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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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mois
post Dec 6 2011, 05:40 PM

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Year Started: 31 august 2008
Location: Sarawak
Size: 60 x 30 or 80 x 30 i forgot
Type: monkey house
Results:
1.5year = 1300-nests
2years= 1700-1800nests
3years= 2400-2500nests
3yeyars+ 3months= unknown hopefully can reach 2700-2900nests.

growth slower because alot of new BH around.
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post Dec 6 2011, 06:14 PM

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Bro mois, you should be VERY HAPPY with such a result, I don't think anywhere in peninsular Malaysia can you achieve such growth rate anymore.

Right now your BH is already considered successful, you can even sell it for millions. So just sit back and wait for harvest every 2 weeks!
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post Dec 6 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(northface @ Dec 6 2011, 06:14 PM)
Bro mois, you should be VERY HAPPY with such a result, I don't think anywhere in peninsular Malaysia can you achieve such growth rate anymore.

Right now your BH is already considered successful, you can even sell it for millions. So just sit back and wait for harvest every 2 weeks!
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Yeah im very happy as well. Already started harvesting when it was 800nests. Wah how u know harvest 2 weeks once? This is exactly what im doing by the time it reaches 2000 nests leh. Now already renovate. See my previous post. But no one give suggestion:(
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post Dec 6 2011, 06:23 PM

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Once a BH reaches over 1k you can harvest every 2 weeks so u don't miss nests that little birds have flown away, I think a lot of ppl know that smile.gif

As for renovation, since yours is so successful already why renovate? I suppose you want to expand your BH but be very careful not to do very drastic changes or it might even affect your current bird population.

I would just build another one beside the successful one haha! biggrin.gif
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post Dec 6 2011, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(northface @ Dec 6 2011, 06:23 PM)
Once a BH reaches over 1k you can harvest every 2 weeks so u don't miss nests that little birds have flown away, I think a lot of ppl know that smile.gif

As for renovation, since yours is so successful already why renovate? I suppose you want to expand your BH but be very careful not to do very drastic changes or it might even affect your current bird population.

I would just build another one beside the successful one haha! biggrin.gif
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Not renovate, just another extension actually haha. Shoplot is linked to the BH. But two separate BHs, now in dilemma whether to operate separately or just open a hole between them. But i guess probably open a hole in between. More spaces for birdies and hopefully percentage of staying there is higher. Just wondering, how much can we harvest monthly if the nest count is 3k, 4k, 5k?
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post Dec 6 2011, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Kanelam @ Dec 6 2011, 05:25 PM)
If you dont mind, please share the cost as well; land, building, 'consultantcy fee', etc
I think this is important to determine the cost vs gain.

For example, if I inherited a shoplot , then i dont have to pay anything except the renovation and consultancy.
Then it will tremendously reduce my initial cost.
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Initial cost was about RM400k inclusive of everything. Land was inherited.


Added on December 6, 2011, 10:23 pm
QUOTE(mois @ Dec 6 2011, 08:16 PM)
Not renovate, just another extension actually haha. Shoplot is linked to the BH. But two separate BHs, now in dilemma whether to operate separately or just open a hole between them. But i guess probably open a hole in between. More spaces for birdies and hopefully percentage of staying there is higher. Just wondering, how much can we harvest monthly if the nest count is 3k, 4k, 5k?
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From the things I heard and learnt, heard that it is best to open 1/2 holes connecting the birdhouses depending on the size, you mention 60ft or 80ft, I think 2 holes would b good enough.
Don't open the holes first, do the renovation and necessary fitting works, then lastly, open the holes. That way you do not need to start fresh.

Btw, 1.5year n 1.5k nests... WHOA! The nest results around my area is 300nests on the 1st year and it is considered very very successful!! Big goodjob! rclxms.gif

Abt the harvest, one of my friend who current run a BH with over 10k nests within, he harvest 10% of the nests everytime. His average harvest is 8-10kg depending.

So 3k would b around 200-300nests? 4k = 300-400nests? Not very sure since I am not there yet haha

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post Dec 6 2011, 11:09 PM

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Speaking about 10k nests, i dont think monthly harvest only 8-10kg. By the way 10% is kinda too low. Suppose to be 15% at least i guess. That translate 11-13kg monthly. How long does it take to reach 10k nests? I think once reach 10k nests mark, one year nest counts can be increased by few thousand nests!
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post Dec 7 2011, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Dec 6 2011, 05:40 PM)
Year Started: 31 august 2008
Location: Sarawak
Size: 60 x 30 or 80 x 30 i forgot
Type: monkey house
Results:
1.5year = 1300-nests
2years= 1700-1800nests
3years= 2400-2500nests
3yeyars+ 3months= unknown hopefully can reach 2700-2900nests.

growth slower because alot of new BH around.
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Wow. With such growth, thats quite something rclxub.gif Sarawak at where?
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post Dec 7 2011, 01:22 PM

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These days when the price of nests are down and the increment of nests are below expectation, many may want to sell off their failed BHs.

