant, lots people buying into this idea "no Steam, no sale". I don't know why. They have the rights to make a petition, but this mentality look so wrong.

This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Apr 14 2012, 02:29 AM

So it's ok to push us PC gamers around like muppets and eat whatever is being fed to us? Please, this is not the first time that GFWL screw up lots of things. I wanted to buy Bulletstorm oh hey, region lock, batman arkham asylum, region lock. So many years down the road and we're still seeing the same handful of countries that are officially supported. My money's not good enough for them?

I have no intention of making another account for GFWL if that's the suggested workaround. I have too many accounts to remember; Origin, Steam, GFWL, GoG, etc. Steam aint the perfect thing out there but it's the best so far because they keep improving while GFWL improve by let's say 10% of what Steam did. (Ghost mic on dow2:cr anyone?)

Steam's policy of not letting users sharing account have its advantages and disadvantages though its disadvantages heavily outweights it. But when you look from a security standpoint, it's valid in such a way that only you alone have access to it so you would not have to worry about 3rd party screwing up your account such as VAC ban (nothing to do with your bro, just from a security point of view)

Namco Bandai published The Witcher 2 and Ridge Racer on the PC so its safe to say that they have some knowledge about the PC market. Relic guys did state that Steamworks>GFWL for their game and it helped alot with Retribution. How could every game developer/publisher not know this news when it was publish throughout the internet.

We're not 'threatening' them (though some are), it's just that we want to see this game succeed. A port that happened because of a horde of fans demanded it sounds pretty awesome. We're grateful to them for reaching out to the community and venturing to the PC market. However, most of us see that should they be utilising GFWL, it would dampen their chance of finding much success because of the many problems GFWL have and experienced by many. Sure some would say no steam = no sale, but not releasing your game on Steam as a dev would be quite silly as the consumer base on that platform is currently the largest in the PC gaming market.

Tldr = GFWL sucks, Steam can be sucky at times but the best so far, Steamworks>GFWL, Not threatening just want the game to succeed, Fanboys can be quite stupid

The entire video about the Dark Souls/GFWL PC port matter.

Yes, GFWL's region system is retarded. No other way to put it. It's simply retarded.

I didn't think it through when I wrote my first few lines.
Basically want I want to say is, I don't want this to require Steam to play, as someone who pretty much has a gaming family, that is really annoying.
Darksiders requires Steam. Skyrim requires Steam. DXHR requires Steam. Why? Really, why do I need to attach these games to Steam? I would love it if they provided that as an option but don't force me to use the damn thing, after all, they don't even have online modes dammit. And I know account sharing is not allowed in, well, just about every game lol. They don't want to deal with people complaining that it was their friend/neighbour/cousin/retarded younger sibling that did the stupid thing that caused the ban.

I'll understand if the games have an online mode since buying one game and having two people play online is a serious no-no.

The thing is, if you don't have a family member that shares your account, then you don't know how this feels. And at the same time, GFWL has never denied me access to my games, so I don't really have any problems with the platform.

Seems there is some sort of confusion regarding developer/publisher here. Ridge Racer unbounded was developed by bugbear which is more well known for it's flat out series, they have oodles of experience with online multiplayer. RRU was also developed from day 1 as a multi platform release, therefore it's not surprising for them to have planned for steamworks integration from day 1. Also, in the same way that namco bandai publishes the witcher 2 for cd projekt in some regions and platforms, i don't think you can blame/credit namco bandai for the witcher. What Namco Bandai are doing is putting the code on disc, in a box etc, marketing the game and concluding distribution deals with whoever wants to sell it. That's it.

Dark Souls is developed by From Software, the only other game they ever did that made it to PC was ninja blade which is single player. They are a Japanese Company. The publishing arrangements are complicated in the fact that in Japan the game is actually published independently by From Software and it is only the worldwide release that has been published by Namco Bandai. Japan does not really have a tradition of PC game development. They are only using namco bandai to release worldwide and therefore the decision on what matchmaking code to use is up to From Software. With such a short release window, it's not surprising that they considered GFWL due to its closeness to how xboxlive works - This is a pragmatic decision.

Bulletstorm was a flop on consoles as well. If it was a hit on console, no doubt this unreal engine game would be getting a sequel on all platforms too. Using GFWL as one of the reasons is just scapegoating.

Listen, steam is awesome, i like steam and i use it often. I don't like how they've turned games from a product that was meant to be enjoyed in circumstances such as that highlighted by Hahli9 to a single user non transferable licensed model. What I also don't like is a gabe trooper asking for a signature on a petition threatening steam or no sale. This in no way stops me from buying and enjoying a game that's on steam.

Ultimately, if you choose not to buy DS because it comes with GFWL, that's fine too. After all, you're entitled to vote with your wallet. It just seems to me that making the decision now without even waiting for reviews or customer feedback about how the port has been implemented is a bit foolish.

