Smartphone global market share in Oct 2011. ios climbs to top spot, Android down to No. 2. WP7 + WinMobile a paltry 0.2% (meaning WP7 may be 0.1% or less). Elop said a new dawn of Nokia. Maybe a new sunset for Nokia for embracing the loser WP7?
Source: http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/01/ios-market-s...no-2-mobile-os/

If Meego is prematurely announced as dead then WP7 is dying from lack of consumer interest. Who knows maybe Meego may overtake WP7 in market share and give Elop a slap in the face?

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Added on November 1, 2011, 10:04 pmYo, Andy! Any comments on why WP7 is facing such consumer resistance? Too many Microsoft haters? No Whatsapp until Mango? Nobody wants Windows on their PC and Windows on their phones? Or the UI just too ugly?

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 1 2011, 10:11 PM


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Still the same. Microsoft still doesn't allow UI to be customized.

Well, i don't know, I think the os is quite original, neither ios or Android.

They also produce WP7 phones.

Nokia's name is associated with boring, cheap phones. It's image is staid and stodgy. The Nokia name won't attract young trendy people like those who won't be caught driving a Volvo. It's like a marriage between the boring and the hated.

But this is nothing to do with PC business. Their dominance in PC os may work against them as nobody wants smartphones to be dominated by Microsoft.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 1 2011, 10:26 PM

No la...from Melaka to KL the travelling cost probably not exceed your rm60 screen protector while the bh505 is worth rm200.

You can create folders after plugging into PC in mass storage mode and copy files to it. I've not come across this memory low to install apps before. Try rebooting your phone, it probably means RAM not storage space.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 2 2011, 12:07 AM

LOL! A static tile is just an icon, nothing more. A tile doing some useless animation is just wasting time and battery. I'll rather have a live wallpaper which can display some interesting stuff. For those who like the tile look there is already an Android look alike. This shows how customizable Android is. WP7 may have some merits but I don't see it grabbing market share from Android or ios.

Trying to beat down a product (N9) which has captured consumer interest in favour of another product (WP7) which has not proven itself is just plain wrong. The market will punish Nokia for this. There is no reason why Nokia cannot go with a multi-platform strategy instead of behaving like Microsoft's lackey.

Microsoft's way of conducting business is to strong-arm the competition down. Back in the early days of MsDOS and Windows 3.0, MS was indicted for forcing computer companies not to bundle competitors' OS for a competitive deal to bundle MsDOS and Windows. So it comes as no surprise that MS has insisted that Nokia go on a risky WP7 only strategy instead of a more rational multi-platform strategy.

But then again only a MS mole like Elop would have made this sort of deal which ties its fate firmly to the success of WP7.

But it's not dumped by manufacturers or developers yet. Nokia has said they will provide updates for a few years and apps are being developed for N9. The long term prospect for Meego continuity is dim as Elop has announced no more Meego phone. But I doubt consumers look that far ahead. All they want is a good phone to last maybe 2 years before they upgrade.

Well, I think MS copied a lot of design philosophy from Apple including dumbing down the UI and imposing a lot of restrictions. But MS doesn't have the iconic status of Apple so they just look dumb. Things like opaque file system and no micro-SD card are unnecessary. Apple can get away with a lot of things other manufacturers can't. Even if Apple package a pile of poo and sell it their fans will still buy it. Then of course there is the huge ios appstore which many smartphone users will die for.

Lot's of things Apple does isn't new but when Apple does it, the world goes "Waah! It's so new and innovative." Even Siri isn't new. Symbian has vlingo way before, it works on old Symbian phones without a data connection and it works remarkably well. Take a look at this video.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/it...nd_control_.php


This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 2 2011, 02:33 PM

PR_1.1 for tune-ups and bug fixes is about to be released and PR_1.2 with new features is at an advanced stage so N9 users are at least assured of these 2 updates. Beyond that I won't worry too much. In comparison most Android users only get one os update from the manufacturer.

