Those new at watches do read this 1st
http://www.watcharama.com/glossary.htm

Chronograph and affordable homages (Sub, Pammy, B&R) are big. try to name a few brands, will try my best to update this list

where to find those affordable homages
Sub Homage
- www.mkiiwatches.com
- www.orangewatchcompany.com
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.robert-uhren.de
- www.debaufre.com
- www.marcelloc-watches.com
- www.rxw.jp
- www.davosawatches.com
- http://www.msc-uhren.com/watches.htm

Sub homage similar to the original James Bond watch
- STEINHART "OCEAN 1 VINTAGE"
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/
- http://www.orangewatchcompany.com/milsub/index.php
- MK II Kingston

Pammy Homage
- Vollmer watch ( starts at ~1.4K @ watchseller.com )
- Aristo
- Dievas watch ( http://gnomonwatches.com/Dievas.html)
- www.rxw.jp (price ~1.6K)
- www.drcustomwatch.com (mix of Swiss and Asian)
(Asian parts)
- Getat http://www.siswatch727.com/index.do
- Jackson Tse http://www.jacksontse.com/
- Davidsen ( davidsenjpn@yahoo.com ) - prices starts from rm$1K for Unitas 6497


Bell and Ross Homage
- Junkers
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.debaufre.com
- http://www.revue-thommen.ch/instrument.htm

many pilot fans here too
- www.stowa.com
- http://www.lacher-shop.de/e_shop/index.php
- www.archimede-uhren.de
- www.christopherward.co.uk
- Aristo (prices start ~1.5K)
- http://prometheuswatch.com/

IWC pilot homage
- Speedbird with soft iron core http://www.timefactors.com/speedbird.htm

diver watches
(online only)
- www.christopherward.co.uk
- guinand-watch.com
- http://www.ocean7watchco.com/
- Doxa
- www.mkiiwatches.com
- www.orangewatchcompany.com
- www.steinhartwatches.de
- www.robert-uhren.de
- www.debaufre.com
- www.uhr.info (~rm1k)
- Marathon http://www.broadarrow.net/GSAR.htm
- Bernhardt http://www.bernhardtwatch.com/
- www.boschett-timepieces.com
- www.utswatches.com
- http://www.benaruswatches.com/
- http://www.helson-watches.com/
- http://prometheuswatch.com/
(in stores)
- Fortis
- Hamilton
- Oris
- Sinn
- Tag Heuer
- Longines
- etc

German watches that invested alot in case and movement tech
- Sinn
- http://www.damasko.de/eng/index.html

small size watches (case 33-38mm size)
- www.christopherward.co.uk (price starts at RM600)
- http://junior.frederique-constant.com/ (prices start at RM2.6K)
- http://www.dfreemontwatches.com/new_yorker.htm
- hamilton watch (Field mechanical size at 33mm) retail price ~rm1.1K
- Seiko Spirit Automatic (size 37mm)
- Titoni (many model range btw 33mm to 38mm) http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES/TitoniSalesTable.htm
- Stowa Antea Kleine Sekunde (35.5mm) or Stowa Antea 365 (36.5mm) prices with shipping ~rm$1.4K and up
- nomos club (36mm) retails ~rm4.5K to 5K or Nomos Ludwig (33mm) retails rm$5K and up
- http://www.jswatch.com/enska/urin.html
- http://www.rgmwatches.com/110As.html
- Maurice Lacroix http://www.mauricelacroix.com/#OUR%20CLASSICS
- http://www.archimede-uhren.de/EN/Pilot-S.htm (prices start at ~rm1.5k)
- http://www.autran-viala.de (prices start at ~rm1.4k)
- http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...=193&Itemid=432 (price at ~rm$1.8K)

great value Chrono watches
- www.uhr.info (rm$1.6k)
- http://www.genius1953.de/
- Guinand watch

Skeleton watches on swiss movement
- SWATCH under US$180
- http://www.steinhartwatches.de/ (limited edition)
- Oris Artelier Skeleton also US$1.5k an up
- Louis Erard 1931 collection usually usd$1.5K an up
- http://www.tourbywatches.com/ usually EUR$1.1K an up
- Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece Skeleton (retailing US$5K an up)

