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KennyKB	Oct 28 2011, 05:30 PM Return to original view \| Post #81
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(tumira @ Oct 28 2011, 03:39 PM) Hi guys Ever tried Navit or qlandkarte M on Nokia N9? Since the softwares able to read garmin map? Just want to know. If N9 or N900 able to read garmin map, this is definitely a plus for me. N9 has Nokia maps and free navigation so why would you need Garmin? You'll find very few navigation apps in N9 or Symbian because they see no point to compete with free Nokia maps.
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KennyKB	Oct 28 2011, 07:03 PM Return to original view \| Post #82
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 28 2011, 05:50 PM) Wow, today I try out N9. It is awesome. I feel like upgrading my iPhone 4 to N9. Sure or not? Moving from ios with tons apps to N9 is like a biologist moving from a tropical rainforest to a desert.
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KennyKB	Oct 29 2011, 03:13 AM Return to original view \| Post #83
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 28 2011, 10:33 PM) I found out that N9 can load Java plug in. Omg Can meh? Not sure about this. From the Meego forum they say no.
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KennyKB	Oct 29 2011, 11:19 AM Return to original view \| Post #84
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 28 2011, 05:50 PM) Wow, today I try out N9. It is awesome. I feel like upgrading my iPhone 4 to N9. QUOTE(andrekua @ Oct 29 2011, 01:04 AM) LoL... @ UPGRADING... APPS - downgrade VIDEO - downgrade UI - upgrade MULTITASKING - upgrade CAMERA - upgrade MUSIC PLAYER - same SOCIAL NETWORKING - slight downgrade (no Whatsapp) NFC - upgrade SCREEN SIZE - upgrade LOOKS - upgrade Overall should be downgrade because apps make up 50% of the smartphone experience. But if he doesn't use apps than can be considered upgrade lor...
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KennyKB	Oct 29 2011, 04:58 PM Return to original view \| Post #85
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Oct 29 2011, 02:40 PM) Nokia N9 NFC worked on Malaysia Passport. I still don't what is it for, but for sure it can help unlock Angry Birds Magic levels. u forgot something GPS - UPGRADE Not sure about that. iphone's GPS is very sensitive and very fast even indoors with A-GPS. My old iphone 3GS can get a lock almost instantly indoors but my N9 takes some seconds. Good but not up to iphone standard. Added on October 29, 2011, 6:02 pm QUOTE(Andy214 @ Oct 29 2011, 03:11 PM) Personally, I don't classify apps determine smarpthone experience, if it's about apps only, you don't need a smartphone, you just need a device which support apps. If one thing iPhone successfuly change, I would say it changes how people sees smartphone, and emphasize on apps. If only apps is of concern, the OS can be very simple and easy to maintain, everything just focus on apps. I agree, apps aren't everything. The UI, integration with social media, ease of getting things done, customizability, screen resolution, camera, etc are also important but a smartphone is only smart if it has smart apps. Otherwise it has nothing above feature phones. In my opinion apps constitute about 50% of the smartphone experience. The iphone hardware is nothing special but Apple can sell at a premium because of the ios appstore. It remains to be seen what happens to the app development for Meego-Harmattan. This will ultimately determine whether the N9 becomes a mass market product or a niche product for Geeks and N900 nostalgic users. Right now I see some encouraging signs in the Meego community but it is still early days. Who is to say if the 'Holy Grail' of Harmattan, an Android emulator will appear? This will be the "God App" for N9. This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 29 2011, 06:04 PM
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KennyKB	Oct 29 2011, 07:06 PM Return to original view \| Post #86
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	16GB N9 has dropped to RM1719! (RRP RM1799) http://www.superbuy.my/shop/p-78520-nokia-n9-16gb.aspx What to hear a joke? Nokia is accepting pre-orders for Lumia in Europe. They think they are iphone aarh? Which imbecile wants to pre-order something which will be plentifully available later with supply exceeding demand? This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 29 2011, 07:11 PM
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KennyKB	Oct 29 2011, 10:56 PM Return to original view \| Post #87
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	Andy, I agree with you on many points especially the iphone being an app launcher but the success of the iphone show that this is not altogether a wrong path to take. Apple must be doing something right. On one hand apps can be seen as an extension of the os. Whether the function is built-in or obtained from an app shouldn't make any difference to the user experience. But the way the os allow you to integrate tasks or switch between tasks or gather messages into a thread cannot be duplicated by apps. This boils down to the beauty of the os and Meego is a very beautiful os. However even a beautiful and capable os need apps to extend its functionality. Those who say they don't need apps don't really need a smartphone. No need for an appstore as big as ios but a few thousand useful apps would ensure its survival. So have you got your N9 yet?
