greece.. quickly default plz... end our suffering~~
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STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V98, Celebrating KLCI breach 13xx point
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greece.. quickly default plz... end our suffering~~ This post has been edited by mopster: Sep 19 2011, 04:31 PM |
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Sep 19 2011, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(robinlim @ Sep 19 2011, 05:01 PM) I'm the one sry to hear that bro.. mind sharing what are the counters ?10/10 stocks all in loss now with some close to 50% Avg >20% in red For me no point to cut loss at this point of time I'll average down if downtrend continues and buy some BMWs at Proton's price market will rebound someday btw, checking in my biggest losers are KianJoo and Fajar.. |
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Sep 19 2011, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 19 2011, 10:23 PM) Greece default, never mind, bond holder lose out only. lol... need to put a link to this post.. else the same question will pop out every now and then...Who are the bond holders? Banks. Banks losing big money, and affect its liquidity and credibility and confidence is the biggest nightmare of economy. Economy cannot work without banks. Now, you see why I said before, we are seeing the disadvantage of globalisation, everything become inter-related. US banks can lend money to European banks. Money can be transferred from Euro to US and vice versa with a click of mouse. Globalisation, means you die, I also suffer, everyone is inter-related. Somebody did wrong thing, but you still need to bare the consequence, just the degree more and less. See how US QE1+2 aftermath, Asian countries across generally are struggling to contain the inflation pressure? Asian countries did nothing wrong, they are not venturing into RE bubble, they are not venturing into risky derivatives, exotic derivatives, they just work hard and save enough money for themselves. But we see foods price sky-rocketing, house price shoot to the moon, and many ordinary worker class are not able, even servicing a loan. If not globalisation, it is your matter, the degree of affect is not as great now. Don't get me wrong, I am not against globalisation, it has vast advantage, but it is not flawless. what happens when greece default.. how are we affected by greece... etc ... |
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 19 2011, 11:48 PM) yes... i'm waiting for that moment!!! when greece defaults.. we're all set for a rebound.. glad to share the same thoughts with sifus lol... Added on September 19, 2011, 11:54 pm QUOTE(lch78 @ Sep 19 2011, 11:36 PM) Well, it is nice to see KLCI rallied from 900+ to 1500+, thanks to QE1+2. AFAIK, KLSE is the most expensive compares to our regional peers..I think Greece defaulting is just a matter of time. Germany already prepares for it, LKY already said something about it. Then the rest of the news we read, are just like lips service to buy time only for dunno what or who.. The question is whether this Greece defaults will cause even greater effect across the world or specifically US. If it does, then a prolong recession is a sure thing.. If it can be contained within Euro countries, then the effect will go away quicker. One thing I don't understand is why FF keep on selling down KLCI and Asia? Euro is sick at the moment, and US is in bad shape still. Where the money can go?? There are literally trillions of dollars floating around after QE... Cannot be everything inject into gold.. jakarta, singapore, and Thai especially are all trading at lower price-earnings multiples so... should ang moh run ? furthermore, singapore and thailand had their election.. what about M'sia ? This post has been edited by mopster: Sep 19 2011, 11:54 PM |
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nope.. i sold maybulk some time back.. around 2.7x @skidd It's not a sure thing that Greece will default but they are trying the 'impossible' to not default if they continue to live on Euro dollar. The austerity measure is not practical in the long run and it wont be enough to payback anything including interests. Global slowdown, high unemployment, social unrest and lack of political will only make things worse. Greece can stay in the EU but use their own currency, just like Poland and other EU members. They can survive until Jan 2012 IFF they get the next tranche of 8B Euro bail out money. There'll be a meeting on Oct 3rd to decide on that money IIRC. If i'm not wrong, Greece has done close to nothing since the Austerity bill was passed. -- sigh.. i'm dead before index hits 1300.. This post has been edited by mopster: Sep 20 2011, 11:53 AM |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 20 2011, 12:28 PM) These two bukan sudah mao privatize ka. it's not a recommendation to buy... in fact i need stress to u "not to buy hupseng"!! it never moves!!!! good day, bad day... it is forever stagnant...I like Hupseng recommended by moppy. tecnic is good.. but i think u sold.. LOL horrible cash flow.. but somehow the company is thriving This post has been edited by mopster: Sep 20 2011, 12:39 PM |
