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Ramjade
post Nov 29 2017, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Nov 29 2017, 02:04 PM)
Wth are you talking about?? You do not buy PRS, you pay your tax, you see your 3k immediately in front of you. What do you mean "never see your money again at 55 years old"??????

Specifically to TS case, he gets a paltry 5% rebate. Amortized over a period of 30 years (estimate), that is only 0.16% p.a. With the money locked for 30 years and with limited funds to choose from, 0.16% is not worth the effort.

IMO, PRS tax relief is only worth it if your tax bracket is >20% and you are near to retirement age
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Who said you do not buy? You can call it buy/parking but you need to fork out money for it first and you will be given units hence it's still buying.

You pay income tax, what do you get back after 30 years? Zip, nil nothing aka your money is gone for good.

Now, considering if you were continue putting in money into PRS Rm3k/year into PRS. After 30 years, you should get back RM90k + whatever extra the fund makes.

That's why you must choose a good fund. Even a lousy fund which give you FD rates will return you > RM90k after 30 years.
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post Nov 29 2017, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Nov 29 2017, 08:20 PM)
I just invest rm1k thru fsm for buying cimb PRS Japan ex . But now showing 989.40. What happen to 10.60?
And will I now consider qualify to get youth incentive? Is it the government trf the 1k to our PRS?
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RM10.60 is the activation fee charged by PPA. Yes. Still can get rm1k. Of course, age must qualify.
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post Nov 29 2017, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Nov 29 2017, 08:39 PM)
When will get the incentive from government?
And to qualify for next year youth incentive again, I need to top up 1k after 1/1/18?
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Depending on when you topup. Govt will pay out 2x a year one lump sum. Depending which date is the nearest to your buying date. Best to ask FSM CS. They told me before but I forgotten as who cares about it once money masuk.
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post Nov 30 2017, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(alpha team @ Nov 30 2017, 10:58 AM)
that mean have to open saving account with CIMB, and create the E Banking (CIMB CLick), then only can buy ?

can i walk in to branch and buy without open saving accouont?
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You buy from Cimb online, kena charge 3%. Buy FSM don't kena charge.
Ramjade
post Dec 1 2017, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(neo_6053 @ Dec 1 2017, 05:25 PM)
yeah, i have no experience in UT at all. But just trust the expert review (ofcoz knowingly there is risk involved) I think I will buy into this since whatever study I do in this short time will never exceed whatever the expert team has already done. Just have to prepare for the worse and hope that whatever fund they recommend is not because of marketing or what. Thanks for advice
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Never trust what the fund house people say. They always say their product is the best. Do your own research or ask independent people who have no conflict of interest.
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post Dec 2 2017, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 1 2017, 10:25 PM)
the only reason one will invest in prs is for the tax deduction.
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Precisely. Once they stop the tax relief, I am not going to contribute anymore.

QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 2 2017, 04:40 PM)
My PRS in fsm still pending. I submitted form then only made pymt. How long they will take to process? Because my fsm app account shows pending. They will send email confirmation later or letter?
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Keep in mind that you need to manually mail FSM all the application form.
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post Dec 3 2017, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 2 2017, 10:09 PM)
Pymt on 30/11. They confirm rcv the form by mail on 28/11.
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Just wait 1 week la. Normal what. Lots of paperwork.
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post Dec 3 2017, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(bluebay @ Dec 3 2017, 03:42 PM)
I see most of you against public mutual here 🤣 and unfortunately I'm holding 2 of the PRS fund under public mutual now.. if i would like to buy the cimb fund this year.. what is the easiest way for me to do so? Do I still need to submit ic to register again?
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It's because their performance is subpar(when compared to other funds). Having 2 PRS fund means you are paying 2x annual fees.

Your option
1) transfer out your public mutual into cimb
2) buy another Cimb PRS (which means you are paying 3x annual fees)

Yes. Need to submit IC as now you are opening account with cimb principal.
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post Dec 3 2017, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(i1899 @ Dec 3 2017, 08:23 PM)
Annual fee RM8.48 is deducted ONLY when u top up.  if u dont top up, annual fee will not be deducted.

So, holding 3 vs 2 funds are the same, in term of cost.
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If got tax relief, takkan you don't want to topup and forgo the tax relief? hmm.gif
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post Dec 5 2017, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(louis6 @ Dec 5 2017, 03:40 PM)
I just want to sign up for tax deduction and stop once there's no tax relief anymore.

If put in 3k then govern top up 1k, I will get relief for 3k as well ?

Can I make it for this financial year if I open an account next week?

Which bank would you recommend ?
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Yes.

