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post Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(phantomash @ Dec 7 2011, 12:29 AM)
really? I don't see them with their cases on.  hmm.gif
Most of the time its a blurry shot, and they are naked from what I've seen.

I agree, but that's how it is. Plus, the accessory do exist, just not in Msia (yet).

funny, because from what I've read, Americans actually hated their carries for subsidizing the phone, a 299 dollar phone (GNex) is considered through the roof expensive for them. Although they can probably switch it easily, so they don't care as much for a case to protect their phone, not sure how that works. But the point is, its expensive to them too.
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Look it up, there are tons of cases for those manufacturers. And other accessories as well. Only if you go deeper into the ecosystem of a particular brand would you see their accessories offerings. Going to tech blogs won't expose you to these.

Saying "that's how it is" doesn't cut it. It's a copout. Why are they(Samsung) more willing to make available their accessories together with their phones outside of the country, and when it comes to local launches, they skimp on it, forcing those who want immediate protection of their purchased device to look for cheap substandard and ugly third party alternatives?


It's expensive for them in the sense that they are more used to getting their phones more subsidized than USD299. The magic figure is USD199, and they'll be willing to bite. Even so, they can evoke the consumer rights to get their phones replaced without much fuss, unlike here where Malaysian telco subsidies are less than what the Americans are getting, and yet you are forced to take care of your expensive purchase with substandard cases, because the official manufacturer refuses to bring in theirs. Then there's the whole red tape on RMA-ing the device, wait for x- amount of days to get diagnosed, only to be slapped with repair charges even when the device is still under warranty, because "damages on X-component isn't covered by warranty" excuse. Because of that refusal to honor the warranty claim, to avoid the same predicament, end users are forced to protect their purchase with cases. Cases that are better in quality made by official manufacturers not made available by the same manufacturer who refuse to honor the repair claim in their warranty. So it's "buy ugly looking TPU cases" time?

Senang cerita, instead of all this longwinded grandmother story.

Samsung made available most/all their accessories in overseas launch. Malaysians left with third party options. Why? Don't tell me "that's the way it is, it doesn't improve the situation. Forcing oneself to accept it "as that's the way it is" means pushing the "third party substandard accessories" option to those who had bought their phones and no accessories to protect them with.

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post Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 08:16 PM)
I hope that extended battery does still included the Near Field Communication module. Otherwise you lose NFC capability like Android Beam.
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The 2000mAh battery still have NFC module.

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QUOTE(xinghuei @ Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM)
The 2000mAh battery still have NFC module.
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Good to hear.

But see, even that Samsung stand/battery charger isn't available here. Why?

Samsung made it available in Korea and not here. Why? Malaysians takder duit ke?

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post Dec 7 2011, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM)
Look it up, there are tons of cases for those manufacturers. And other accessories as well. Only if you go deeper into the ecosystem of a particular brand would you see their accessories offerings. Going to tech blogs won't expose you to these.
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yea, but you say "leaked". I don't see leak images from official sites.
Do you mind showing me which manufacturer sell their phone cases before the phone is launched?
Because I really can't think of any.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM)
Saying "that's how it is" doesn't cut it. It's a copout. Why are they(Samsung) more willing to make available their accessories together with their phones outside of the country, and when it comes to local launches, they skimp on it, forcing those who want immediate protection of their purchased device to look for cheap substandard and ugly third party alternatives?
It's expensive for them in the sense that they are more used to getting their phones more subsidized than USD299. The magic figure is USD199, and they'll be willing to bite. Even so, they can evoke the consumer rights to get their phones replaced without much fuss, unlike here where Malaysian telco subsidies are less than what the Americans are getting, and yet you are forced to take care of your expensive purchase with substandard cases, because the official manufacturer refuses to bring in theirs.
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I'm not trying to justify the situation, in fact I agree with what you said, but I'm just saying that's the reality now.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:41 AM)
Senang cerita, instead of all this longwinded grandmother story.

