QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 6 2017, 11:47 AM)
Agree with PM PRS sucks. First year bought it. After that cabut kuat kuat.Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??
Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??
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Feb 6 2017, 02:11 PM
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Feb 6 2017, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Feb 6 2017, 02:11 PM) How about AIA? My agent told me they (AIA) just got the approval to sell PRS recently.My normal insurance investment link funds perform quite well. Not sure how is their PRS funds. This post has been edited by Eddy924: Feb 6 2017, 02:24 PM |
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Feb 6 2017, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 6 2017, 02:23 PM) How about AIA? My agent told me they (AIA) just got the approval to sell PRS recently. For me, I will stick to investment firms for PRS since its unit trust investment as well. If insurance then I go to AIA la. I dont prefer to mix mix investment, savings, insurance, education fund all in one. I prefer going to the experts for specific jobs My normal insurance investment link funds perform quite well. Not sure how is their PRS funds. |
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Feb 6 2017, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Feb 6 2017, 10:24 AM) Abang,What is your basis to say PRS is safer than conventional unit trust? Even if you say the typical fund componsition are make up of both equity and bonds, it's of the same risk levels as balanced funds. Besides, as other forummer rightly pointed out, there are 100% EQ funds fed into another high risk equity fund as well My gut feeling only, it is just an opinion that you could rebuttle. Maybe a a little bit more accurate to say it as more old skool so to speak. A little bit laid back. I forgot a correct term for that sorry.While your explanation of benefit of unit trust is that you can buy into a large pool of diversified asset is correct, a more balanced view would b, it does come with the price of management fee, and lack of control from the investor's perspective. So it's good for those who wants a hands off, no eye see approach, not so good for those who want complete control and most cost effective method Again, I have to disagree on the same level 4 risk in PRS not as risky as unit trust level 4. I'm guessing you are talking about public mutual risk ratings, which I'm not familiar with. But I would be really skeptical if Public Mutual put in risk ratings that are not comparable across similar products. If they do that, then what's the point of having risk ratings in the first place. But disclaimer is, I've not read their methodology of assigning risk ratings. If you want to talk about FSM risk ratings, I'd be more than happy to do so. |
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Feb 6 2017, 05:27 PM
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I dunno whether this has been asked before, i know that we cannot withdraw but can the funds be transferred to different PRS fund ? Or do you have to stick with the fund until you retire
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Feb 6 2017, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Feb 6 2017, 05:27 PM) I dunno whether this has been asked before, i know that we cannot withdraw but can the funds be transferred to different PRS fund ? Or do you have to stick with the fund until you retire read this?http://www.ppa.my/prs/about-prs/prs-scheme-features/ |
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Feb 6 2017, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 6 2017, 02:23 PM) How about AIA? My agent told me they (AIA) just got the approval to sell PRS recently. You can use aia, compare to other fund houses investing in malaysia for prs. That will give you indicator on how good/bad.My normal insurance investment link funds perform quite well. Not sure how is their PRS funds. Aia actually got the prs licence few years back, 2013/2014? Not that recent actually. They can do a pretty good job too. But based on past performance right now, affin hwang, kenanga will serve you better with the similar fund type. |
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Feb 6 2017, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 6 2017, 05:35 PM) Thanks !! |
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Feb 6 2017, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 6 2017, 02:23 PM) How about AIA? My agent told me they (AIA) just got the approval to sell PRS recently. AIA funds in the past 3 years for PRS doing pretty well for the growth, moderate and conservative fund My normal insurance investment link funds perform quite well. Not sure how is their PRS funds. Just get it for the income tax deduction |
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Feb 7 2017, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 6 2017, 11:08 PM) AIA funds in the past 3 years for PRS doing pretty well for the growth, moderate and conservative fund See avatar also you have a biased post even others in here are not satisfied with its performance. Just get it for the income tax deduction If you want to defend, you should share some data. |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 6 2017, 02:23 PM) How about AIA? My agent told me they (AIA) just got the approval to sell PRS recently. My normal insurance investment link funds perform quite well. Not sure how is their PRS funds. http://www.ppa.my/providers/funds-informat...nd-performance/ http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 7 2017, 07:55 AM) See avatar also you have a biased post even others in here are not satisfied with its performance. Am I defending a point