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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V98, Celebrating KLCI breach 13xx point

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davidcch07
post Sep 19 2011, 11:07 PM

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just notice stock master forum become peaceful...

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post Sep 19 2011, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 19 2011, 11:23 PM)
Greece default, never mind, bond holder lose out only.

Who are the bond holders?
Banks.
Banks losing big money, and affect its liquidity and credibility and confidence is the biggest nightmare of economy.
Economy cannot work without banks.
Now, you see why I said before, we are seeing the disadvantage of globalisation, everything become inter-related.
US banks can lend money to European banks. Money can be transferred from Euro to US and vice versa with a click of mouse.
Globalisation, means you die, I also suffer, everyone is inter-related.
Somebody did wrong thing, but you still need to bare the consequence, just the degree more and less.

See how US QE1+2 aftermath, Asian countries across generally are struggling to contain the inflation pressure?
Asian countries did nothing wrong, they are not venturing into RE bubble, they are not venturing into risky derivatives, exotic derivatives, they just work hard and save enough money for themselves. But we see foods price sky-rocketing, house price shoot to the moon, and many ordinary worker class are not able, even servicing a loan.

If not globalisation, it is your matter, the degree of affect is not as great now.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against globalisation, it has vast advantage, but it is not flawless.
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Well, it is nice to see KLCI rallied from 900+ to 1500+, thanks to QE1+2. biggrin.gif Those who makes money and over-leverage will die, but those who make money and keep will survive.. nod.gif

I think Greece defaulting is just a matter of time. Germany already prepares for it, LKY already said something about it. Then the rest of the news we read, are just like lips service to buy time only for dunno what or who.. The question is whether this Greece defaults will cause even greater effect across the world or specifically US. If it does, then a prolong recession is a sure thing.. If it can be contained within Euro countries, then the effect will go away quicker.

One thing I don't understand is why FF keep on selling down KLCI and Asia? Euro is sick at the moment, and US is in bad shape still. Where the money can go?? There are literally trillions of dollars floating around after QE... Cannot be everything inject into gold.. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(lch78 @ Sep 19 2011, 11:36 PM)
One thing I don't understand is why FF keep on selling down KLCI and Asia? Euro is sick at the moment, and US is in bad shape still. Where the money can go?? There are literally trillions of dollars floating around after QE... Cannot be everything inject into gold..  hmm.gif
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My guess is they're back for bargain hunting at US/Europe?
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:48 PM

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If Greece goes default.. just close one eye and BUY during that big dip!
Seriously! wink.gif
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(lch78 @ Sep 20 2011, 12:36 AM)
Well, it is nice to see KLCI rallied from 900+ to 1500+, thanks to QE1+2.  biggrin.gif  Those who makes money and over-leverage will die, but those who make money and keep will survive..  nod.gif

I think Greece defaulting is just a matter of time. Germany already prepares for it, LKY already said something about it. Then the rest of the news we read, are just like lips service to buy time only for dunno what or who.. The question is whether this Greece defaults will cause even greater effect across the world or specifically US. If it does, then a prolong recession is a sure thing.. If it can be contained within Euro countries, then the effect will go away quicker.

One thing I don't understand is why FF keep on selling down KLCI and Asia? Euro is sick at the moment, and US is in bad shape still. Where the money can go?? There are literally trillions of dollars floating around after QE... Cannot be everything inject into gold..  hmm.gif
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I pondered that question before. they could use the money to create more jobs for us citizen or invest in the economy. Since it's a bear market, I don't intend to buy anything yet, just sit back and watch how us and europe performs within the next two months. just observe the unemployment rate, earning growth, debt settlement/default, and other market data, and finally watch out for any sign of bull. oh boy can't wait. this bear makes me bored, cannot even short as the volume is low and thus not liquidable.
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Sep 20 2011, 12:40 AM)
My guess is they're back for bargain hunting at US/Europe?
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The problem is US and Europe markets also being sold down....
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QUOTE(mopster @ Sep 20 2011, 12:01 AM)
lol... need to put a link to this post.. else the same question will pop out every now and then...
what happens when greece default.. how are we affected by greece... etc ...
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haha! Good suggestion.

btw, glomac quarter will be out soon. I same like last year, will be 21sep.

This post has been edited by ngaisteve1: Sep 19 2011, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 19 2011, 11:48 PM)
If Greece goes default.. just close one eye and BUY during that big dip!
Seriously!  wink.gif
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Yes, you are so seriously true about this. I agreed.
But how to define big dig? Haha.. That is the million dollar question.

KLCI at 1000? 800? 500? 200?
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post Sep 19 2011, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 19 2011, 11:48 PM)
If Greece goes default.. just close one eye and BUY during that big dip!
Seriously!  wink.gif
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yes... i'm waiting for that moment!!! when greece defaults.. we're all set for a rebound.. cool2.gif
glad to share the same thoughts with sifus lol...


