i really want to go... see la how it would fair... i bet getting any hotel there by this time would be a sheer luck.. maybe if i go its going to be a day visit...
i soo want to go....

so they sell model kits there?? i was under the empression they should have it there since its THE event for suchthing..

can anyone who's been there confirm this for us..

they do? if YES then it would be great...

kuman

going there just to see MiG-29 some Sukhoi plane proform

ya.. that alone is a great reason to be there... but i think it would be too far up and too fast for us to enjoy it throughly.. plus the sun directly in our eyes....

for me going there to take photo and shot as many static display model of the aircraft as possible..

kuman

i juist wonder how long for u guys to paint a model aircraft ???? becos i nvr pint beforeso i dunno

who wan to sponser me buying model goods for me to fill the holiday

back back i m back btw wat are u ppl discussing lately ? i m abit busy with work

it depends... for me i took me quite sometime to paint because of hand painting mix with the use of normal aerosol paint.. maybe roughly around 2 weeks on and off... maybe longer if you include weathering etc..

with airbrush ... i have no idea.. maybe faster?

waaa.. so fast ahh you build a model kit.. i think some of a serious modeller out there took 4-6 months to built the kit alone... including all the detailing of the craft.. for me i usually built (minus the painting) took me 3 months on and off between work, family and other commitment.. .. it just me though...

kuman

actually i build the model express and just forget teh final product my model all ugly becos of my speed build......

Based on my relative who destribute the academy product he say Tamiya refuse to sell its product to Toycity anyone know why....

Going to shanghai next week i wonder if there can get a cheap trumpeter model or other chinise product.......

i sometime also do speed building... sometimes cannot sabar to see the final product... when its turn out to be ugly... then realize need to be slow and steady.. then have to buy the same model kit again and then build again in a slower pace..

so.. your relative still distribute ACADEMY product? they willing to supply us with cheaper Academy model kits??

maybe can find cheaper one there in China.. since most of the "not-top-of-the-line" are from there...
have a good time hunting for model kits there..

kuman

kuman

eh abt the Academy item i dun think he will giv cheaper becos the price he giv me also normal price 1/32 cost RM400+++ but i tell him tat alot of ppl like the product and he also abit but no 1 really know abt Academy so the bisnuess is in a average level ....

abt the china thingy i hav sent u a PM

do u paint on the model after assambly????

wow.... its even expensive then Revell-Monogram.. i guess the quality is much better compared to Revell's one..

maybe they can help by promoting it here.. then more people will know about it...
we need more supplier that are willing to puch the model-kits to the people.. (i sound like a politician now )

PM replied..

i try as much to paint my model.. but with handbrushing and aerosol cans.. it just getting tedious after each build to pain them.. i have a couple of the complete model on shelve that havent been painted yet..

well.. maybe once i got the airbrush set.. then i can paint them all properly..

kuman

kuman.

seems the air combat collection is being brought it again.
just recently saw issues 1-5 on the shelves.

Me must start wif the uber low quality porduct so tat i can learn to assamble nicely.... i guess the Airbrush set will cost a nuclear bomb if mme i think i pokai liao but those Revel "kit pak" are useful for newcommer. But for me i buy before some 1/144 scale from revel wif the "kit Pak" the end product not really nice wif teh paint

Eh i buy before aircombat coleection only the Issue 1 then stop buying becos some moeny problem...

So maybe i need to go for Trumpeter, Kitech and Zengenfu product....

p.s how much is the price of a typical Trumpeter model????

is there anymore young modeler like me i am 15 years old ...

This post has been edited by minizian: Nov 4 2005, 05:52 PM

^ im 16 this month, guess im almot the same age with you. I model aircraft since i was 12, first aircraft was a revell fighter, but i screwed it up hehheh!

from then on i started doing china made planes to touch up my skills, and my major plane is a B52 superfotress, nice to say it turned out quite nice.. its a big plane, wingspan almost 1 meter. But gave it away as i moved back to KL. Well, now im into commercial planes but it seems only zhengedefu,kitech has them. All other all figher planes

currently i got AirChina 747 and a screwed up Airbus a330...

really.. this should be good.... let see if my local magazine store have them in stock... which i really doubt it...

anyway thanks for the info
and what is the frequency of their publication?weekly?


