good one.

actually if we really wanna see the design difference between korean and japs, you can try to sit in kia forte, and then you can try maybe civic or city.

Immediately you can notice, korean is trying too hard. the interior is too busy. like clothes, you cant have too many colours on you in one time. THis is the styling difference, they saw too many nice stuff, so they wanna cramp it all in one car.

As oppose to local design, they saw all the crappy stuff, so they can only give you crappy interior. THe jap has their direction in the interior, for civic, its futuristic, so you see minimalist and futuristic design. CIty, the car is entry level, so, keep it simple and functional.

Even BMW, they want you to concentrate driving, so the interior is very bland and nothing to show off. While kia, is trying very hard to get the WOW factor from you. But no worries, its not a bad thing, they will only get better and better.

Once again, japanese is all about reliability. no one bothers to challenge them on this. And resale value is all about reliability. Who is going to buy your second hand car? rich ppl or not so rich ppl? Those not so rich ppl, what do they think about? They wanna save more money, so they are willing to pay more for cars that are reliable(that they think is reliable).

To them, even local car is reliable, simple because its everywhere, spare parts, service center, acc shop. THey feel safe by buying a car thats available everywhere. Unless you have 3 cars in your garage, otherwise, one will even worry what will happen when their ferrari fails.

And the reputation of reliable is not built over night. Korean car's 10 years warranty in US is not transferable, but its a start, to let ppl notice them. We consumer will definitely benefit from this korean vs jap car war. So now Kia is giving 5 years unlimited warranty, and VW too, to give owner a peace of mind. While jap car, no one ever question why they only give 3 years/100k. Simple, they are proven(at least public mindset is) .

Is this true? Cos if it is, it sure is a pretty preposterous price...   

Kereta Hyundai Elantra Baru

Why do ppl keep slamming the so called 'Malaysian Mindset'? Ask yourselves this: HOW WAS THIS MINDSET CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

That's an important question. Mindsets are created based on experiences. Many of you are using the current Korean makes as examples to slam those with the so called 'anti Korean' mindset. But let me tell you that it was the Koreans themselves which created this mindset by giving us crap cars in the past. Go read up about Korean cars since the 1980's and ull see all the horror stories. We are not talking about 1 or 2 cases mind you.

The Japanese built their reputation over a long period. Ask any of our older generation of elders and they will mostly say that Toyota is the brand of choice even compared to some European makes. Right from the Toyota LE days which span more than 30 years. While the Koreans were busy producing crappy models (although not all), the Japanese were busy establishing themselves in the mind and hearts of their users. Loyalty isnt created overnight.

So now that the Koreans have awakened from their slumber and realised that they need to produce better cars before they become obsolete, we are getting better products with better specs and more futuristic designs. This is a good effort but to expect that the mentality of the ppl will change overnight just because of some good designs and specs is too much to ask for. The Japs took more than 30 years to build up the reputation they currently enjoy. Do u actually expect mentality changes and loyalty swings just cuz the Koreans came out with the Forte, Sportage, Sonata, Optima, etc in the last 3 years?

It will be a slow process which the Koreans need to patiently endure and persevere. Durability is still something that people are generally pessimistic about the Korean makes. Again dont blame them. End users did not merely imagine bad quality, they experienced it themselves. Ive got a Korean make in my home and im not impressed with its build quality at all. While there may be a few cases of good experiences among older Korean makes, but the general picture isnt good at all. But once ppl have the confidence, sales will improve and with that resale values will increase.

With the Koreans picking up steam, it only means that the Japanese cannot afford to relax any more and merely bank on loyalty to boost sales. They have to come up with better designs and specs to match the Koreans. All this means we the end users will get better products and more choice.

Cheers!

good one.

actually if we really wanna see the design difference between korean and japs, you can try to sit in kia forte, and then you can try maybe civic or city.

Immediately you can notice, korean is trying too hard. the interior is too busy. like clothes, you cant have too many colours on you in one time. THis is the styling difference, they saw too many nice stuff, so they wanna cramp it all in one car.

As oppose to local design, they saw all the crappy stuff, so they can only give you crappy interior. THe jap has their direction in the interior, for civic, its futuristic, so you see minimalist and futuristic design. CIty, the car is entry level, so, keep it simple and functional.

Even BMW, they want you to concentrate driving, so the interior is very bland and nothing to show off. While kia, is trying very hard to get the WOW factor from you. But no worries, its not a bad thing, they will only get better and better.

Once again, japanese is all about reliability. no one bothers to challenge them on this. And resale value is all about reliability. Who is going to buy your second hand car? rich ppl or not so rich ppl? Those not so rich ppl, what do they think about? They wanna save more money, so they are willing to pay more for cars that are reliable(that they think is reliable).

To them, even local car is reliable, simple because its everywhere, spare parts, service center, acc shop. THey feel safe by buying a car thats available everywhere. Unless you have 3 cars in your garage, otherwise, one will even worry what will happen when their ferrari fails.