As for apps there's a good chance renegade (enthusiast) developers will keep the platform alive just like they kept N900 alive. So think positive and get your N9 soon. Andy will be getting one as soon as he clears his tax.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 2 2011, 03:56 PM

Just browsed the Ovi store but can't find anything new and useful among all the useless RSS feed apps. Really disappointed with Nokia for creating an RSS feed app wizard and allowing all manner of rubbish to come in.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 2 2011, 08:52 PM

I thought it is PR_1.1 Sigh....

I think it is wrong to generalize that old people can't keep up with technology. I know some of the forum members in Low Yat are past 50 and they can teach young people a thing or two about gadgets. You don't have to make old people happy, you don't owe them anything and vice-versa. You have to grow old yourself one day so drop the snide disdain of old people which is obvious in your post.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 3 2011, 07:38 PM

okay explanation accepted but could have been a little clearer in your post.

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Added on November 3, 2011, 10:38 pmThere are different devices for everybody, most want something simple which works which Apple fulfills, those who want more power may go for another os like Android which allows a huge amount of customization. You could provide a switch to toggle between advanced and simple mode but most people won't bother to toggle the switch so it may as well be left out. Apple cater to a certain market segment so if you don't fit in that segment just don't buy it. The main thing is to buy something which suits you. If a company can get away with selling something simple why bother to make it more advanced and gain maybe just a bit more sales? Making it simple means less things can go wrong which is an advantage for the company.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 3 2011, 10:38 PM

Well Andy, you may disagree about the way Apple dumbs down products for its customers but it is not Apple's job to educate customers or improve their skills. Like all companies its aim is just to sell and make money for its shareholders. If it can package a pile of poo and sell it, it will.

Yeah, people should improve their skills and go on to the next level but they can move out of dumbed down products to other product which suits them more. Like iphone to Android. Or a digicam to a DSLR. Incidentally N9 may have the basic/advance toggle switch which you love as it can go to terminal mode and developer mode but how much you can do there I don't know.

There is no right way or wrong way for a company marketing a commercial product. They have very little social responsibility. The only right way is to make money. Period.

The time display use only a tiny amount of power and it switches off in your pocket or when placed face down so switching it off is probably negligible in extending battery life.

There is QAD file manager and File Manager Beta in Ovi store. I recommend the 2nd one.

There seem to be no catch. It doesn't say it is on contract. It's either a misprint or a very good deal for a 16GB N9.

Chill, Andy. I don't agree with what ios is doing but I don't think they are wrong either. It's giving the market something which will sell. If millions of iphone users can accept Apple's "dumb os" and restrictions who is to say Apple is doing wrong?

The market will punish whatever product doesn't fit or adapt to their needs. Examples are Lotus 1-2-3, dBase and Wordstar. If you are as old as me you may have heard of them. They were market leaders in their time but they died out when MS Office entered the ring giving users an easier way to accomplish things. In a way you can say MS is dumbing down users but they can accomplish what they want.

It's not really for you or me to say an os should be this or that. That is for the market to decide. Right now Apple is doing something right based on their iphone popularity. If they decide to dumb down ios to imbecile level the market will punish them. So it's more or less self-correcting. Why do Japanese cars sell for higher price and lower specs here? Because of our protectionist car market which force up imported makes. Consumers forced to accept this situation doesn't meant they like it or they can do anything about it.

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Added on November 4, 2011, 2:13 pmWhy waste energy complaining in the Nokia forum about WP7 restrictions? The software is produced by Microsoft, not Nokia. MS tried to copy Apple's design philosophy but fell flat. As to why some can and some can't maybe Andy can give us his opinion.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 4 2011, 02:13 PM

Amoled screen you can't just replace the glass, have to replace the whole screen.



This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 4 2011, 06:25 PM

Yes, but don't waste your time. I went to Courts to check and the price is RM1799. They switched the price between the N9 and the Nokia 700D bottom right. In countries with strong consumer laws they would have to sell at the advertised price but no such thing in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by KennyKB: Nov 4 2011, 09:03 PM

Yes, we got our N9 but if the price is really rm1025 for 16GB I would go and grab another one. Can give to your wife/children/gf mah.