not entirely true. a flawed system is fatal especially in automotive, aviation, medicine, military, and those rocket science.
A fellow member also mentioned this earlier in post #182 as follows bolded for easy reference:
QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Dec 9 2011, 08:35 AM)
My reasons for opposing are this: 1. I am against a law that forces people to only hire a member of a certain body.
2. Let the body exist and certify the IT people that wants to join it, but let the industry determine the value of the body and its members through free trade. If the members are less capable than the non-members, then don't hire them. In this way, if the body's certification and membership are of any use, industry will tend to hire them and not others.
3. Producing software is not like medicine or architecture that is a matter of life and death. Certain industries that require better software people (i.e. airlines, military, parts of wireless communication) already have more rigorous hiring process and another certification will not make a difference to them; they trust in their own hiring people, not a piece of paper. Lay people can also produce software, like writing a book, and there should not be a law to stop them from doing so. Even non-accountants can fill up their own tax forms. Are you looking forward to the day when only accountants can fill up tax forms, painters association members can paint your house, writers association can type your emails etc.?
i do not support this CPB at all, as im myself is a programmer. well.. im worried how well CPB able to evaluate someone skills and experience, and decide what a person could do and whats not. no, they not gonna hire specialists or even conduct a test to evaluate us. they will probably force us to join training just like what CIDB did to all the contractors and construction personnel. and who are them? are they able to provide training at higher level? are they the expert of <insert language> ? fuq no. if we need their cert to get a job, whats the point of taking microsoft, cisco, etc, certs? and if we use their cert, will we able to ask the same salary as <insert cert name> holders? hell no. if the cert is used as indication of someone skills and knowledge, it just bloody plain stupid. people with higher education level will get more clearance, and 3rd party certs are bonus. but how about people who dont have a cert, but they are very skillful and able to deliver? they will be classified as the lowest tier practitioner. there are lot of people holding software engineering degree but they couldnt do a shyt in programming. and they expect us to trust that their cert is legit? come on.
What a great idea to songlap more money through license fees and test fees. Way to go BN.
Even I'm not in the IT field completely, or rather the IT professional but also can see where this is heading to. What's the point of having such a thing? Even is meant for the so called government projects, it only tells people openly that they want more money for whoever want to get a project with them. For normal licensing already an issue for some of the industry, yet want to come up with all this kind of thing to shake others rice bowl for their own happiness.
Even I'm not in the IT field completely, or rather the IT professional but also can see where this is heading to. What's the point of having such a thing? Even is meant for the so called government projects, it only tells people openly that they want more money for whoever want to get a project with them. For normal licensing already an issue for some of the industry, yet want to come up with all this kind of thing to shake others rice bowl for their own happiness.
Ya la...this government do know doing wat...come and disturb and shake people rich bowl...no brain....this plan totally not working...i m not going to have it...we will see how they fall...i will wait and see...
Even if the bill says that only developers that is involved with government related work(CNI Sectors, take note of this) has to be certified, I'm pretty convinced to say that almost every developer has/or will be involved with government related work in their lifetime.
National Defence & Security Banking & Finance Information & Communications Energy Transportation Water Health Services Government Emergency Services Food & Agriculture
Now tell me, who hasn't worked on any of the category of project listed above? I've been programming for 3 years now and has been/am involved with 8 of the categories, either by freelancing or my own agency work.
Anyway, these online argument won't prove anything. If you're worried about our future and our children's future, be there at Putrajaya next Tuesday. If you need a ride, I have space in my car from Wangsa Maju/KL. PM me.
This post has been edited by satnam182: Dec 10 2011, 12:05 AM
do you know mostly IT worker also keyboard warrior? goverment try to make us have a hard time , i though we citizen build up goverment is for our safety but not NOT. we must do something before too late and mean now i need to format pc by it self also get sue ? lol ?
do you know mostly IT worker also keyboard warrior? goverment try to make us have a hard time , i though we citizen build up goverment is for our safety but not NOT. we must do something before too late and mean now i need to format pc by it self also get sue ? lol ?
no doubt...
a lot of the stuff i learn about computing, i learn before i even started secondary school. now i help out families and friends with computing problems. now illegal for me to help them, sucks...
New draft law will jail unlicensed IT professional, IT industry in Malaysia is finished. 
Dec 9 2011, 09:33 PM
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i'm getting tired of this stupid gomen la...
no doubt...
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