Like no serious buyers for nests the same apply to buyers for BH and selling is also be a problem unless you are selling very cheap. Previously, there are so many potential buyers asking for lands and BHs but they are now gone without a trace........

With every bad time, come good opportunities, opportunities to buy cheap nests and also cheaper land and BHs. Everything concerning swiftlets are on sales and I hope that the equipments, products, books, books and others should now be cheaper to reflex the present situation....maybe producers and supliers of these goods will also provide better discounts for their products to help owners of BHs badly hit.
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post Dec 7 2011, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Dec 6 2011, 11:09 PM)
Speaking about 10k nests, i dont think monthly harvest only 8-10kg. By the way 10% is kinda too low. Suppose to be 15% at least i guess. That translate 11-13kg monthly. How long does it take to reach 10k nests? I think once reach 10k nests mark, one year nest counts can be increased by few thousand nests!
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I am not sure, but he told me 10% so I take his words heh...
He was one of the pioneer within the district, his BH is abt 10 yrs and i am not sure how long did it took for him to reach 10k nests because when i got to know him, it was already at the 8k nests mark...


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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 7 2011, 01:22 PM)
These days when the price of nests are down and the increment of nests are below expectation, many may want to sell off their failed BHs.

Like no serious buyers for nests the same apply to buyers for BH and selling is also be a problem unless you are selling very cheap. Previously, there are so many potential buyers asking for lands and BHs but they are now gone without a trace........

With every bad time, come good opportunities, opportunities to buy cheap nests and also cheaper land and BHs. Everything concerning swiftlets are on sales and I hope that the equipments, products, books, books and others should now be cheaper to reflex the present situation....maybe producers and supliers of these goods will also provide better discounts for their products to help owners of BHs badly hit.
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Very true. 6 mths ago i still heard ppl talk abt it at kopitiam... Now no one is talking abt it anymore haha... But I do agree the fact that "with every bad time, comes good opportunities"


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post Dec 7 2011, 03:14 PM

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Year Started: 8 jan 2010
Location: taiping
Size: 24 x 70
Type: open roof
Results:
3months = 15+-nests(50+-birds)
6months= 30+-nests(100+-birds)
10months= 20nests havested+ 30+-nests(180+-birds)
11months= 15nests havested+ 35+-nests(230-250birds)
I'm satisfied with my results.
p/s: my 24x70 individual bh fee=RM140k+RM20k(internal with guarantee 30birdnest in 1 year)
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post Dec 7 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(chaobaodtw @ Dec 7 2011, 03:14 PM)
Year Started: 8 jan 2010
Location: taiping
Size: 24 x 70
Type: open roof
Results:
3months = 15+-nests(50+-birds)
6months=  30+-nests(100+-birds)
10months= 20nests havested+ 30+-nests(180+-birds)
11months= 15nests havested+ 35+-nests(230-250birds)
I'm satisfied with my results.
p/s: my 24x70 individual bh fee=RM140k+RM20k(internal with guarantee 30birdnest in 1 year)
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I still don't understand the guarantee of 30 nests in a year apply here and if failed, do the contractor refund you the money or what?

If the contractor can assure me of these success in any place, I will now give him a contract to do a new BH now at a certain location and will even give him a bonus if the target attained during the agreed period or otherwise, penalties like forfeiting of 30% held as insurance against failure to attain the guaranteed amount.

Otherwise, what's good a guarantee "In Words only" and I can even boost to give any failed BH a hundred nests within a year for a good fee and some renovation done by me. Terms are that the owner must pay me for the renovation in advance and the consultation of Rm10K after the nests attained. If failed, I already got my money for the renovation and if successful, the consultation fee will be a added bonus.. Either ways, I make my money and if failed, only my reputation is tarnished only.

Sincerely, I like to give some suggestion cos your BH is good and should be better if you do ensure that you allow space for the birds to breed and multiply. Looking from what you said, you are in good location and there were steady increment of nests in the BH and that's very good but beware of harvesting unused nests and you may slower the gains of your BH. Pls. remember that I just wanna help only and not criticizing here.

Congratulation, my friend
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post Dec 7 2011, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 7 2011, 03:41 PM)
I still don't understand the guarantee of 30 nests in a year apply here and if failed, do the contractor refund you the money or what?

If the contractor can assure me of these success in any place, I will now give him a contract to do a new BH now at a certain location and will even give him a bonus if the target attained during the agreed period or otherwise, penalties like forfeiting of 30% held as insurance against failure to attain the guaranteed amount.