Kitech Brand is not very expensive..
Kiteh and Zhengdefu hmm.. let seee... i saw in The Store, they have Kitech 1:72 scale model kits selling for around RM25.. yesterday i was there, i saw they still have quite a few number of those kits... what i saw they have is hmmm... F14A, F14D, FA18, F22 Raptor, a couple of Helicopter... RA Comanche, Eurocopter Tiger, Apache, Cobra, And a couple of Tank from the World of tank series. ahh an also an aricraft Carrier Kitty Hawk.
and they have those in stock now

as for the Zhengdefu... i bought them last time for RM29.90 for the 1:48 scale.. now rarely see those brand anymore....

i think Trumpeter is definetely better then these two..


better start saving... i know i'm trying very hard to cut my spending.. so that maybe someday i can get my own set.. :hoping:

kuman

This post has been edited by kuman: Nov 4 2005, 10:49 PM

lol i tot world of warcraft

aiyak 4got to ask how much is a typical price of trumpeter??

my 1st model is academy 1/44 given by my relative and also i got screw up just like db07mufan model.... curently i have alot of academy model which all messed up and 1 tamiya Su-34 not yet finish also lazy and finaly 1 academy vietnam era helicopter which i tooo lazy to assamble...

This post has been edited by minizian: Nov 4 2005, 11:14 PM

heh, i am looking for Kitech/Zhengdefu/Trumpeter models in Kuala Lumpur, any idea where they have it?

life must be great to have a lot of high quality model... anyway to salvage those models? what scale are they?
the helicopter you refering to must be the Bell "Huey"
good model...

hmm.. i heard from someone that the Jaya Jusco/Parkson branch might have it
or any other supermarket.... but i noticed that not all Parkson have those in stock..

anyway... good hunting..

kuman

The Academy thing i build it all and fogot liao lo i speed build all and meseed up like shit.... Dun wan to take the risk wif the Huey chopper.. so i keep it

Jusco got sell those chinise brand le i tot they only carry Revell model there only wan.

p.s i wish there have 1/20 scale aircraft model (sure very big wan)

This post has been edited by minizian: Nov 5 2005, 10:13 AM

hey kuman u ppl always mention bout wat issue issue thingy issit some kind of books come with free aircraft models ? how much are those ? i nvr saw anything like tat b4 here ....

i found some zengdenfu model review.....

[ZHENGDEFU 1:72 MIG-31 FOXHOUND
'INBOX Review'



Reviewer: Mark B (SMAKR Webmaster) (smakr@bigpond.com)
Fully built kit review also exists on this site

Kit: Zhengdefu 1/72 No.DF320 MIG-31 Foxhound

This is the first time I will have any exposure to this kit manufacturer, out of China. I understand most of their molds are copied from mainstream manufacturers so it will be interesting to see how this kit goes together. It comes in a big blue box, which at first glance I thought was a Revell kit - unfortunately not. On the plus side the kit was some third the price of perhaps a Revell kit of similar size (which is saying something!). What a bargain!! So no judgements on the kit really until it is made up!

Parts: 1 plastic bag contains everything within it, including instructions, decal sheet, tube of glue (yes one small tube was included) and clear parts, although thankfully the clear parts are separately bagged. There are 82 light grey injected parts on three sprues, with very minor flash in some locating holes that will be easy enough to clean up, plus one sprue of two clear parts making up the canopy.

Instructions: This is an approximately sized A3 sheet folded to make a booklet. Everything is covered in Chinese and English. Front page includes a very brief note on the aircraft, symbol explanation and sprue diagram. Half a dozen assembly steps grace the middle spread which also includes notations for colours. There is no paint range quoted, they are simply generic colour names. The arrows are pretty good but some insufficient exactness will frustrate novice modellers with regards to positioning of some of the items (like aerials etc) especially components that are butt joined but generally its easy to follow. The final page features a three view colours and marking diagram which includes missile markings.

