This is MADNESSSSS!!
Anyone had started a Facebook page on this?
1,000,000 Malaysians against this bill be passed.
New draft law will jail unlicensed IT professional, IT industry in Malaysia is finished. Serious Talk
New draft law will jail unlicensed IT professional, IT industry in Malaysia is finished. Serious Talk
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Dec 8 2011, 11:56 PM
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This is MADNESSSSS!!
Anyone had started a Facebook page on this? 1,000,000 Malaysians against this bill be passed. |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Dec 8 2011, 11:58 PM) Wouldn't that be aiming a bit too high asking him to resign with no proven reasons/leverage?I didn't know about the existence of that FB page until you mentioned. 1,000,000 out of 27,000,000 people may not not significant enough to get a PM to resign, maybe? But 1,000,000 people to stop this bill being passed might at least make some noise. Inb4 we can't get even 1,000 FB fans. Inb4 someone already send this out to the opposition. |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(quackpack @ Dec 9 2011, 12:03 AM) good for IT people now, being recognize and a board to fight for our rights IT development will cost more & clients will pay more because of the so-called license.pay raise in the horizon! Is there anything wrong with the IT services right now? This does not benefit the rakyat at all, except a few people's coffers who are pulling the strings from upstairs. |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:14 AM
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Dec 9 2011, 12:43 AM
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Open day on reviewing the bill Next Tuesday
http://malaysiasaya.my/computing-professio...l-2011-malaysia |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Dec 9 2011, 12:45 AM) why an IT graduate should be worry?.. u just need take the license like engineer do and u probably has better chance to find a job now since not everyone can jump to IT like before.. so after this, like it or not, people can only depend on IT graduate to do IT job.. Not all IT graduates can repair pc, do networking, do SEO, programming, design a website or create a flash introduction page.Not all non IT graduates can't do that, and some can do it better than IT grads. I have personally hired someone who is not an IT Grad to do programming because that person can delivery. By the way, Thanks the Mod/Staff/Admin for having this thread pinned. This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 12:51 AM |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Dec 9 2011, 12:51 AM) don't you people familiar with the drill already by now? If they passed the bill, the current G is committing suicide before election.Later will come out in the news draft pulled out due to many opposition from rakyat. This shows the G cares for rakyat. Comes out with another stupid draft/proposal, rinse and repeat Government cares for rakyat a thousand times. So if they pulled out the bill.....means the rakyat will love them more??? They think we still live in caves, use stone as tools and swing from trees. This is the internet social media age, my dear G. This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 12:55 AM |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE(flagged @ Dec 9 2011, 12:51 AM) Liked + Shared.Thanks! QUOTE(terrance511 @ Dec 9 2011, 12:52 AM) As long as you receive money/incentive in return, yes.I'm not sure in the case of if your cousin asked you to fixed his pc and buy you a meal though. This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 01:00 AM |
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Dec 9 2011, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Dec 9 2011, 12:58 AM) of course not all it graduates are good, im just saying this new bill not gonna affect IT graduate in a bad way.. Yes so it seems to be heading that way.it only gonna affect freelancer and company since company can only hired people who has licensed which also gonna cost them more compare to hiring IT literate worker with just SPM Good thing my staff are mostly overseas. |
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Dec 9 2011, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(gallantdestroyer @ Dec 9 2011, 01:42 AM) The problem is i have an business in mind... As an entrepreneur.... Same here entrepreneur mindset.I do not dare to even think what will happen if this law enforce and all the step require to run a small basic business... aih... QUOTE(satnam182 @ Dec 9 2011, 02:50 AM) Screw this shit. You can't even think/sketch/build a prototype/discuss/or even email your friend about this new app idea you have if this bill goes live. If you're a developer and you love what you're doing. Then you should be at MOSTI's office on Tuesday to oppose this bill. This is about any political party or any political agenda. It's just that there some really idiot people in the goverment who thinks that they're right about everything. Sometimes the best coders/designers comes from self-taught, passion & experience, and not from classroom.Added on December 9, 2011, 2:53 amI'm a college dropout and I took up coding as a hobby and it's now my profession. If I had to go through our tertiary university studies to learn how to code, I'd be coding using .NET or Java right now. Those languages are bloody dead or are dying, we don't teach languages that people will use. I only see couple of students from Uni that actually took their own initiative to learn Rails or jQuery and they are the ones that normally gets hired by startups in other country or they are the ones that starts their own startup and become somebody that actually contributes to Malaysian's GDP. If classroom style had worked, then all IT grads MUST be pro in what they do. But is that the case? Imagine this bill was passed during the start up time of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg. QUOTE(satnam182 @ Dec 9 2011, 03:20 AM) http://www.facebook.com/events/205572512858664/ Passion & initiative will always prevail.I did a Dip in Business Economics in KTAR. Took programming as a hobby to edit HTML/CSS for Friendster profiles and then moved to PHP. Dropped out the second year and never looked back. QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Dec 9 2011, 08:35 AM) My reasons for opposing are this: This hit home exactly!1. I am against a law that forces people to only hire a member of a certain body. 2. Let the body exist and certify the IT people that wants to join it, but let the industry determine the value of the body and its members through free trade. If the members are less capable than the non-members, then don't hire them. In this way, if the body's certification and membership are of any use, industry will tend to hire them and not others. 