Samsung made available most/all their accessories in overseas launch. Malaysians left with third party options. Why? Don't tell me "that's the way it is, it doesn't improve the situation. Forcing oneself to accept it "as that's the way it is" means pushing the "third party substandard accessories" option to those who had bought their phones and no accessories to protect them with.
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if Malaysia is the exception and not the rule, wouldn't that be Malaysia's problem?

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 6 2011, 10:42 PM)
Understandable. The Note case, then?
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Doesn't Note came with free original Samsung case? If it's not the case here, perhaps it's in US (only?), where I read news, GNote came along with one.

As for Samsung original case, price is steep. If the sales is not good, they can't justify for the courier charge on shipment. I think they would have their planning department working full time to get things moving, just that the demand is not high enough.

For eg: I was expecting to see the battery case for SGS to be sold here. Unfortunately, Samsung only carries one for S2, and it's NOT exactly affordable. So a lot decided not to buy it in the end.


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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:26 AM)
I'm perfectly okay with buying online, but I'd rather see it with my own two eyes first before buying it, hence the need for the local availability. I'm baffled by Samsung's own refusal to bring in their own accessories for their own phone. Or is there no market for accessories here other than cheap silicones and TPUs?
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Well, Samsung did went ahead and brought in plenty of accessories for their GTab10.1/8.9 product. Though every outlet has about 2-3 of the same type of case only, not many. Many even said that concept store/Sammy outlet constantly ran out of USB connection kit, which seems to sell... quite well, in comparison.


Added on December 7, 2011, 1:07 am
QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 12:46 AM)
Good to hear.

But see, even that Samsung stand/battery charger isn't available here. Why?

Samsung made it available in Korea and not here. Why? Malaysians takder duit ke?
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Simple, demand doesn't meet their target.

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QUOTE(phantomash @ Dec 7 2011, 12:48 AM)
yea, but you say "leaked". I don't see leak images from official sites.
Do you mind showing me which manufacturer sell their phone cases before the phone is launched?
Because I really can't think of any.
I'm not trying to justify the situation, in fact I agree with what you said, but I'm just saying that's the reality now.
if Malaysia is the exception and not the rule, wouldn't that be Malaysia's problem?
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I quoted the HTC Rezound leak on the previous example. Read.

What does this "Do you mind showing me which manufacturer sell their phone cases before the phone is launched?
" has to do with the point at hand?

Yes, that's the problem here. More often than not, prospective buyers are more inclined to protect their RM2k investments with "barely good enough" options from third party accessory makers. If I'm Samsung, and I see this happening, I'd be pulling my official accessories lineup off the shelves as fast as I can, and sell it somewhere else where people appreciate quality-made accessories. And this is the place where your previous quote is appropriate, "that is how it is". Sad but painfully true.

QUOTE(Harddisk @ Dec 7 2011, 12:49 AM)
Doesn't Note came with free original Samsung case? If it's not the case here, perhaps it's in US (only?), where I read news, GNote came along with one.

As for Samsung original case, price is steep. If the sales is not good, they can't justify for the courier charge on shipment. I think they would have their planning department working full time to get things moving, just that the demand is not high enough.

For eg: I was expecting to see the battery case for SGS to be sold here. Unfortunately, Samsung only carries one for S2, and it's NOT exactly affordable. So a lot decided not to buy it in the end.


Added on December 7, 2011, 1:01 am
Well, Samsung did went ahead and brought in plenty of accessories for their GTab10.1/8.9 product. Though every outlet has about 2-3 of the same type of case only, not many. Many even said that concept store/Sammy outlet constantly ran out of USB connection kit, which seems to sell... quite well, in comparison.


Added on December 7, 2011, 1:07 am
Simple, demand doesn't meet their target.
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I'm not asking a 1-to-1 ratio of accessory to phone. Make it available, enough so that the general public has seen it, and the ones who wants to get one, gets a chance to get one. In the case of Samsung's Galaxy Note, that chance is not even given. No accessories other than that back case cover is made available. Want that official desktop stand? Buy from Clove/eBay. How about that official leather pouch? Same thing.