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Apr 14 2012, 12:28 PM

I am assuming you have not played RRU. RRU is also just a port with console issues on the PC version such as 30 fps lock and a strange bug with it's multiplayer system. It wasnt even a good port like Skyrim or Alan Wake to begin with.

As mentioned by indie developers, such as Minmax Games, Steamworks is extremely easy to implement where it only took a week for Minmax to add Steamworks to their almost completed game. From Software has no reason not to choose Steamworks over dreaded GFWL, other than its a bad decision. Even Relic claimed that the porting from GFWL to Steamworks is fairly easy to do and also resulted better sales of the Retribution expansion.

No one's blaming From Software or Namco Bandai for the poor decision. PC gamers wants to see this decision changed before its too late.

There is nothing to do with the similarity of code with xbox LIVE. Alan Wake was a 360 exclusive game but the PC version does not have GFWL at all. Remedy took about 6 months to port the game over, and add PC specific features with some aid from an external studio. In the end, they manage to earn back all their investments for the PC port in a few days.

Why cant From Software do the same as Remedy? Rather than using GFWL, even if PC gamers hates it so much. Then, release Dark Souls with GFWL and could not earn back the money they spent to port the game over. After that, blaming that all PC gamers are pirates while the truth is, their DRM and multiplayer system is unfit for purpose.

Nobody wants to see that happening, which is why almost everyone wants this bad decision with GFWL be changed.

Bulletstorm did even worse on PC than consoles, due to the region lock that GFWL impose on and it's poor reputation that it has been giving since it's launch. Blaming GFWL is not scapegoating in this case, as it is just a terrible DRM and online system by any means that discourage people from buying the game.

I do not see whats wrong with the non transferable model as it is done to increase security of a game. Me and my brother have a Steam account each, and i have no problem getting single player games for 2 separate account as games do not cost that much during Steam sales.

No one is being a Gabe trooper, but PC gamers wants to see Dark Souls to be successful on PC. Putting GFWL is just trying to piss off legitimate owners while restrict the sales to a handful of countries. People are done with GFWL with countless horrible experience with Fallout 3, Dirt series, Dawn of War series and so on. They do not want to see Dark Souls being ruined by GFWL.

Majority of users who used GFWL for a while will know how intrusive or annoying is the system. There is no need for any customers feedback since GFWL is never being improved on. I do not think that the idea of not buying Dark Souls because it has GFWL is a foolish decision. In fact, the idea of ignoring the poor reputation that has been associated with GFWL for years while still buy the game is even more foolish.

The question is, have you even used GFWL? Or you are just looking from the point of view of the well implemented Xbox LIVE? Both GFWL and Xbox LIVE are completely different thing to begin with, except they share the same backend.

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Added on April 14, 2012, 7:33 pm+1 to Total Biscuit. I do agree most of the stuff he said, but i do not agree with the "tolerate GFWL" part. It's a subpar system with no improvements ever made.

No way im gonna spend my money on it, unless there is a huge sale with it.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Apr 14 2012, 07:43 PM

Not played RRU, it's not really my genre. But then again, I'm not really sure why you're bringing it up as an argument for steamworks implementation if you admit that it's not a good port.

Also, I'm not sure why you're bringing up Alan Wake which has zero online multiplayer content. Space Pirates and Zombies is also single player so in the case of remedy and minmax games, all they have to do is make sure the steam achievements pop. Relic made the transition to steam pretty well, but then they've already had their experience with online play on Company of Heroes, they run their own servers and so on so they know what they have to do to get matchmaking and lag free gameplay right.

From Software have no such pc experience, and no experience of working with steam. I sincerely hope that its them handling the port and not some random 3rd party studio. Dark Souls will be peer to peer hosting, a bit like what street fighter does, which is GFWL. It will be anonymous. Getting it to run on steamworks is more than just getting achievements to pop. Maybe you can only see GFWL from the DRM aspect (if this was the only aspect, I would be 100% in agreement with you). For me I see it as a solution to getting the net code and matchmaking right.

Basically, fans wanted it on pc, they're getting it. They're also getting it in August. Changing from GFWL will result in a delay. Simple as that.

Main reason for my rant was "steam or no sale" in the petition. I'm still old fashioned in the sense that as a gamer who's been gaming for 30years+, I like the idea of being able to lend things that i own out, ie books, DVDs, CDs and yes this includes games, so yeah in that sense i don't like what Steam has done to the industry. The original petition was worded really nicely, the current one? not so.

I'm also one of those who've not had any problems on GFWL, I've played online on games like dirt 2, DOW2 and Chaos Rising, Batman AA, SFIV and I can also understand the problems users have with it. However this really is irrelevant to my argument, since I'm just saying that if the reviews come out saying that despite the fact that it's on GFWL it's really good and a user still refuses to get it based on blind hatred or prejudice, there's nothing more i can say

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Apr 14 2012, 08:40 PM

Dark Souls devs say Games for Windows Live discussions are “still ongoing”



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