And the reputation of reliable is not built over night. Korean car's 10 years warranty in US is not transferable, but its a start, to let ppl notice them. We consumer will definitely benefit from this korean vs jap car war. So now Kia is giving 5 years unlimited warranty, and VW too, to give owner a peace of mind. While jap car, no one ever question why they only give 3 years/100k. Simple, they are proven(at least public mindset is) .

RM110k for 1.8 Elantra is like commiting harakiri!!

Hopefully its only speculation

Sorry tldr

But talk is cheap, action speaks louder then words. I had never bought a T or H car in my life so far. Have you?

see, even you(who has both civic and forte)  cannot accept 110k for 1.8 elantra.

but how come many ppl can accept 120k for 1.8 civic?(yours should be 115k when you bought)

can you share why do you think elantra cannot be 10k cheaper? must be much much more cheaper?

can you give a review on the handling of both civic and fote?

it's not why Korean cars resale value is bad, but why the Civic's resale value is so good? a depreciation of 16K over 2 years for a 131K car...

why would ppl even allow this?

it's not why Korean cars resale value is bad, but why the Civic's resale value is so good? a depreciation of 16K over 2 years for a 131K car...

why would ppl even allow this?

Resale values are determined by demand which is always a reflection of original sales. Its not just the Civic which has good resale values. Take a look at the Toyota Vios. A 2003 model (1st gen) Vios 1.5E sells for about 40K now. Thats a depreciation of only 46% over 8 yrs which roughly works out to be 5.75% per year. Why? Because of demand plus original sales are the best among the non national cars.

that's a beauty of malaysia
if other country the car is no value at all
still people think cars here is expensive
p/s: just my opinion. No need to debate ya

While a Hyundai Accent 1.5 2004 is what? 17k RM? So... Hyundai cars have to be 20k+ lower then Toyota before its value for money 

Do u know anything bout taxation on motor vehicles in Malaysia? People dont THINK cars here are expensive. They ARE expensive. Resale value is more important here because of the initial high prices ure paying for cars.

A new BMW 328i costs only US$40K in America. (Dont do a currency exchange as u are not a tourist). So with such low prices would anybody bother about resale value? Surely not. But we can't say the same about Malaysia can we? Our cars cost approx 6X more than many other countries.

y the price is up?
because hyundai saw the demand on this page,

I rather get a japanese still for the price....

Do u know anything bout taxation on motor vehicles in Malaysia? People dont THINK cars here are expensive. They ARE expensive. Resale value is more important here because of the initial high prices ure paying for cars.

A new BMW 328i costs only US$40K in America. (Dont do a currency exchange as u are not a tourist). So with such low prices would anybody bother about resale value? Surely not. But we can't say the same about Malaysia can we? Our cars cost approx 6X more than many other countries.

totally agreed with ur bro, or else get Forte.
I also think same thing during place the elantra's booking. dont want to show a demand. But at the end book jugak lah
Lets make simple calculation
US40k = 120k
after 5 years you lost 120k. Not including expensive insurance.
malaysia you bought it let say 280k
after 5 years you can sell it at least 140k
you lost 140k 

totally agreed with ur bro, or else get Forte.
I also think same thing during place the elantra's booking. dont want to show a demand. But at the end book jugak lah
Lets make simple calculation
US40k = 120k
after 5 years you lost 120k. Not including expensive insurance.
malaysia you bought it let say 280k
after 5 years you can sell it at least 140k
you lost 140k 

totally agreed with ur bro, or else get Forte.
I also think same thing during place the elantra's booking. dont want to show a demand. But at the end book jugak lah
Lets make simple calculation
US40k = 120k
after 5 years you lost 120k. Not including expensive insurance.
malaysia you bought it let say 280k
after 5 years you can sell it at least 140k
you lost 140k 

this 1 gonna be very hard to customize/change after market HU....

Resale values are determined by demand which is always a reflection of original sales. Its not just the Civic which has good resale values. Take a look at the Toyota Vios. A 2003 model (1st gen) Vios 1.5E sells for about 40K now. Thats a depreciation of only 46% over 8 yrs which roughly works out to be 5.75% per year. Why? Because of demand plus original sales. The Vios is the best selling non national car. Even the new gen Honda City can't match the Vios despite better looks and specs.

see, even you(who has both civic and forte)  cannot accept 110k for 1.8 elantra.

but how come many ppl can accept 120k for 1.8 civic?(yours should be 115k when you bought)

can you share why do you think elantra cannot be 10k cheaper? must be much much more cheaper?

can you give a review on the handling of both civic and fote?

Actually bro, I bought the Civic thru Malaysia My 2nd Home program (my grandma is foreign national). Guess how much the Civic 1.8 is WITHOUT taxes??
RM73k ONLY (paid cash)

Elantra cannot be 10k cheaper b/c no matter how good Korean cars are, the depreciation is much lower b/c of 2nd car market's perception. So to make up for lost depreciation value, sale price must be lower also.
Hyundai's goal is to sell cars and to steal market share from Civic/ Altis, so they need to spec the model well and give lower price to lure Civic/ Altis buyers... that's the logic.

Btw, Forte's handling is much better than Civic, the suspension a bit more keras also...but very comfortable and stable for highway driving