3. Producing software is not like medicine or architecture that is a matter of life and death. Certain industries that require better software people (i.e. airlines, military, parts of wireless communication) already have more rigorous hiring process and another certification will not make a difference to them; they trust in their own hiring people, not a piece of paper. Lay people can also produce software, like writing a book, and there should not be a law to stop them from doing so. Even non-accountants can fill up their own tax forms. Are you looking forward to the day when only accountants can fill up tax forms, painters association members can paint your house, writers association can type your emails etc.? IT is different from law and medicine or architecture. IT can be found in everyday life and be accessed by All levels of society, as compared to law and medicine or architecture. QUOTE(CyberianHusky @ Dec 9 2011, 08:54 AM) By whom the salary will be paid?SMEs?, start ups? Big Companies? Government? SMEs?, start ups - They rather hire someone who is a dropped out but can delivery, as compared to a fresh IT grad that doesn't have the experience. I know some people who are so good in whatever they do that, the cert is not necessary at all. Big Companies - Can pay big bucks but how many people can Intel/Dell/Microsoft hire? Government - to create another Myemail, Mywebsite, Myfoot is it? Bottomline - This Bill discourage Entrepreneurship & Passion driven people from being creative. Since when IT is not based on passion to create & think outside the box? This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 09:13 AM |
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Dec 9 2011, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(me0wSter @ Dec 9 2011, 09:10 AM) Yes it is under Post #11QUOTE(sfx3000 @ Dec 8 2011, 08:56 PM) Anyone caught working as Software Developer, diploma or degree or not, without being licensed by government, will be fined 20k or jailed 6 months. The key is, the criteria for licensing would be very vague and prone to abuse. Malaysia is probably the other country to implement this law other than Nigeria (pariah country) |
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Dec 9 2011, 09:46 AM
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Open Day to review the Draft
Board of Computing Professional Draft Bill for review: An Open Day will be held on 13th December (Tuesday) at MOSTI Block C4, Parcel C Putrajaya. NOTE: This date is supposedly for the organizations that were represented in the committee representing the draft. However, I felt it is for the benefit of all IT professionals to show up and be able to review the bill as we don’t want what happened recently with the Peaceful Assembly Bill. Date : 13 Disember 2011 (Selasa) Time : 9.30 pagi – 5.00 petang Venue : Dewan Perhimpunan, Aras 1, Blok C4, Kompleks C Kementerian Sains, Teknologi dan Inovasi I'm planning to go. Anyone going? This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 09:47 AM |
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Dec 9 2011, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(azerak @ Dec 9 2011, 11:17 AM) I wonder what kind of test/exams to warrant you a license?What is the function of <div> tags? What is a CSS for? Write a code in PHP to develop a contact form? Now do the same using C#. How do you setup a forum??? I wonder if se7en needs a license to setup lowyat.net ?????? How about those who are already providing the services to the clients? Does their past work & portfolio count? This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 11:34 AM |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(Laser Beam @ Dec 9 2011, 12:02 PM) In IT how do u become good? Exactly!! Pentium 3 & Core i7 are so much different.If u have IT knowledge from year 2000-2005 and use it everyday and pass every exam for year 2000-2005, are u considered good. This is the main difference between medicine and engineering. Human anatomy is still the same since the discovery of modern western medicine. Another example is in the field of SEO(Getting website ranked on Google), the method used before Feb 2011 is no longer effective. This shows how fast IT changes. |
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Dec 9 2011, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(Laser Beam @ Dec 9 2011, 12:28 PM) IT such a delicate field that I am very sure many people may have encountered some 'professional' IT people from reputable firms giving really crappy recommendations. Some of the IT "professionals" are NOT IN TOUCH WITH REALITY of the fast moving IT world.They are comfortable sitting in their Managerial seat and thinks that the IT world revolves around them. The SMEs, freelancers, IT hobbyists are much more in tune with what everyone around the world needs, and cater for that needs, no matter how simple or small scale the project is. So many innovations are created by a team of passionate IT hobbyist/freelancers. And if you are lucky, the biggest search engine in the world might buy your technology up. |
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Dec 9 2011, 01:11 PM
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Dec 9 2011, 02:03 PM
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Any retard regardless of political party that came up with this idea should be have his or her brains checked.
Before someone says <brain not found> I am curious on how this idea came about. Anyone else going to the Open Day? The more people the better as I'm not skilled in taking videos. This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 02:04 PM |
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Dec 9 2011, 02:32 PM
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Dec 9 2011, 03:13 PM
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Se7en has spoken
http://www.lowyat.net/v2/index.php?option=...d=5800&Itemid=2 This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 9 2011, 03:15 PM |
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Dec 9 2011, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(birain @ Dec 9 2011, 03:24 PM) the "pro" from this bill:- True, the "quacks" will be weeded out....but there are "quacks" in car mechanics, shutters installers, masseurs, hairdressers, house painters, plumbers, etc in every industry....1). it will weed out the tom,d*** and harry from offering IT services the "cons":- 1). what charges will they imposed on us to register with the body and for how long will the next renewal registration with the body takes. hope not a hefty sum. The issue here is if I'm an IT graduate but not being "certified" by the bill, I could go to jail or fined if i offer my services. |
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