no I'm trying to tell crab, seated shoulder press are the bare basics. Screw military or standing presses. Mind muscle connection. Heavy weights = growth. Remember how we spent the training session fine tuning your form and bam! You hit the sweet spot?

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Added on October 25, 2011, 1:00 amAwesome!!

This post has been edited by darklight79: Oct 25 2011, 01:00 AM

I wish I had the wallet for that amount of food.

yeah man, that i did! agree on the seated presses. shoulders for me i always start with either smith or db presses.

that article looks a bit commercialized for muscletech, i dunno..

at first, i was doing it with free weight off a bench... i tell ya, it was more on my wrist than on my chest....

then, i try "dry bar" and i could feel it more on the pecs aspecially on the upper part....

so i wonder, how could i do it without hurting my elbows and wrists?

the answer is smith machine and machine press...

its the safest way to do reverse grip without blowing up ur wrists and elbows...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/video-anat...f-the-chest.htm

exactly my sentiments. Having a reverse grip is not going to build you 500% more muscle. It may stimulate a little bit more pec muscle but is it worth to take the risk and go under such an awkward position and like a few of us mentioned, having your wrists and shoulders be under so much pressure? You can go incline , decline and flat or go under a HS machine to vary your angle so why try this? I'm turning 21 this week and I'm a young lad, but I have had to understand very quickly that it's all about moving the max amount of weight, maximizing the max amount of targeted muscle in the best technique and form IN THE SAFEST ENVIRONMENT that's going to help me build my body. I don't care if says that I'm a sissy for not doing BB bench so much or only BB squatting once in a fortnight or only doing Smith Machine Shoulder Press. I don't care if I get laughed at for strapping up my wrists when I do presses and strapping up my knees when I go heavy with legs or strap a belt on when i'm shoulder pressing. I have my reasons for doing it and if I get laughed at, so be it. At least I know I'm not training with my ego and I'm not gonna potentially die on the gym floor

This post has been edited by razorboy: Oct 25 2011, 09:45 AM

Lol the free weights only mentality needs to be kicked out. I Smith shoulder press 275lbs. No one calls me a sissy.

you are in a position that you're able to let the weights do the talking. I have a thick skin. But guys that just start out, they are always concerned about this kind of things. In the gym, unless you're confident to hold your own, the newer guys will always succumb to wanting to looking macho, lift heavy ass weight without any concern. I've always had problems with my shoulder to begin with, so I had to find out and understood a lot about training safely. And I've been thick faced all my life. but i'd be lying if my ego never once came into mind.

hmm, after a moment to reflect, i would agree to this. the new guys in the gym have this mentality where they have to fit in. hell, when i first started i was doing random things on machines, not even daring to step on the freeweights area.

to actually enter a free weights area where everyone else is doing more weights than you and still be confident enough to hold up on your own is pretty courageous imo. especially if you are a female.

i got lucky. i was literally dragged into the free weights by my gym buddies when they saw me fooling around with the machines. if it werent for them, progress for me would be much slower than it is atm.

and to those trying to be macho by doing heavy ass weights without proper form, dont. there are people who will lift heavier than you, with better form, and with more reps. always. its how you look that matters, not the weight you lift.

of course this doesnt apply to powerlifters, lol.

good solid advice

+1

It's pretty intimidating for the newbie to be benching 55 lbs when everyone around him is doing well over 100. Same thing for me. Took a while to shelve the ego and the need to conform.

i'm benching <100lbs ATM(i'm a weakling who is very new to gym ), but i still do it, i dont know them, they dont know me(heck, if they know me also)
i dont need to impress them la

same goes to me. (been training at home for 3 months, and a months plus in gym currently). the max that i can bench is 95lbs, but i still do it for the sake of my own progress. but seriously, i do envy guys that can bench heavy.

im not... just minding my own business... cuz i know someday, i'll reach tat level... but not now...

You big sissy!

LOL'd

But i fool around with machines. =(

=P

Pedro!! Tricep dipped 75kg x 6 reps! Woo hoo!!

i was doing the newbie thing with the machines. and wtf sick poundages

I'm 71kg, I just realized i tricep dip heavier than my BW. Lol... it's the preworkout booster i think. It was madness, i was curling 60lbs dumbbells for alternate curls.

Lies.
I took preworkout boosters and I ain't curling 60 lbs dumbbells.

=( Sniff.......