Yes definitely can get Tissot or Seiko <800. Throw Orient in the mix as well. I would look at Seiko & Orient, bigger range of choice.

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Wow, a panerai and bell n ross guy wearing luminox ?

Wow. I'm kinda proud owning a luminox then.

I think maybe because Tag's watches are getting pricier nowadays? Anyways nice design! My Carrera's been with me for about 6-7 years already i think.



The new Carrera 1887 in black/rose gold looked yummy but the price really turned me off

This post has been edited by incubus_skj: Oct 3 2012, 05:03 PM

u mean the new carrera that is 43mm? i contemplated that, but it did not look so good when i wore it....so chose the 41mm, with no rose gold....

dude, you have no idea how much crap I get from watch snobs owning a panerai and b&r(to be sold to a new owner soon actually)...

but yes my fellow Luminox kaki, lets be proud of our pieces and enjoy in good health

yeah... this one:-

yup, tested that, as well as the one with white face....took me a long time to decide before i chose the one that i am wearing now....

but i do agree, it looks good too.....

Oh ya forgot to mention your IWC and rolex.

What do u mean u get so much crap from watch snobs ?

lol.
i was interested in that, tho my gshock is doing well enough for that purpose

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Added on October 3, 2012, 5:26 pmprobably same snobs who look down on watches that use regular eta movements too.

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Yeah, RM12k is ok la. The listed price I was quoted for the rose gold/black model was RM20k. I can buy a Zenith Chronomaster already with that kind of money.


dunno about B&R snobbing, but for Panerai it's usually "The new Rolex for Cinapeks"

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

yes, 20k, even with discount 22%, total is RM 15600....still high....

B&R gets its fair share of flack because despite their supposed "mid-level" pricing for a timepiece (typically RM10k+), all their pieces all use off the shelf unmodified ETA Valjoux movements that can typically be found in pieces that can be had for a quarter of their prices...
What this means, is that a buyer is paying a premium for pretty much a casing, branding and all the marketing hoolah... which is fine if one puts value into such things... but is frowned upon by the horology nerds who are more particular with the guts of a watch (in house movement) and tradition...

Panerai is an interesting one because it has never really branded itself as a horological powerhouse... They have a rich history, tho even when they were commission by the italian navy in WW2 they were still using outsourced movements...It was only recently with their Manifattura line of watches that Panerai began to do things in house...These puppies often commanded premium over the ETA fitted pieces but often with monster duration power reserves that beat at 28,800vph...Attached is the pic of the in-house P9000 as used in my PAM312.



It was only in the mid 90s when a certain actor with the funky sneering lips, became ambassador(tho not officially??) for the brand that Panerai became noticed in the luxury watch segment and command the high sticker prices of today... While such a recent resurgence of the brand typically indicates an uncertain staying power...no other watch company is able to clear their inventory like Panerai do and that trend doesnt look like dying anytime soon with the continued fascination of oversized watches.... Saying that, traditionalist tend to overlook the brand as trendy over hyped articles with little horological significance....

a Rolex for Cinapeks??? don't even mention Rolex in the same sentence...

This post has been edited by yonggoh: Oct 3 2012, 09:21 PM

Yeah.. my boss just upgraded his louis vuitton to a black panerai. Dunno what model is that.

eh what fascination with oversized watches? thats only on asian midget wrists.
on rocky's wrist its perfectly proportionate

which is true. its a fashion watch. my cheap tag has a fancier decorate ETA movement . I view people with BR as someone who has too much money and don't know where to spend, not a bad situation to be in though.

this hamilton...so tough

This look so nice and cool!
May I know what is the price for this watch?

Everywhere I looked on the interweb, the debate about Panerai's tend to get nasty and frankly not very informative besides beating the dead horse so I hope the guru's here can help enlighten me a bit.

Below are my 2 cents..

Personally I think Panerai's looks good and they seem very popular and like THE watch to wear these days and like you said, new movements and I really like the idea of a ceramic case (like my boss punya)

But rich history?

According to the interweb, they made like 300+ watches for the Italian Navy (not exactly the best fighting force in WW2) until the contract got canned.

What about Hamilton Field Khaki's that were issued to WWII GI's... or the Rolex/Omegas that were smuggled into Britain to be issued to RAF Spitfire pilots during the darkest hour or the Seiko issued to Kamikaze pilots (wait... that won't sell) and Seiko divers favored by GI's in Vietnam that worked in the paddy fields and during love you long long time sessions. Or the modern timex, g-shocks etc favored by Navy SEALs etc and our own PASKAL? All those also can claim even richer history

Bit more military trivia... the Germans, British and Japanese also used commando manned torpedoes during the war though typical for Japanese forces in that era... they more garang and kamikaze with the torpedo and their seikos.

And the final thing I don't understand is ..... an Italian watch?

I know OP's now Swiss but while Italians have great aesthetic designs, they're aren't exactly brilliant with mechanical stuff and neither are they the ideal image of a patient watchmaker (I've been working with them for the past 10 years )

But respect-lah.. marketing coup d'etat of the century. Not easy to pull something like this off.

This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Oct 4 2012, 01:28 AM

price tag is about 20k