Your example of GTab on their accessories is because almost everyone who got their Tabs, needs that USB kit to use it in conjunction with their TAB, to transfer files over, etc. Rest assured that is a cheap China brand version is made available, your Sammy outlet will be stocking these official USB Kit till it rots on the shelf. But the good part is, they at least made it available for the average Joe. Q. Public to say "yeah I've personally seen that before". Samsung doesn't even extend that courtesy for the Note, and I suspect the same for the Nexus.

All I'm asking is a local stock of accessories made available instead of me having to purchase them online, and deal with postage delays, customs, etc. Especially when the device is already launched locally.

As for your "demand doesn't meet target", you're kidding right? Every Tom, d*** and Harry I know carrying an Android device is clamoring for extra capacity batteries to cover their usage in a day. More often in my experience in getting my preferred accessories is that the "target" clamors for it, and the "demand" couldn't follow through.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 01:22 AM)
As for your "demand doesn't meet target", you're kidding right? Every Tom, d*** and Harry I know carrying an Android device is clamoring for extra capacity batteries to cover their usage in a day. More often in my experience in getting my preferred accessories is that the "target" clamors for it, and the "demand" couldn't follow through.
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No, I'm not kidding. Not everyone willing to pay that much for an extra battery, with hassle of opening the casing (it was better on S2 and GNex for easy open rear battery case, but not quite for SGS though). There were already alternatives such as external battery pack with USB connection to charge the device.

Which is why, the low demand just can't justify their action to bring in the accessories.

Aside from that, SME might not be a child company of Samsung Korea, but just a local licensed distributor. Which could mean they are more reluctant to bring in items which they think might rot in their showroom/outlets.

Besides, when I was saying meeting the target, I wasn't even thinking of 1-to-1 ratio. Not even close to 10-to-1 (phone to case). The sales might be as bad as 200/300 phones sold to 1 case original case/battery sold. Looks good? Not from my point of view though.

I won't complain though, if they would have the units for display only. As long as it's source-able from online shops.
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Look at the picture of that extended battery. Nobody's asking to buy ANOTHER battery, I'm talking about buying AN/ONE/SATU extended battery of higher amperage and use only one in the phone without the need to swap, to get through your day. If my plural in that "batteries" comment what made you think I meant swapping, that wasn't the intention.

Again, if SME can't afford to bring in many, bring in as little as 1% of the projected sales figure of the phone for the number of accessory. Phone projected to sell 1000 units, bring in 10 leather pouches, 10 extended batteries, 10 desktop docks. Hell, bring in 5 each if you're that restricted in capital. Don't tell me at least 5 out of 1000 buyers of the phone are not interested in official accessories? Are these buyers already entrenched in their dogmatic view that "cheaper is always better" mantra when it comes to accessories, or *gulp* "only got money to buy phone only"? Has things turn THAT bad?

Then again, I saw post somewhere in the Galaxy Note thread pointing towards a USD25 price on eBay for that very same official Samsung leather pouch and that forum member posted it claimed it to be "expensive", so I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. Tsk tsk tsk. shakehead.gif

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Pls add me under the user lists.. bought the cheapo AGFA pouch from Tesco for temporary protection smile.gif

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SME might be facing the difficulties of bringing in the 1% of accessories that you stated. You might not know if SK (Samsung Korea) was imposing a minimal 30% - 50% of accessories over phone's shipments, or dont import at all.

Only the insider will know.
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QUOTE(silencer @ Dec 7 2011, 02:38 AM)
Dont U all sleep.... or U all still awake for webcam session with your GirlfrenSSS
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Lied down already. Surfing with Tab.

Need a better case. This 200+ bucks case is heavy and lacked of innovations. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Harddisk @ Dec 7 2011, 02:36 AM)
SME might be facing the difficulties of bringing in the 1% of accessories that you stated. You might not know if SK (Samsung Korea) was imposing a minimal 30% - 50% of accessories over phone's shipments, or dont import at all.