Otherwise, what's good a guarantee "In Words only" and I can even boost to give any failed BH a hundred nests within a year for a good fee and some renovation done by me. Terms are that the owner must pay me for the renovation in advance and the consultation of Rm10K after the nests attained.  If failed, I already got my money for the renovation and if successful, the consultation fee will be a added bonus.. Either ways, I make my money and if failed, only my reputation is tarnished only.

Sincerely, I  like to give some suggestion cos your BH is good and should be better if you do ensure that you allow space for  the birds to breed and multiply. Looking from what you said, you are in good location and there were steady increment of nests in the BH and that's very good but beware of harvesting unused nests and you may slower the gains of your BH. Pls. remember that I just wanna help only and not criticizing here.

Congratulation, my friend
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Yeah WW. I'm agree with you. Actually the guarantee mean he will FOC renovate for my bh if the result is not good. (he is my father's friend)(no any agreement, just talk. haha)
Now i'm trying to increase/boost up my bn with culturing fruit flies & add some fake bn. I also stop havesting.(maybe chance to 2-3month havest once.) 
Any good suggestion/opinion for me? Tq.
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post Dec 7 2011, 06:09 PM

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10k nest should able to harvest, average 17kg to 20kg/mth based on 2weeks/harvest. also depending on location i.e. determine the size.
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post Dec 7 2011, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(chaobaodtw @ Dec 7 2011, 05:09 PM)
Yeah WW. I'm agree with you. Actually the guarantee mean he will FOC renovate for my bh if the result is not good. (he is my father's friend)(no any agreement, just talk. haha)
Now i'm trying to increase/boost up my bn with culturing fruit flies & add some fake bn. I also stop havesting.(maybe chance to 2-3month havest once.) 
Any good suggestion/opinion for me? Tq.
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My opinion to share.

1. Cultivation of fruit flies and releasing them at the BH are only because not many birds visit your BH and your intention is to draw more birds attention to your BH.

2. Adding fake nests is to encourage birds to quicken nest building in area which normally is empty of nests and never in area already with nests. This is to encourage birds to lay eggs in the fake nests (with little additional saliva) esp. for the young birds whose nest building skill isn't good at all and thus helping to fasten the process of nest building and increment of nests.

3. Remember that only old birds will remain faithful to your BH and not the new fledged ones and they will leave your BH leaving half built up nests or even after building their first nests in your BH and what you need is to ensure that they do lay eggs and nurse their chicks to fledging. Only after this full cycle can you call these birds your faithful birds and not before then.



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post Dec 8 2011, 09:44 AM

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bro ww. Tqvm....thanks for sharing the info which many ppl wont share out.
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post Dec 8 2011, 10:37 AM

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I have a dilemma here, today I was picking out some nests out of my stash for gift to friends, and I noticed there were ants ALL OVER my nests. I keep my nests in a well ventilated space, but not refrigerated in those big plastic boxes.

The ants are common household ants, the tiny ones that emit a smell when you squash them. Since to my knowledge ants don't eat bird's nest, then why are they all over my nests? Any sifus enlighten me?
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QUOTE(oneup @ Dec 6 2011, 03:43 PM)
I see alot of ppl asking questions abt how do we determine how success is your bird house. To be honest, so far there isn't really a correct answer as most would simply tell you that there is no exact answer due to the vast variables. So rather than asking what is "success", y don't we all chip in our own results as a method of comparison. I assume we are all enthusiast and we keep regular records of our BH. Below are my results. With the results, atleast we can see what ppl around us are performing and then maybe compare the differences in more details....

Year Started: Dec 2010
Location: Sabah
Size: 70 x 30 x 3 storey
Type: Open roof
Results:
Month 3: 1 Nest
Month 6: 1 Nest
Month 9: 10 Nests
Year 1: 21 Nests + 4 Incomplete Nests

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Another statistic should be in.

Got Consultant Or Not. Who.
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post Dec 8 2011, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(northface @ Dec 8 2011, 10:37 AM)
I have a dilemma here, today I was picking out some nests out of my stash for gift to friends, and I noticed there were ants ALL OVER my nests. I keep my nests in a well ventilated space, but not refrigerated in those big plastic boxes.

The ants are common household ants, the tiny ones that emit a smell when you squash them. Since to my knowledge ants don't eat bird's nest, then why are they all over my nests? Any sifus enlighten me?
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Ants eat everything and include birdnests but prefer sweeter thing. Here, we even has a friend who lost a few kilo of nests to the rats even after packing the nests neatly into Styrofoam boxes due to low price and he regreted that he didn't sell and now, he lose even more.

Removing the ants should be easy and one way is to rinse over water and then dry the nests with electric fan.

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