Skeleton or open dial on Jap movement
- Orient watch ~US$350 (not really skeleton, just open dial)
- BULOVA ~US$250 and up (open dial)
- Invicta (some are using Chinese movement)

Skeleton or open dial on Chinese movement
- Invicta
- Armitron
- Kenneth Cole (mostly fashion brands)
- Seagull
- Alpha watch usually under US$100
- Theorema watch usually ~US$200
- TRIAS watch (some swiss movement model cost more, mostly Chinese)

Looking for Japanese Mechanical
- www.seiyajapan.com
- http://www.higuchi-inc.com/
- www.orientwatchusa.com

grey market (online)
- thewatchery.com ( I dealt with them b4)
- ashford.com ( I dealt with them b4)
- collectorstime.com





This post has been edited by patryn33: Oct 3 2012, 09:25 AM

Do u need deploynant? What kind of leather? The prices does vary lot. Cow cheaper, exotic animal cost more. Regular cow leather last few year I check was like us$200. Prices maybe higher now.

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Added on November 22, 2011, 4:22 amLow end are quartz, highend are those inhouse movement. Seriously not sure how to avg, u looking for what kind?
What is your budget?

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 22 2011, 04:22 AM

can always choose not to put the 24hr hand. It is on display back? A ETA 2892 cost around US$200, sopord mod to 9035 i would imagine cost more. 2 watches at rm$3k hmmm. I cannot find 9035 movement only online, if its true swiss that a great deal. I wonder how much is he selling just this watch.
static.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-39/post-19239-1321500948.jpg

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Added on November 22, 2011, 6:20 pmsopord module on eta 2892. That eta 2892 already cost like us$240. No idea how much the module cost. unitas watch usually for us$300+ if lucky yet movement cost ~US$160.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 22 2011, 06:20 PM

all AD are reliable.
silverstan paid 1.1k, prices are up. u might as well get non original ones. quality maybe just as good.

brands such as Chatelet, HIRSCH, Di-Modell are very good too.
http://www.watchstyle.com/
http://www.fredawatchstraps.com

Di Modell has a patented “AERO Lining” is guaranteed sweat resistant with a porous inner lining and a humidity layer. Longer lasting.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 24 2011, 08:15 PM

it is classical iwc, but it is not original pilot watch design. I prefer the orginal pilot watch design.

what comment is for frostfrench. U should know me better ck77.

below is the 1940 IWC pilot watch
http://www.calibremagazine.com/node/305


this is the 1940 Wempe B-UHR
http://www.heirloom2.com/military.htm#WEMP...E_HANDSOME_ONE_

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Added on November 26, 2011, 5:02 amwhat to LOL? Seagulls are not knockoffs. they did put their own brand and didn't copy JCL, IWC, PP, Breguet, Hublot design.

yes they sell tourbillon for ~20K, at least they are true tourbillion. workmanship is better than the other Chinese brands Tourbillons.
yes its cheap so whats your pt when U LoL?
http://usseagull.com/EnProduct.asp?ClassID...itle=TOURBILLON

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 26 2011, 05:02 AM

1st do u understand the use of Tourbillion?
it is use in pocket watch for a good reason. on the wrist.. hmm.. u go read 1st.
regulating a Tourbillion for a wrist watch that is used in so many orientation is very hard.

when did U get your IWC at 28K pretty good deal for a new watch i think.

if U getting a Zenith EP, even the technicians here in US cannot do a good job, they need to be shipped back to Swiss every 5yrs. Tag service centre not doing a good job complain to HQ is Switzerland u can get your watch done there.

COSC - go read about it, once u bring your watch for service it is no longer COSC. it was once certified COSC. if a watch maker F**k up and COSC watches also produce lemons.

German Chronometer - have U read how they do things and the difference with COSC?

Ball is about making watches, don't confuse making watches = making movements.

with regards to if ppl would pay $20K for a ETA movement watch, I am sure u can find those ppl. don't forget eta movement come in different grades.

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Added on November 26, 2011, 9:05 pmI get that many times already.. LOL

This post has been edited by patryn33: Nov 26 2011, 09:14 PM

I don't know of any models that uses ETA as a base movement from the aboe 2 brands.
quartz very likely its ETA.

go with Zenith, esp u have been searching for sometime.
GMT2C that is easy to find, wait another yr U still can source it. Zenith maybe Port Royal Open that is discontinued iirc will be harder to find in a yr or so.

