I got the deployant already . Do you have any reliable source at KL which I can order from ? Thanks .

hai bro..
please pm me that
website link can?

What to no LoL? If you do understand the purpose of Tourbillon, you'll notice they're designed to provide extra accuracy, as Tourbillon is supposed to remove the gravity factor from the watch ... therefore making it a little more accurate ...
Go read about Seagull's user review, you'll notice that it is not an accurate watch ... not even COSC certified, and ppl are getting +-2-3 minutes a day. I'd rather save the 20k and buy a piece of shit Rolex/Panerai ... or top up a few thousand more to buy an IWC Chronometer (with modified ETA movement), or RM28k for IWC Automatic 7 Days Power Reserve, or in fact, any COSC certified watch with ETA movement ... My personal opinion, is to never buy cheap movement, or generic movements if you're paying such money for it ... coz you can buy in-house movements ... Rolex for one is in-house, and IMHO it's garbage, because they're being mass produced ... the only watch Rolex is worth looking at is the old Daytona which uses the Zenith movement, which is no longer in circulation ...

Colour me damned, I just realized I bought a shit Rolex for my Dad,
Passed a garbage Rolex to my wife and wearing a shit Rolex myself.



And, just for discussions sake, as much as you don't like a particular brand, at least have the decency to not label things like shit or garbage, as everyone have their own taste and preferences.... if not, we would all be stuck with 1 watch brand with 1 design.

As industrialization has it, most if not everything is mass produced.
What constitute mass produce? Anything more than 2000? 200k? 2 million?
I would say all of the above.

Brands that you mentioned, are they not mass produced?
Something not seen in the wild does not mean that they are not mass produced. It just means that they are not affordable to the masses.

Statements about price points or wether a watch is "worth" what they are selling it for is subjective.
Some ppl think that an entry level Pam or Rolex at 15k or so is overpriced, obviously some do not. And that is why they are selling as much as they produce.

As much as watch companies make you believe that each and every watch is handcrafted, it is all humbug... the retail price of the watch does not correlate with the cost it takes to produce it.
Watch companies will charge whatever they think the market will support and get away with it. Most of the time they do.

Why I insist on in-house mechanism? I just believe that spending RM20k on a watch, is a luxury. I'm not a super rich person. That's why I would like to believe if I spent RM20k on a watch, it better be worth the money. In-house technology represents how deep that company/brand is into "it" ... Why would I buy a RM20k watch that uses an ETA mechanism that's found in watches under RM1k? Just for the design? Someone also mentioned Audi/VW/Skoda using the same 2.0TFSI engine, I appreciate it. But that's different, they are all owned by Volkswagen Group, IMHO. But we're comparing Apples and Oranges, there's nothing wrong with TAG Heuer using Zenith engines, because they're both sister companies under one same roof. Unlike cheaper watches like "BALL", which is a USA company, but purchases engines from ETA, and modify it, and sell the watch as it's own name. Don't get me wrong, I'm a BALL WATCH fan, as I own a Ball Aviator 46mm, it is indeed a very beautiful and great watch, for the money. I paid RM5500 less 32% discount for it. It was worth every single cent of it. As good as the Ball Aviator is, there is no way I would pay RM20k for it. Funny thing is, on certain days, my Ball is actually more accurate than my IWC. So value doesn't just rely 100% on how accurate it is. Also, if you guys ever seen and tried on the actual IWC Portuguese Automatic, look at the back of the watch, the mechanism itself is a true beauty, and I fell for it at first sight after looking at it. I've seen countless generic movements, and none look like the IWC I currently own. To fit everything in that small encasement, and pump up 7 days worth of power, to me is still a great invention/design. I hope you guys understand where I'm coming from.

I do know Swatch Group owns a lot of em' watches. I didn't know Breguet and Glashutte Original uses ETA ... maybe some of their cheaper models, no doubt, but I know for sure, their high end models are designed in-house in Switzerland and Germany respectively.

Again, comparing Apples with Oranges. It's like VW 2.0TFSI in Audi A4 2.0T, and Golf GTI. But that 2.0T engine isn't in a Polo. VW also owns Bugatti, which they Veyron runs a W16 Engine, but you don't find that same engine in a Golf GTI, or any other cars by means.

Went away from LYN for the long weekend and I missed out on all the action??

Anyway, TLDRs aside, year-end holiday season just around the corner, anyone expecting any big purchases soon?
Time to start spreading some poison perhaps

so how does it look with the new strap?

wrist shots coming?...

Bro, if the whole "discussion" started with a good choice of words and sensible post, all this would not happen.
Just to let you know that not all Rolex owners are in it to "be seen"... it's just the perception that you have.
Just because your bro wearing a Rolex wishes to "be seen" does not mean everyone is.
Ah few towkays wearing blinged out solid gold Rolexes and when time are tough, pawned them for a decent amount does not mean every Rolex owners are looking to buy Rolex for the 2nd hand value. But it is a bonus, and that is a fact.
If you can respect your bro wearing a Rolex, why did you label that as shit or garbage?
Did you try saying that in front of your bro? I am sure you didn't.
But that kind of statements in an open forum about watches is bound to attract some unwanted attention.
Since there is an apology post earlier, let's just move on.

Arguments about "mass produced" and "in-house" have been beaten to death already.
Fact is everything is mass produced nowadays, there's nothing much we can do about it.
You can say that you can buy whatever you want with your own hard earned money, we respect that, but why can you not respect other people buying what they like with theirs?
Doesn't feel good when people start bashing your purchase choices right?

Since you mentioned that respect is not to be given, it is earned. Show respect and get respect. Simple as that.
The way I see it, the whole issue have been dragging on for longer that it should.

If anyone here would like to talk watches and history and whatnot, everyone if not most would be happy to join in such a discussion.
No problem about accepting other ppl's opinion here, just mind the words that are being used.
You came in here flashing your IWC 7days and your supposedly superior knowledge and views regarding movements and watches, but it turned out you don't know very much about the history of the brand you despise so much.
Your views are so skewed that you associate a brand with wet market fruit sellers and such.

Now I would not go and label all IWC 7days owners to be like you, because I know silverstan is not.

I personally am not a fan of Panerai.
But does it gives me the right to bash Panerai? I am sure that they are some PAM owners here that are in it not because they are the hottest watch at this moment but because they respect and associate the brand with the Italian Heritage.
I respect that.
But then there are also those that snap up PAMs knowing nothing and just because everyone is jumping on the bandwagon, there go go... And they go around preaching about their purchase and saying other brands or watches are not up to par. That is not right at all.

So, let's just keep the discussions sensible with no personal attacks and please do not drag mom's and dad's and sister's into the fray. They got nothing to do with this.

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Added on November 29, 2011, 10:52 am
Year end coming. Yes... which means bonus time... which means that it's time for a splurge!!! lol
No poison necessary as target is already on the crosshair.... waiting for the bullets and then trigger can be pulled.
Just hope no straying away from the original intent though.
Once bullets are here, targets seems to increase... funny how the world works. 

No bullet how to pull trigger bro? Rubber bullets ar? 

sigh... stopped wearing big watches too for me. thinking about going down the shops and put up my Pam on consignment.

think I am getting old...

now the Turn-O-Graph blue dial seems to attract me too.... will suit my wet market image perfectly

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Added on November 29, 2011, 11:25 am

was quoted SGD7.7k after VAT in Milan last year for the GMTIIc.

damn the prices just keep on increasing.... seems to me like these watches are recession proof.

Daytona was SGD15,888 last year compared to 17688 this year!