Only the insider will know.
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Like I said, I'm ready for this already:-

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and Samsung, strangely doesn't want my money. Or are the populace here already accepted their fate about buying accessories online only?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 02:20 AM)
Look at the picture of that extended battery. Nobody's asking to buy ANOTHER battery, I'm talking about buying AN/ONE/SATU extended battery of higher amperage and use only one in the phone without the need to swap, to get through your day. If my plural in that "batteries" comment what made you think I meant swapping, that wasn't the intention.

Again, if SME can't afford to bring in many, bring in as little as 1% of the projected sales figure of the phone for the number of accessory. Phone projected to sell 1000 units, bring in 10 leather pouches, 10 extended batteries, 10 desktop docks. Hell, bring in 5 each if you're that restricted in capital. Don't tell me at least 5 out of 1000 buyers of the phone are not interested in official accessories? Are these buyers already entrenched in their dogmatic view that "cheaper is always better" mantra when it comes to accessories, or *gulp* "only got money to buy phone only"? Has things turn THAT bad?

Then again, I saw post somewhere in the Galaxy Note thread pointing towards a USD25 price on eBay for that very same official Samsung leather pouch and that forum member posted it claimed it to be "expensive", so I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. Tsk tsk tsk.  shakehead.gif
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come'on, don't be so ego. The world not necessary to make everything to suit you just because of you want it.
think before you complain. 1%? it is ridiculous.

the spec of the phone is already there, HSPA+ with 1750mAh and LTE with 1850mAh, the extended battery is just for Korean. Don't you feel if you really want it, you can order it online instead of complaining here? you can order anything online, nobody will stop you!

thing are like that, when a phone come with different spec then the user will start to request more and more. they want everything. but you can always only choose another phone instead of Gnex with different version and somehow give korean special treatment and you cry for the treatment just because of you not a korean.

anyway, no offense, if so, i apologize for the rude.
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QUOTE(shaun'yeap @ Dec 7 2011, 02:54 AM)
come'on, don't be so ego. The world not necessary to make everything to suit you just because of you want it.
think before you complain. 1%? it is ridiculous.

the spec of the phone is already there, HSPA+ with 1750mAh and LTE with 1850mAh, the extended battery is just for Korean. Don't you feel if you really want it, you can order it online instead of complaining here? you can order anything online, nobody will stop you!

thing are like that, when a phone come with different spec then the user will start to request more and more. they want everything. but you can always only choose another phone instead of Gnex with different version and somehow give korean special treatment and you cry for the treatment just because of you not a korean. 

anyway, no offense, if so, i apologize for the rude.
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WTF! Ego? Does making business sense makes me egotistical? I'm not asking everyone to get the accessories, I'm asking Samsung to make it available locally here so that those who wants to get one, gets to inspect it, try it if it is suitable for them before making the plunge to purchase. Some of these accessories are on the "need to see " basis before purchasing, not everything you can just simply just buy without looking at it personally first.

That 1% is for those who wants to get proper official accessories, as opposed to the other 99% who are content with their boring gel, silicon and TPU generic cases. How is that ridiculous?

come'on, don't be so stupid. Not everyone wants to buy shoddy third party cheap stuff to cover their expensive investment. A premium investment needs premium insurance, you don't protect your expensive BMW with Ah Long car insurance do you?

Ordering online also comes with its own dangers and cost. Items getting lost, seller not trustable on eBay, sales tax at originating country slapped onto the purchase, not to mention the risk of being held at customs and taxed again here. Having it being made available here, eliminated all these problems, price them appropriately for local market, and you, the end user, gets a chance to look at it, inspect it, and try it before you buy it. How is that not a good thing? shakehead.gif

this has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with common sense. From your post, you seem to lack the latter, not to mention quick to assume too.