Iwc is a great brand but I would go for a pre own rolex in this case.

Run on proven ETA workhorse, Sinn is known for making great watches with solid case as a good price. Today the price part not so true. Guinand was ran by Sinn old boss to offer good watch at a great price.

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Added on December 1, 2011, 9:33 pmBreitling watches looks big but often light for my liking. The si2 of watch didn't go with the weight. For many ppl that maybe a strong plus. I am just strange.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 1 2011, 09:33 PM

I thought they have a 10% extra discount awhile back, i delete that email already. U can email them and bargain with them.

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Added on December 6, 2011, 11:36 amwhy rule out steinhart as U've got a Russian aviator? Steinhart is German brand swiss made.
Miyota is essentially citizen. it is non hacking.
here are the details.
http://www.citizen.co.jp/miyota_mvt/downlo...5_8215_821A.pdf

looking for something cheap try
http://www.uhr.info/en/Pilot-watches-from-UHR
http://www.watchseller.com/watun500.html

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 6 2011, 11:37 AM

I believe it is US$39.95
http://www.thewatchery.com/cust/shipoption...ational.asp?d=0

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Added on December 9, 2011, 9:17 amcheck out page 1 post 1
sporty kind I would go for, still can ask them to customize
- http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...=196&Itemid=435
- http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...d=65&Itemid=183

if out for a unique complication I will go for this Equation of Time
http://www.watchseller.com/eqoftidewabl.html

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Added on December 9, 2011, 9:24 amlike I louis erard
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f323/louis-er...ase-136200.html

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Added on December 9, 2011, 9:35 amthat is cheap if 4k minus.
here listed for US$1899 in LEATHER! that is closer to $6K retail, 25% still at 4.5K leather, steel is at ~us$2K. pretty good deal already
http://www.righttime.com/rt/ball/nm2082c-lj-be.htm
http://www.abouttime.com/abouttime/ball-watches.invtc.html

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Added on December 9, 2011, 9:40 amYour post made me wore my Reverso duo day/nite to work today.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 9 2011, 09:41 AM

expensive, for the price I opt other brands.
however I like their LUC collection.

they sure do

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Added on December 13, 2011, 9:50 amwhat did u get? no pics to share?

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 13 2011, 09:50 AM

Watch lovers, esp those Omega owners..
I know its old news but lets give George Daniels a moment of silence.

http://www.danielslondon.com/

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Added on December 17, 2011, 10:01 amdid U get this? they are usually value for money. Special edition or limited edition not sure.
its base on ETA no problem, for me it is a little better than Tissot and Certina.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 17 2011, 10:01 AM

read page 1 post 1.

today Stowa has nice 39mm watches, best bet. however need to order and wait til March 2012. Their fit and finish is top notch for the price pt of ~2.5K
http://www.stowa.de/nocache/Antea/index,w13243525667366.htm


- Sinn 556 A

This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 20 2011, 11:54 AM

isn't it at 39.5mm? spicediablo is looking for 39mm or smaller
http://www.orient-watch.com/orientstar/retrograde_04.html

Stowa (metal can always change) and ask u to check page 1 post 1.
Can help stowa insist on quality and avoid high production. For limited edition release 2yrs ago iirc ppl are still waiting for them! they are in big demand.
there is a growing cult in this region.

all the under 38mm watch that I know of and swiss is posted there.
if they are no go, then do give us more details.

places to shop German made steel band
http://www.lonestarwatches.com/bracelets.htm?

ie
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f36/mesh-stowa-293249.html


This post has been edited by patryn33: Dec 20 2011, 07:57 PM

the demand has been always high. their production level is small at few hundred a yr.
Jorg is a jeweler at heart so quality is good
U can always track down ppl that own it to let u touch and feel/

@ those eppl comfortable buying online, maybe can start biz buying such brands and selling it to ppl charging $500-1000 for fees. I wonder will these ppl pay the extra $$. Then again, they may try and say no buy and return to buy online!

what is reputable?
ppl buying it without issues? yes.