bro 4 slot enough to fit your whole collection?

hai bro..
please pm me that
website link can?

Here's mine in piano black, also a gift from the mrs

PM sent!

in fact, cannot lor .. haha
but is a way to control my purchase

CK needs 10 boxes to house all his collection.... lol

Seagulls are cheap china knockoffs ... they're selling Tourbillons for RM20k ... LoL

My personal favorite JLC Amvox 5, IWC Portofino 8 Days Power Reserve, Patek Calatrava, Richard Mille RM010, Breguet series of Tourbillon watches, Hublot Aryton Senna series, and of course Mont Blanc's R100 and R200 in-house mechanism ... but it's a Mont Blanc ... hate em' Rolex ... So far, I only own a Tag Heuer F1 Kirium since 8 years back, Ball Aviator 46mm, a bunch of G-Shocks, and recently, 2 weeks ago IWC Portuguese Automatic 7 Days Reserve ... I've been saving for 2 years to buy this watch ... love the 7 days pr ...

i love my IWC Portuguese 7 days too

*popcorn

what comment is for frostfrench. U should know me better ck77.

below is the 1940 IWC pilot watch
http://www.calibremagazine.com/node/305


this is the 1940 Wempe B-UHR
http://www.heirloom2.com/military.htm#WEMP...E_HANDSOME_ONE_

---

Added on November 26, 2011, 5:02 amwhat to LOL? Seagulls are not knockoffs. they did put their own brand and didn't copy JCL, IWC, PP, Breguet, Hublot design.

yes they sell tourbillon for ~20K, at least they are true tourbillion. workmanship is better than the other Chinese brands Tourbillons.
yes its cheap so whats your pt when U LoL?
http://usseagull.com/EnProduct.asp?ClassID...itle=TOURBILLON

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 26 2011, 05:02 AM

What to no LoL? If you do understand the purpose of Tourbillon, you'll notice they're designed to provide extra accuracy, as Tourbillon is supposed to remove the gravity factor from the watch ... therefore making it a little more accurate ...
Go read about Seagull's user review, you'll notice that it is not an accurate watch ... not even COSC certified, and ppl are getting +-2-3 minutes a day. I'd rather save the 20k and buy a piece of shit Rolex/Panerai ... or top up a few thousand more to buy an IWC Chronometer (with modified ETA movement), or RM28k for IWC Automatic 7 Days Power Reserve, or in fact, any COSC certified watch with ETA movement ... My personal opinion, is to never buy cheap movement, or generic movements if you're paying such money for it ... coz you can buy in-house movements ... Rolex for one is in-house, and IMHO it's garbage, because they're being mass produced ... the only watch Rolex is worth looking at is the old Daytona which uses the Zenith movement, which is no longer in circulation ...

woo bro very nice box and nice collection. This one surely cost more than rm1k.

It is sweeping statements like yours that I find to be utterly conceited. Which reviews on Seagull are you referring to? You say better to buy an in-house movement, and then you go on and bash Rolex? Am I missing something here? Good luck, you just stirred the hornet's nest.

Wow 28k? Seriously? I'm impressed, good for you!

I'm not supposed to quote which dealer I bought it for, but I got 32% discount for IWC. Retails for RM42k. I just bought mine 28k brand new from authorized dealer ... go ask around, and if you are buy watches often, you'll know of that huge retailer ...

Rolex is good, but not great. Not worth the money. I don't think I stirred the hornet's nest ... Rolex is like BMW ... if you want to be noticed, buy it ... but ppl who knows mechanical watches, will avoid ... same as BMW ... What makes Rolex famous, is celebrities ... Same as TAG Heuer ... they endorse super stars ... but most ppl know they're piece of shit ... I bought my TAG Heuer 8 years ago ... I just learnt to appreciate watches 5 years ago, and really found out I made the biggest mistake in my life buying TAG Heuer Kirium F1 ... for one, it's TAG, 2nd it's a Quartz ... Quartz movement ain't worth that kind of money ... The only thing good about Rolex is their service center in Malaysia provides excellent service ... unlike the others ... the other service center I can think of that provides excellent service is "BALL" ... they're cheap and fun watch ... great value for money ... they'll do whatever they can to satisfy you ...

Anyway, go to WatchUSeek and you'll find out about all the craps they talk about Rolex ... only good thing about it is it will get you "seen" and it maintains good 2nd hand value ... but a true watch lover will not think about 2nd hand ... coz they'll keep it forever ... like Patek Philippe's motto says it all: "You never actually own a Patek Philippe. You merely look after it for the next generation." .... love the watch ... enjoy it ... take care of it ... pass it on to your children ...

Only 2 best of the best watches but they're out of my league now ... Patek and Breguet ...

LOL, what's wrong with mass production of Rolex movement? mass production with good quality control and you still get +/- 3-5 sec per day for their in house movement with that price, what else you want?

Okay. I'll come back with more reasons, I promise. I love this discussion thingy, as I'm a huge fan of watches.