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KennyKB	Oct 30 2011, 12:09 PM Return to original view \| Post #88
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	Another good review of N9, a so-called "dead os". It makes you wonder how far Meego can go if Nokia had given it full support instead of trying to beat down its popularity in favour of Wp7. Andy, as our resident analyst-philosopher what do you think of Nokia's strategy of focusing only on WP7? Will WP7 be able to claw back market share and lift Nokia's fortunes or is this the last roll of the dice? Would Nokia be better off pursuing a multi-platform strategy with Meego in the forefront?
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KennyKB	Oct 30 2011, 05:23 PM Return to original view \| Post #89
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	Good insight Andy. PR1.1 will be released soon and it has a lot of bug fixes and some refinements. PR1.2 is already in an advanced stage and it will bring a host of new features. This is according to Konttori's blog. The Ideas Project for N9 has attracted a lot of participation and I'm sure will be taken into account in future os versions. So Nokia isn't abandoning Meego yet. I think the staff really want to take Meego forward although the CEO is lukewarm. Lack of future Meego device from Nokia is not a problem for most users. People buy for the present, not the future. A possible upgrade path may be to Tizen by Samsung/Intel. Lack of Whatsapp is more serious as this software has become so powerful that it is practically a must-have for mass market acceptance. But if the user base of N9 expands Whatsapp may change their mind. Samsung has also developed their own free cross platform "Chat-On" for Bada, Android, ios and Blackberry because Whatsapp will not port to Bada. But for now I think the typical N9 adopter is not a must-have Whatsapp user although it will be important for N9 to expand to more general users. It would be great if Nokia's WP7 phones flop in the market and Nokia comes back to Meego with its tail between its legs. Another great would be if N9 can upgrade to Tizen and Tizen and run N9 apps. This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 30 2011, 05:42 PM
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KennyKB	Oct 30 2011, 05:46 PM Return to original view \| Post #90
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	I think it's an uphill task for WP7 to claw back market share. First of all the other 2 horses (ios and Android) are so far ahead; WP7 has a mere 2% market share now. What can WP7 bring to the table? In most areas it is just playing catch-up with ios and Android. Things like multi-tasking, conversation threads and front facing camera are old hat in other platforms but only recently introduced in Mango. WP7 also has many Apple-like restrictions like opaque file system, no bluetooth transfer, tied to Zune for file transfer and no micro-Sd card. But it doesn't have the huge app store of ios to ameliorate the restrictions. Giving 25GB cloud storage does not work in developing countries where data charges are high. So its still a 2 horse race and WP7 doesn't change this. It could have been a 3 horse race if Nokia had fully backed Meego but that chance may be gone now. ios and Android have taken 80% of the market and WP7 will have to fight for the balance with Blackberry, Symbian, Bada and Meego. This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 30 2011, 06:07 PM
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KennyKB	Oct 30 2011, 06:51 PM Return to original view \| Post #91
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Oct 30 2011, 06:34 PM) 2% market share?elop said competitive ecosystem. I'm quoting from BBC which says only 1 in 50 smartphones sold are WP7. It has come down from 6% last year. Competitive ecosystem is only in Elop's wet dream. In Malaysia almost nobody uses WP7. In the U.S. its penetration is also very low. Slapping Nokia's brand name on it will make no difference. In the U.S. Nokia's image is negative and associated with cheap phones used by grandmas. This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 30 2011, 06:57 PM