here or am I even drawing any conclusion? If you want to defend, you should share some data. I'm merely just making a statement. Get your facts right I do not even know what kind of expectation others have for our fund. Nor did I engage them to find out what kind of % return are they looking for. Some people get 7% and still say it sucks. Even if 15% some still say sucks. And before you start accusation just because I'm affiliated with a company. I am not even selling anything in here in the first place and how can that be even biased? Please la if you are pissed and you want to start an argument, make sure you ask it in a nice way rather than poking in words like see your avatar, biased. Coming from an Elite tag is unacceptable. As for whatever facts you want to read, all these info are available publicly in the Internet. It's not that hard to just Google up AIA PRS fund. And for now I do not have the time to entertain on proving whatsoever that AIA is better because that's not what I came here in the first place. Thanks |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:16 AM
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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 7 2017, 08:01 AM) http://www.ppa.my/providers/funds-informat...nd-performance/ http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 7 2017, 08:13 AM) Am I defending a point here or am I even drawing any conclusion? Your statement "3 years for PRS doing pretty well for the growth, moderate and conservative fund".I'm merely just making a statement. Get your facts right I do not even know what kind of expectation others have for our fund. Nor did I engage them to find out what kind of % return are they looking for. Some people get 7% and still say it sucks. Even if 15% some still say sucks. And before you start accusation just because I'm affiliated with a company. I am not even selling anything in here in the first place and how can that be even biased? Please la if you are pissed and you want to start an argument, make sure you ask it in a nice way rather than poking in words like see your avatar, biased. Coming from an Elite tag is unacceptable. As for whatever facts you want to read, all these info are available publicly in the Internet. It's not that hard to just Google up AIA PRS fund. And for now I do not have the time to entertain on proving whatsoever that AIA is better because that's not what I came here in the first place. Thanks Based on what? Figures you plucked from the Heaven. That statement is definitely an indirect marketing. |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 7 2017, 08:01 AM) http://www.ppa.my/providers/funds-informat...nd-performance/ http://gllt.morningstar.com/e6qvxuu98r/fun...B&tab=ShortTerm QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 7 2017, 08:17 AM) Your statement "3 years for PRS doing pretty well for the growth, moderate and conservative fund". I am not sure what is well defined to youBased on what? Figures you plucked from the Heaven. That statement is definitely an indirect marketing. See those figures for yourself and with other PRS companies To me. A 3 year old fund performing on par with mature PRS funds in the market , it's pretty well for me, although the returns are not the best yet. Past performance of the current best funds doesn't necessarily reflect the future that it will provide constantly high return. |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 7 2017, 08:16 AM) Are you sure 6 month performance alone is enough to evaluate a fund? PRS is a long term commitment and switching around will cost you. So, it is prudent to understand the fund and where it invest before justifying its 3 year performance (roughly a time frame for a fund to reach its mature stage) and decide whether the fund is good compare to it's peers |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 7 2017, 08:16 AM) yes, it got 1 fund in 5th position for the last 6 monthsanyway, try see and compare the longest term available...... past performance may not be an indicator of its future performance or its continued performance. This post has been edited by MUM: Feb 7 2017, 08:28 AM |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:25 AM
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The objective of PRS to supplement to EPF.
Its annualized return should match or better than EPF. An annualized return of 5 to 6% consistently throughout the span of 20 to 30 years is not even defined to be greedy of given the rising of cost of living every year and diminishing of purchasing power of MYR. One shouldn't look at the short term gain. Correct me if I'm wrong. This post has been edited by David83: Feb 7 2017, 08:28 AM |
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Feb 7 2017, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 7 2017, 08:16 AM) The below can be tried. Select PRS provider only. Below will exclude Public Mutual Fundshttps://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...fundSelect.svdo QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 7 2017, 08:21 AM) Are you sure 6 month performance alone is enough to evaluate a fund? morningstar sadly shows up to 6 months only. that's the reason why he mentioned 6 months.PRS is a long term commitment and switching around will cost you. So, it is prudent to understand the fund and where it invest before justifying its 3 year performance (roughly a time frame for a fund to reach its mature stage) and decide whether the fund is good compare to it's peers |
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Enjoy. Benchmark against 4% and 8% annualized return. Use it diligently with proper discretionary measures. This post has been edited by David83: Feb 7 2017, 08:40 AM |
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