And just like you worded yours, after all this comments, anyway, no offense, if so, i apologize for the rude. An eye for an eye.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 03:06 AM)
WTF! Ego? Does making business sense makes me egotistical? I'm not asking everyone to get the accessories, I'm asking Samsung to make it available locally here so that those who wants to get one, gets to inspect it, try it if it is suitable for them before making the plunge to purchase. Some of these accessories are on the "need to see " basis before purchasing, not everything you can just simply just buy without looking at it personally first.

That 1% is for those who wants to get proper official accessories, as opposed to the other 99% who are content with their boring gel, silicon and TPU generic cases. How is that ridiculous?

come'on, don't be so stupid. Not everyone wants to buy shoddy third party cheap stuff to cover their expensive investment. A premium investment needs premium insurance, you don't protect your expensive BMW with Ah Long car insurance do you?

Ordering online also comes with its own dangers and cost. Items getting lost, seller not trustable on eBay, sales tax at originating country slapped onto the purchase, not to mention the risk of being held at customs and taxed again here. Having it being made available here, eliminated all these problems, price them appropriately for local market, and you, the end user, gets a chance to look at it, inspect it, and try it before you buy it. How is that not a good thing? shakehead.gif

this has nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with common sense. From your post, you seem to lack the latter, not to mention quick to assume too.

And just like you worded yours, after all this comments, anyway, no offense, if so, i apologize for the rude. An eye for an eye.
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business sense? then you go open a company and make business, nobody stop you. don't go and disturb people business, they have their own way to do things, don't need you to teach them how to do and what to do.

for those who wants to get proper official accessories? then you just grab those thing officially launch in malaysia, what the heck you go ask for the thing in korea? those launch in malaysia is not official accessories? or you feel those foreign country one only match the 'official' in your case?

lolz? i bet you have a serious problem deal with your common sense. sad.gif sad to say. just because you afraid to take risk, you request for the 1%? then how if the 1% sold out? you complain again why not 2%? that not about ego? a normal people will keep request for something just because they want it? if you want it badly, why don't you take the risk?

well, you can do anything to fulfill your vanity and nobody can stop you.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 7 2011, 01:22 AM)
I quoted the HTC Rezound leak on the previous example. Read.

What does this "Do you mind showing me which manufacturer sell their phone cases before the phone is launched?
" has to do with the point at hand?

Yes, that's the problem here. More often than not, prospective buyers are more inclined to protect their RM2k investments with "barely good enough" options from third party accessory makers. If I'm Samsung, and I see this happening, I'd be pulling my official accessories lineup off the shelves as fast as I can, and sell it somewhere else where people appreciate quality-made accessories. And this is the place where your previous quote is appropriate, "that is how it is". Sad but painfully true.
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well, yea. HTC Rezound gotten its leak shot with the case on, but this is only like what? one out of 10 cases of leaking? Funnily enough, the link you posted is another tech blog, which you've mentioned to not have the info of manufacturer's accessories.

Also is it available before launch / right after launched (particularly HTC Rezound's in this case)?

Because that is essentially what you're saying here.

The Note has just been launched few days ago, and GNex isn't even launched here officially yet, but you're expecting the manufacturers to bring in the accessories and make them available locally, right? Isn't that the problem we are discussing here?

and again, I do agree with the notion of making high quality cases available locally, especially after the phone is launched.

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yeah man, I also wondering why is it so difficult to make their own official accessories. I don't mind to fork out a little bit more if the quality is there.
But it's always the availability and lack of choices push me to the 3rd party one.
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although I'm not working as marketing but something to share. when MNC company introduce new product, is not meant every country will selling world wide. each of country have own local marketing team, and they're the 1 decide whether to launch or not offer. before they commit, they gonna think carefully is the product will selling like hot-cake locally? else their boss screw them on wasting money launch the product. you know, launch any product need to invest money. Back to topic, why it's difficult to launch own official accessories? as TS said, Nexus not gonna break sales records like S2. when the phone selling volume is not that high, no need to think about it's accessories which is confirm lower.

You still want to compare with fruit? LOL
fruit still world top Number 1 hardware vendor in term on volume shipment, both official and 3rd party accessories profit or revenue like water flood their shop.

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