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KennyKB	Oct 31 2011, 12:27 AM Return to original view \| Post #92
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(Similan @ Oct 30 2011, 10:48 PM) before meego, only windows phone had the power and capability to deliver smooth and fast touch experience. it was because rush to market that's why it failed. now with mango update, thgs shld look better. am looking fwd to lumia. sorry n9, but u are doa. Bolehland still cannot buy WP7 apps and there are very few free apps. So how? This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 31 2011, 08:21 AM
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KennyKB	Oct 31 2011, 10:34 AM Return to original view \| Post #93
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	First working FM radio app for N9. http://www.my-meego.com/software/applicati...dAuto=488&faq=2 FM Transmitter? Don't hold your breath for it. Konttori of Nokia has confirmed it is not possible. kYHV2BuCSMM This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 2 2011, 07:24 PM
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KennyKB	Oct 31 2011, 12:16 PM Return to original view \| Post #94
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	Hi Andy. Your views always make interesting reading. Regarding apps for N9 it may be better than N900 but we can't compare with the lowest standard. It's like comparing Malaysia to African countries, of course we'll look good. Take away all the useless RSS feed apps the N9 app store is growing very slowly. You can see the new useful ones coming out in My-Meego.com and it's like a couple of apps a day, sometimes none. There are many good and specialized apps but there are also many holes meaning basic apps like wi-fi file transfer, wi-fi analyzer, QR code reader, scientific calculator, gps parking, Kamasutra, etc which are not in yet. (OK the last isn't a basic app. ). We don't know when the holes will be filled if at all. Of course it's still early days and the apps may pick up but this is always an unknown factor for potential users. Not many commercial developers are coming in. How long will the Meego/Maemo community support Harmattan? N900 has many more useful apps than N9 but apparently it is quite difficult to port over. On the os side I am less worried. The os will be polished further with PR1.1 and improved with PR1.2. Both these are definitely coming. Beyond that who knows but is it really important if there will be no more Meego phones? Most of us keep our mobile for 2 years or less anyway and then we look around for the next upgrade.
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KennyKB	Oct 31 2011, 02:05 PM Return to original view \| Post #95
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	Yes, Nokia should push for more quality apps and even approach Whatsapp directly but will they? Nokia's intentions w.r.t. Meego are suspect as Elop wants to focus on WP7 as their sole platform. Nokia's approach so far to produce a Wizard for RSS feed apps has been more negative than positive as the Ovi store is flooded with these useless apps and good apps get lost among them. This may put off some developers. On the positive side almost all the essential apps are in like radio streaming, podcasting, e-book reader, GPS status, GPS tracking, Skype, Flickr, Picasa, Dropbox, Spotify, SoundCloud clients, etc and some very nice games. What comes next can only make things better especially if the holes I mentioned are filled. But it cannot be denied that the lure of the huge Android appstore is strong and there are many fun/educational apps which have almost no chance of appearing in Meego. Personally I'll give Meego 6 months and see what comes up and then even I may succumb to its siren song. So are you sure you still want to get an N9, Andy?