Versions: The kit caters for only one version, an unidentified MiG-31 with red 23 as its forward fuselage serial number. Unfortunately the instructions do not even tell you what colour scheme to paint the model, but one would expect it would be finished in an aircraft grey similar to the Foxbat, and also as depicted in the picture at the bottom of this page.

Decals: A very small decal sheet is included that is remarkably similar to a Propagteam sheet, and I would anticipate of similar quality. Colour register is very good but very very slightly off (being quite picky here). As I said it is a small sheet and essentially only three categories are covered - Instrument consoles, forward fuselage red 23 and six red stars!

Detail: The kit stands up quite well as far as surface detail is concerned although panel lines are raised. Small rivet detail is provided on the forward fuselage and wingtips to good effect. The main wheel wells also contain some plumbing but the nosewheel simply has structural crossbeams. The cockpit is "Hasegawa" sparse with simply floor (with molded on rudder pedals), two seats (one with very crude seam line) and sticks. There are side panels for both pilot and rear-seater with minimal and unrealistic raised console detail - but at least it has something. A very small instrument panel is provided for the pilot only, and this has no console detail whatsoever. As stated in the decal section above, a decal is provided for each of the side panels and pilot main instrument panel (this decal is twice the size of the panel!!) consoles. The seats are basic and are simply three-piece bucket seats - you affix the sides to the seat. The cockpit would benefit from an aftermarket set. Louvre detail is provided on the intake vanes and some raised fan detail is provided for the engine exhaust.

Options: It is possible to display both canopies open but there are no struts to put in place for this. For stores options, the kit provides for the four underwing pylons to be filled, which includes a pair of large fuel tanks, a pair of AA-6 missiles and as well as four smaller AA-9 missiles for four underfuselage pylons.

Accuracy: I haven't got the measuring stick out to check out the dimensions, wait until the build up. I already spotted a few glaring inaccuracies, such as the underfuselage stores are on pylons (see the image below, they are actually embedded into the fuselage), the inner wall of the intake being straight when it should be a snaking curve, omission of small strakes on the sides of the intake, raised outlet duct on top of the intakes when they should be depressed and I am sure there will be plenty more. On this basis, one would suggest you go and buy one of the relatively newer releases.

Impressions: The parts do suffer a little from some ejector pin marks which are found mainly on the inside of parts, eg: inside of wings, inside the forward fuselage, on the landing gear and so forth, but nothing too sinister. I did test fit a couple of parts, including the forward fuselage and the inner wing portions and these went on perfectly so hopefully that is what is in store for the kit.

The parts breakdown and make up of the kit differs a bit to the other two MiG-31 kits previewed on this site (Condor and Zvezda) so one assumes this is not a copy of either of those. The forward fuselage is split vertically to house the cockpit and the nose radome being affixed to the front. The main fuselage is split horizontally into upper and lower halves. The wings are two piece, which is really just a small lower piece placed inside the main upper section. The intakes are large and I am anticipating this will be where some problems might be encountered, if any.

Other Comments: I've had no dealings with Zhengdefu in the past and the word from other modellers in rms suggest they copy molds [possibly pirated] from other manufacturers and churn out an inferior product. This cost $7 AUD which is damn cheap for a kit of this size down here leading me to think perhaps it is a copied mold. Revell are the only brand that released a MiG-31 previously, and while I have not seen that mold first hand, I am having a guess it is probably a copy of that one, as the parts breakdown do not match the other newer released kits. I DO NOT condone purchasing pirated copied kits, but in the interests of bringing you information and an unbiased review, the deed had to be done on this one. In the box, it looks great but I have some reservations, so we will wait and see how it pans out in the build. So stay tuned!

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credit to this webistie Zhengdefu 1/72 MiG-31 review

This is the russian make Zvezda MiG 1.44


Background



Even the most jaded booster of American fighter aircraft has to admit that, for the past twenty years, the ex-Evil Empire's really been "getting with the (fighter) program." They had to, of course, because since 1976 the F-15 in the hands of not only the hometown boys, but also the Israelis had been beating the performance of existing Soviet/Russian fighters like a drum. First came the Fulcrum, and then its bigger, badder brother, the Flanker, which offered the first serious threat to Western fighter supremacy. As in the game of Poker, the F-22 Raptor "saw" the Flanker and "raised" the stakes considerably, as has European development of the Eurofighter and Rafale.