Still can. Take about 1-2 week for account opening.

Which bank is the best? Avoid banks as they will charge you 3%. Use FSM MY or eUT Malaysia Most PRS funds suck. You should not be thinking just for tax deduction. You should think about
1) tax dedeuction
2) able to beat EPF

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Dec 5 2017, 05:20 PM
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post Dec 6 2017, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(jueiri @ Dec 6 2017, 04:22 PM)
Dear sifu,

I am thinking to buy prs from public mutual. Any advice and recommendation?

Thanks in advanced.
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Stay far away from anything related with public mutual. Their performance is subpar. If you want to make your money work, best advise to pick a fund that can perform.

QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 6 2017, 05:37 PM)
Performance are based on past performance.....so cannot tell so much but can  just assume...
Sales charges will make a fund handicap by that %.
Btw...to sone people the tax rebate can also easily cover the performance variance for a few years
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Better to have a fund which can perform rather than a fund which have a history of not performing at all.
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post Dec 6 2017, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 6 2017, 08:43 PM)
Topped up for Affin PRS Moderate today.
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Thinking to add my cimb prs seeing that asia funds aee in the red.
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post Dec 6 2017, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 6 2017, 08:58 PM)
Will do that early next year if situation allows.
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I think the drop is big enough for me yet.
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post Dec 6 2017, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 6 2017, 09:00 PM)
My this year quota has fully exercised. LOL
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Typo.

I think the drop is not big enough for me yet. rclxms.gif
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post Dec 6 2017, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(virgoguy @ Dec 6 2017, 09:53 PM)
How big is consider big enough? 🤔
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Around 10% will start to deploy large amount rather than small rm100-200. (this is for PRS)

For SG one same. 10% drop deploy larger amount. Otherwise, hold.
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post Dec 11 2017, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(hown @ Dec 11 2017, 12:31 PM)
guys. how can i buy this PRS? especially on weekends because i have work on weekdays.
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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Dec 11 2017, 04:01 PM)
I'm looking to buy CIMB PRS but no time to do it, any agent who is doing this full-time can PM me. Thanks.
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Just open account with FSM or eUT la. Apa agent-agent. doh.gif doh.gif Make payment the night before you go to work or study.
Next day when you come back, transaction is fulfilled.

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post Dec 11 2017, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 11 2017, 04:22 PM)
You need to fill the form for PRS funds especially for first timer.
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It's just drop in the letter box and postman will do everything for you...

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post Jan 3 2018, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(thecontrails @ Jan 2 2018, 02:24 PM)
Hi MrBlackie, newbie for PRS here, may I know you entered CIMB PRS? you went to CIMB branch and applied yourself? Is it cheaper that way rather than go through agent? you opt for "do-it-for-me" for "do-it-myself"? thanks
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I use FSM. Use either FSM or eUT. They are the cheapest in Malaysia at 0% service charge. Walking into cimb and cimb principal is 2 different thing. As cimb is the seller/agent.

Do it for me means you gonna buy few funds and cimb will "supposedly handle the switches" do it myself allow you to just buy one fund. Keep in mind the more funds you have, the more annual fees you need to pay if there is even one transaction in that fund for the entire year.

QUOTE(MrBlackie33 @ Jan 2 2018, 07:50 PM)
Im still quite confused the way of entering PRS via online agent such as FSM...none of my frens entered it yet
Lol and i thought PPA account hav to be opened at physical branch first like how Asnb works...so i opted to open it at bank myself and its easier for me to make inquiry there
I remembered some sifus posted the "online" way to enter prs...couldnt find it at the end too many pages here
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No need to wait for friends. Most people lead the YOLO life. Hence by the time they realise they need savings, it's too late.
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post Jan 3 2018, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(mephyll @ Jan 3 2018, 09:55 AM)
How can i know my PPA account number and password? will FSM send me an email notification?
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PPA will send you letter. FSM got nothing to do with PRS as they just provide you platform to buy and sell. When you open PRS account, you own the PRS. Hence you deal directly with PPA and the PRS fund house.
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post Jan 5 2018, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(thecontrails @ Jan 5 2018, 01:59 PM)
Thanks, I am going to learn more about FSM, but firstly I think I have to go through the fund options available (growth/equity, local/asia) first - I am just too new to understand these funds. Do you look at each funds fact sheets like their investment portfolio?

Seems the choice is quite clear, I dont wish to be charged more annual fees when we can opt to choose the fund ourselves.
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Of course. I look at the fund which I want to buy which for PRS isn't much.

Just pick one fund. No need to look so much

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