Added on September 19, 2011, 11:54 pm
QUOTE(lch78 @ Sep 19 2011, 11:36 PM)
Well, it is nice to see KLCI rallied from 900+ to 1500+, thanks to QE1+2.  biggrin.gif  Those who makes money and over-leverage will die, but those who make money and keep will survive..  nod.gif

I think Greece defaulting is just a matter of time. Germany already prepares for it, LKY already said something about it. Then the rest of the news we read, are just like lips service to buy time only for dunno what or who.. The question is whether this Greece defaults will cause even greater effect across the world or specifically US. If it does, then a prolong recession is a sure thing.. If it can be contained within Euro countries, then the effect will go away quicker.

One thing I don't understand is why FF keep on selling down KLCI and Asia? Euro is sick at the moment, and US is in bad shape still. Where the money can go?? There are literally trillions of dollars floating around after QE... Cannot be everything inject into gold..  hmm.gif
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AFAIK, KLSE is the most expensive compares to our regional peers..
jakarta, singapore, and Thai especially are all trading at lower price-earnings multiples tongue.gif
so... should ang moh run ? furthermore, singapore and thailand had their election.. what about M'sia ? tongue.gif laugh.gif

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post Sep 19 2011, 11:57 PM

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Haha evryone expect a big dip
We shall see

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post Sep 20 2011, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 19 2011, 11:52 PM)
Yes, you are so seriously true about this. I agreed.
But how to define big dig? Haha.. That is the million dollar question.

KLCI at 1000? 800? 500? 200?
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Good question. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Sep 19 2011, 11:57 PM)
Haha evryone expect a big dip
We shall see
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Yeah, we shall see.

Market place is filled with surprises.
When u look at North, it goes South.
When u look at South, it goes North.
Sometimes when u look at South, it goes all the way to the South Pole n exceed ur expectation.
While u still look at South wonder where it goes, actually it's at ur back and stab u from the back.

I remember some forummers say this before. Watch out, your wish may come true. It might reach the stage where you wish you never made that wish. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(lch78 @ Sep 19 2011, 11:36 PM)
Well, it is nice to see KLCI rallied from 900+ to 1500+, thanks to QE1+2.  biggrin.gif  Those who makes money and over-leverage will die, but those who make money and keep will survive..  nod.gif

I think Greece defaulting is just a matter of time. Germany already prepares for it, LKY already said something about it. Then the rest of the news we read, are just like lips service to buy time only for dunno what or who.. The question is whether this Greece defaults will cause even greater effect across the world or specifically US. If it does, then a prolong recession is a sure thing.. If it can be contained within Euro countries, then the effect will go away quicker.

One thing I don't understand is why FF keep on selling down KLCI and Asia? Euro is sick at the moment, and US is in bad shape still. Where the money can go?? There are literally trillions of dollars floating around after QE... Cannot be everything inject into gold..  hmm.gif
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There are plenty of cash sitting at sideline.

Just ask back yourself a quesiton.
When you know, market may turn ugly, may go down further due to potential defaulting happening, what will you do as fund managers?
1. Sell a portion and keep in cash.
2. Lock in profit (there are plenty of profit can be locked in for a lot of people).
3. Reduce exposure.

Do you know, money can evaporise when market goes down?
Trillions of money in paper suddenly disappear in the thin air.
Lot of money flock to treasuries, ain't we see 10 years plummeting to below 2%, from 3.x%?

If US and Euro economy turn ugly, Asia or Malaysia won't spare from it.
Just degree of effect is more and less.
See how GDP growth slowdown across Asia, when US and Europe start to register stalling growth figure.
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post Sep 20 2011, 12:15 AM

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We can gauge the strong dip by tracking the ADX movement. Since it is still staying below 25, the CI has actually not shown any sign of strong trend yet. Now it is considered sideway movement. If it begins upward and approaches 50, then the trend will rally downward if and only if DI+ follows downward movement.
Alex said that ADX is the last indicator left that has not flagged as a warning. Meaning all other indicators including SMA,EMA,MACD,RSI have shown their downward bias.

This post has been edited by primepeng: Sep 20 2011, 12:21 AM
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Moppy, do you really think Greece can even escape from being a bankrupt? Seems that whether they default or not is just a rhetorical question. hmm.gif


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gold price dropping when everyone is worrying for greece debt problem hmm.gif
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USD increased vs RM, Oil price hovering around $85+, Gold not moving up either, stagnant around $1800+.
Something doesn't look right..
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post Sep 20 2011, 12:49 AM

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check in as usual ...... but too late hor? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Superman7 @ Sep 20 2011, 12:42 AM)
USD increased vs RM, Oil price hovering around $85+, Gold not moving up either, stagnant around $1800+.
Something doesn't look right..
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i feel like this also but still noob to figure out the reason hmm.gif

please enlighten me superman gor notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Superman7 @ Sep 20 2011, 12:42 AM)
USD increased vs RM, Oil price hovering around $85+, Gold not moving up either, stagnant around $1800+.
Something doesn't look right..
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So who is going to fart first?
You or me?

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