Russia's answer to the American ATF program which spawned the F-22, was the development (started in 1986) of a fifth generation, Multi-role fighter (MFI) which has since morphed into the Mig 1.44, a fly-by-wire, fire-and-forget, vectored thrust weapon system. Although F-22 development and production funding has, and will continue to be a problem, it pales in comparison to the gigantic financial obstacles facing Russia's post-1991military structure. Accordingly, the secretive Mig 1.44's first flight, originally planned for 1996, didn't occur until 2000. Further development and series production is cloudy to say the least.

[I]FirstLook

This curmudgeon really wishes Zvezda would move up to 1/48 releases, 'cause this surely looks like a nice kit and would be a perfect companion to the F-22, Typhoon and Rafale. Overall airframe shape and detailing of this close-held aircraft may be assumed to be accurate, since Zvezda states that the model was developed with the blessings of the Mikoyan Design Bureau.



Molding

Excellent!

Crisp with essentially zero flash. Engraving is very petite and sharp, in keeping with the smaller scale. Sprue attachment points are fairly small, equal to those of Tamiyagawa. None of those European limited production releases wherein the spigots are gigantic, often larger than the part to which they are joined. Instead of alignment pins, there are corner guides, which allow for minute adjustments when gluing. There are a few light sink marks on the two smaller underwing pylons, but that's an easy fix. Surface texture is flat, in the manner of glass-beaded molds, but seems to be much finer than that of, say, Fonderies Miniature. In any event, the airframe is not NMF, but intermediate blue over light ghost gray, and the fine texture of the parts makes for excellent paint holding qualities.

Assembly Breakdown

The fuselage features side-by-side forward halves and top/bottom aft sections. The delta wings are essentially one piece with cleverly designed smaller bottom inserts that shouldn't require any filling. Two of the three edges of the inserts form the natural gap that exists between the slats, flaperons, and their junctures with the main wing assembly. The third "gap" is covered by a weapons pylon. The cockpit tub (four-piece seat; I'd probably substitute one of the nice and "busy" resin aftermarket K-36 seats) is straightforward with no molded instrument/console detail, using decals instead, as in Zvezda's previously released Mig-31 Foxhound. Finely detailed, two-piece afterburner assemblies offer two configurations.

Intake

The multipiece intake trunk strongly resembles that of the Eurofighter and is cleverly shaped, using bowed vari-ramps to hide the fact that there's no uninterrupted smooth tunnel to the compressor faces which are glued to the main gear wells.

Landing Gear

All gear strut assemblies are multipiece which, in 1/72, calls for some delicate glue application. Wheel wells are added to the fuselage assembly from the inside and have minimal piping details.

Clear Parts

The windscreen and canopy are separate, fairly thin and exceptionally clear. For those wishing to go the open canopy route, two simple raising mechanisms are included. A display stand is included for those desiring an in-flight presentation.

Decals and Color Guide

Exterior colors are called out and listed in Model Master paint reference numbers, but no advice is given re cockpit, intake and wheel well colors. The decal sheet is small but certainly adequate, especially for a 1/72 model of a secretive aircraft. Two marking schemes are offered.

Instructions

The instruction booklet has eight pages of easily understood assembly drawings with minimal bilingual text and decent three-views for marking/color reference.

Conclusion

This curmudgeonly fan of Russian aircraft is impressed!
Zvezda is very, very close in overall quality to the Big Dogs of the industry.
Now, won't some enterprising Russian/Ukrainian outfit please do one in 1/48 scale?
Recommended.

NOTE: Zvenda and Ilteleri (dunno the speeling) are a partner just like Revil and Monogram so certain Zevezda product will appear as Itteleri product becos its the only reseler outside Russia....
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credited to Zvenzda MiG 1.44 review


wish can buy this model in malaysia....

anyway why this thread suddenly dying up wan???

This post has been edited by minizian: Nov 7 2005, 03:35 PM