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 20 2011, 01:07 PM) Pbbank doesn't fall as much as the others. (approx -8% only) Hlbank should rest for a few years until QLC goes shopping again... HLFG/HLB DY sucks =/However, Pbbank doesn't cheong like other banks neither when market was bullish. Try comparing HLFG & PBBANK, then you'll know who is the most resilience. be cautious with Maybulk.. safer to buy if it's below NAV... -- Plz let Greece default.. dont give them the 8B. Even if they are given the 8B bail out money, they will come back in December and ask for more. Mkt will fall and the whole default issue will come back and haunt the world.. This post has been edited by mopster: Sep 20 2011, 01:18 PM |
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QUOTE(flamestudio @ Sep 20 2011, 02:14 PM) cooked, served, dined, now waiting to XXXX QUOTE UNCONDITIONAL TAKE-OVER OFFER BY PM SECURITIES SDN BHD ON BEHALF OF SOO LAY HOLDINGS SDN BHD, NORCROSS LIMITED AND CHERUBIM INVESTMENT (HK) LIMITED (COLLECTIVELY REFERRED TO AS THE “JOINT OFFERORS”) TO ACQUIRE ALL THE REMAINING ORDINARY SHARES OF RM0.05 EACH IN PMI (“PMI SHARES”) NOT ALREADY HELD BY THE JOINT OFFERORS (“OFFER SHARES”) FOR A CASH CONSIDERATION OF RM0.045 PER OFFER SHARE. |
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so boring... should just sell everything and do work..
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QUOTE(simonc @ Sep 20 2011, 03:46 PM) I want to puke looking at angmoh markets... Green after Italy downgrade.. Dont u wish Greece default ? Global mkts will rally big time!!! --------- Dielog broke below 200SMA... starting of a downtrend i guess.. i dun think the RI will be successful anymore unless the Boss and EPF make public statements that they will fully subscribe the RI. |
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QUOTE(bursalchemy @ Sep 20 2011, 04:13 PM) I'm a Sunway holder.. hate to say this... but it's hit by less optimistic properties sales, new construction orders, lack of dividend policy.. valuation wise it can definitely go cheaper... now is about fair with a little discount.. u want a good deal ? maybe errr <Rm1.50 ? (hentam figure) oh Gosh.. why am I still holding ? Jeff!! dont dissappoint us minor shareholders >_<" |
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Sep 20 2011, 04:21 PM) lol... got upmarket buyers one~~~me ikan bilis cannot sure cannot afford lar.. but i know ppl with 2-3 units of sunway vivaldi QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 20 2011, 04:22 PM) moppy, nowadays I avoid counter with bonus issues. yah... only counters that did BI in 2010 did well.. all 2011 BI went holland~~ Which is also part of the reason why I sold Mflour, no doubt it is an essential thing in our daily life, but I hate seeing the price being beaten down due to post-BI syndrome. I bet those who bought Paramon before the bonus issue would agree with me. This post has been edited by mopster: Sep 20 2011, 04:26 PM |
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 20 2011, 04:25 PM) that bad meh? it's 2.5 billion company trading at PE 7x, quite cheap isn't it? have to price in all the Europe, US, circus show la...i think it's more defensive than pure property company since it's also a large construction company, so that will benefit from ETP. besides, its exposure in china and singapore can grow good fruits in long term....yeah, long term especially china. i also hated that it doesn't come out divvi policy. although it's not fair to judge that since most property/construction companies don't have such policy either. FA wise, Sunway is ok. Although there's no divvy policy, but i believe there should be at least 2%/3% from him.. (a bit chinaman style) Jeff shared his experience and what he'd been through since he started his mining company during Suncity AGM. He sounds like a genuine businessman to me. (hope he is not a wolf in sheep skin.. Currently, Jeff holds > 45% of Sunway shares, Singapore GIC another 12.5%.. together already 57.5%. He bought more from open mkt recently instead of disposing. All these little factors gave me confidence and I decided to hold.. anything good or bad to share ? This post has been edited by mopster: Sep 20 2011, 04:41 PM |
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Sep 20 2011, 04:44 PM) you have not experience the worse matter when SunCity having financial difficulties during 97/98, my parent are proud holding it from 90's till now yah yah~~ Jeff also mentioned 97/98.. Sunway is him, he is sunway.. I believe he will take care of it.. Like Pana signature, be patient |
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