Let's compare mass production to non-mass-production items in general.

Why don't you buy a Swatch? Swatch Group owns ETA. Which means ETA is in-house mechanical movement for Swatch. There are Swatch models out there within the -4+6sec guideline. Why buy Rolex?

Why buy Mercedes/BMW/etc. when you can buy Proton? Mass produced ... CamPro is a technology developed by Renault, but the patent has been bought over by Proton ... so they own the rights to it ... and it is widely considered/claimed by Proton to be their in-house engine ...

Think economics ... once an item has been produced in mass quantity, price tend to fall ... You can't design a movement 20 years ago, and sell for 20k back then (today's currency with inflation factored in), and sell the same movement for 20k today after selling millions of the same product. Initial cost should be high, because companies need to recoup their investment in research and development ...

IWC / Patek / etc. always come out with new models, with new movements or upgraded/modified/etc. which justifies the whole cost thing ...

Another example ... Will you pay RM300k for latest Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution that's using the first generation Evo engine? Technology advances ... todays in-line 4 - 2.4L engines easily get you 30+miles per gallon ... back then, 20-30 years ago even 1.8L engines can't get 20+miles per gallon ... I just refuse to pay today's technology price, for old technology ...

The best a Rolex could do is 40-70 hours Power Reserve ... the best IWC can do is 7-8 days power reserve ... Patek and Breguet does 10 days ... back then 40 hours Power Reserve is pretty damn good ... but today's standard, at least to me ... for a watch lover, who wears different watch everyday ... go for higher Power Reserve ... or buy em' mechanical boxes ...

More to come ...

---

Added on November 26, 2011, 4:06 pmOh yeah I forgot ... I love em' German made watches "Lange and Sohne" and "Glashutte Original" ... I love em' Grand Lange 1

---

Added on November 26, 2011, 4:12 pmHowever, I will give credit when credit is due ... Rolex are great diving watches ... and it's rugged ...

But when you pay such price for a watch, a watch should represent you ... Rolex makes you look rugged ... but I prefer a watch that represents me ... "CLASS" ...

This post has been edited by ytkwong: Nov 26 2011, 04:14 PM

Colour me damned, I just realized I bought a shit Rolex for my Dad,
Passed a garbage Rolex to my wife and wearing a shit Rolex myself.



And, just for discussions sake, as much as you don't like a particular brand, at least have the decency to not label things like shit or garbage, as everyone have their own taste and preferences.... if not, we would all be stuck with 1 watch brand with 1 design.

As industrialization has it, most if not everything is mass produced.
What constitute mass produce? Anything more than 2000? 200k? 2 million?
I would say all of the above.

Brands that you mentioned, are they not mass produced?
Something not seen in the wild does not mean that they are not mass produced. It just means that they are not affordable to the masses.

Statements about price points or wether a watch is "worth" what they are selling it for is subjective.
Some ppl think that an entry level Pam or Rolex at 15k or so is overpriced, obviously some do not. And that is why they are selling as much as they produce.

As much as watch companies make you believe that each and every watch is handcrafted, it is all humbug... the retail price of the watch does not correlate with the cost it takes to produce it.
Watch companies will charge whatever they think the market will support and get away with it. Most of the time they do.

LOL, ytkwong you really have funny point of view.

Really nothing wrong with the brand, it's just a matter how you appreciate it.
Swatch is good watch, ETA produce good movement too, otherwise other company won't get the movement from them.
When you buy something, it is depend you like it or not, your financial afford or not.

It's really nothing wrong with ppl who buy swatch or seiko. They bought it because they like it, it's the price range they affordable, same to the person who buy proton.

Those who bought Merc/BMW while they can buy proton, because they afford it and like it. Nothing wrong with that.

VW group have their 2.0TSI engine widely use on the cars from Audi to Skoda under VW group. There's still many ppl like it. Why, It's good engine, stable and powerful and they buy according to their financial. Rich buy Audi, while normal one go for Skoda. Of coz there will be someone like you to make the same complain to that. But that's how VW success in their business. This same goes to Rolex. As long as quality is there.

Even Patek are using same movement for varies models. for example, calibre 315-SC.

---

Added on November 26, 2011, 4:51 pmagreed with your points.

This post has been edited by silverstan: Nov 26 2011, 05:16 PM

@ytkwong

I don't get your points on mass vs non mass produced items. BMW and Merc sells way more cars than Proton annually, they are definitely more 'mass produced'. People buy Rolex and luxury cars because of the brand prestige and because they can afford it, not based on the production volume.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but even IWC uses eta and selita base movements. Are you sure you're paying for the R&D costs alone and not for the brand name?

Wearing a watch with PP / AP / VC stamped on the dial does not represent class. It only shows you have money to spend on watches, provided people even think it's the real thing. If you want to begin to grasp the concept of class I suggest you head on to forums such as Styleforum or thekerbau.

This post has been edited by deriku: Nov 26 2011, 05:59 PM