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KennyKB	Oct 31 2011, 09:49 PM Return to original view \| Post #96
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(Andy214 @ Oct 31 2011, 04:02 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « True, good point, the apps flooding the store will draw away developers as their good/quality apps maybe covered/lost by among those useless apps. Nokia really need to manage their store properly. Android is indeed a big lure, so many phones manufacturer to choose from offering different kinds of design and specs, plus, more and more people are using Android, and it also supports Full Flash, etc. Just too bad there isn't a good qwerty available, the most recent would be the upcoming Droid 4; but there's hardly one good one for qwerty device. My sim card also change to micro-SIM, and been using the current N9 for some time; kinda hook. My option would be either this or wait for the Lumia 800? Btw, for my review, I took a comparison shot yesterday between N9 and N8, to compare the wide angle difference, and I just use auto mode. Took indoor at shopping mall... The N8 image quality beat the crap out of N9, but N9 offers wider angle of view. For this, I did some research yesterday and come across certain site which mentioned N9 is 26mm wide angle? After researching more, I came across Damian Dining website himself, it's due to the sensor size of N9, which is not the normal 4:3 or 16:9 sensor size, it's trying to achieve best of both world utilizing the image circle (which is while the total sensor size giving 8.7MP), thus in 16:9 mode, it will fully utilize the width of the image circle, resulting in 26mm equivalent on 35mm format. Added on October 31, 2011, 4:34 pmArgh darn, the mediadownloader and cuteTube is under paid apps; Haven't been checking since previously loan to others for review. Between the N9 and Lumia 800, better to choose N9. Malaysia still can't buy WP7 apps so this is a big drawback. Meego buttonless OS is more elegant than WP7 and faster to operate. To me, a phone camera is just for record shots. For important holiday shots use a proper camera like a DSLR with a good lens. It's not easy to hold a camera phone and press the shutter without shake. When the light gets tricky even an N8 will fail. For the record, Lumia camera is worse than N9. This post has been edited by KennyKB: Oct 31 2011, 09:55 PM
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KennyKB	Nov 1 2011, 08:18 AM Return to original view \| Post #97
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	Whatsapp's dominance will be challenged soon if they are so selective on what platforms that want to port. They will not port to Bada or Meego. Samsung has created their own free cross-platform IM app called Chat-On in response to Whatsapp refusal to port to Bada.
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KennyKB	Nov 1 2011, 03:09 PM Return to original view \| Post #98
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	Actually I think apps are more important than os upgrades Andy. Provided of course the os is already reasonably complete and polished. Users will get interested and excited with new apps which push the functionality of their phones even if the os is stagnant. For example take Windows os. Microsoft has to keep pushing out new versions to make money but how many people will bother if it is stuck on Win XP provided new software and software updates keep coming? The N900 could go living but but it is already discontinued by Nokia so no choice it has to wind down. But it was never intended to be a mass market product, more an experimental product so it was never promoted or marketed widely by Nokia. But N9 has the potential to be a mass market product. Whether N9 become a mass market or a niche product will depend on developer support. WebOs died because it failed to attract developers although its os was widely praised. Bada is dying slowly for the same reason. Of course there is always the "chicken and egg" situation with regards to apps, developers and users but the community of Meego developers writing N9/N950 apps with no regards for commercial potential bodes well. Of course Nokia can just pull the plug on Meego-Harmattan by stopping production on N9 but that's another story. This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 1 2011, 03:17 PM
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KennyKB	Nov 1 2011, 05:27 PM Return to original view \| Post #99
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Nov 1 2011, 05:02 PM) Btw, those looking for screen protector, they have, ori is RM59.90. The salesman took a good 10 min to paste it ngam2 due to curve screen. If you want cheaper, of vourse can buy tablet screen protector & cut Wow, rm60 for a screen protector.
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KennyKB	Nov 1 2011, 05:55 PM Return to original view \| Post #100
Regular Senior Member 1,765 posts Joined: Dec 2010	QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Nov 1 2011, 05:49 PM) Upsilon, no, very clear, BUT it doesnt cover whole screen, left out around 2 mm left & right, 3 mm top & bottom. Top & bottom is non LCD part of screen. That's why the sales man must slowly measure, paste ngam2 in the middle, got air bubble, had to re-paste, lol. The boss said due to curve screen, if cover full, will have bubbles. For this you want to pay rm60? It just avoid the curve part by not covering it. Better cut your own. One 7" Galaxy tab protector can cut three (3) pieces. Added on November 1, 2011, 5:58 pm QUOTE(Andy214 @ Nov 1 2011, 05:37 PM) Definitely BH-505, different kind of product, one is STEREO headset (and NFC Ready) and another is just single/mono headset. Still not good enough for listening to music to my ears. I think the compression to send by bluetooth and decompression really mangled the sound. This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 1 2011, 05:59 PM
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