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low blow personal attacks? did i call others being blindly stupid?

And cant be bothered? yet still replying to me?

my point is simple, as a supporter there are better ways to support the player than to ask those less-than-awesome ones to be sold. Put yourself in Carrick's shoes for example. He is being a good professional, turning up to training day and night, doesnt even go out clubbing and jeoperdize his career, and giving his all for the club, even though understanding he probably isnt the best CM in the team. He doesnt complain, he plays when asked and sits on the bench if it has to be because it is for the best of the club, as deemed by SAF. Now if you are him, and then finds out fans are asking for him to be sold just because he isnt like Robbo or Keano, how would you feel?

Berba is even awesomer. Dropped for the UCL final FFS! IF that had been any other "mega million" player he would have packed his bag that very night! But he decided to stay on and fight for his place, even when probably down to 4th in the pecking order in the striker's department. Yet when needed to play for the last 5 minutes, he comes in. But i guess that doesnt matter because he doesnt perform too well, so can sell him for a bit of a cash.

What we need now is squad depth. Selling these players wont do any good. What, gonna buy Schweinsteiger with that money? So what if we can get Schweinsteiger? then Cleverley would sit on the bench wouldnt him? then he wont reach his full potential. If that happens then fans would say "oh he isnt improving enough, wont be a top player. Why not sell him?" It's a vicious cycle wouldnt it? When will it stop?

Did i once asked anybody to stop supporting the club? On the contrary i acknowledge that he is a supporter, and as a supporter there are better attitude towards the team. think of their contribution to the team as a whole, on-field and off-field, not just the 90 minutes he played on Tuesday. Thus my comment "if you deem yourself as a supporter, then SUPPORT instead of demanding to be satisfied". Did i ask anyone to support other clubs? or get lost from this forum? And like you said this is a public forum. If you want to post about selling players, then be prepared for replies that you probably wont like. Just like i have anticipated replies to mine, which i know is along the lines of what you just said: denying other's right to post etc.

restricting other's rights to post in this forum would be to ask a mod to delete any posts that i disagree with. Just countering an argument now becomes a restriction as well? I do not try to hide posts that i dont like, i do not try to get those i disagree with to be banned. Instead i reply to them head on, i can be sarcastic if i want but i chose to type out long windy and annoying posts. Or is that a restriction now?

in any case, i'll stop. Pretty sure others are tired of this too. But if they have their own opinion and would like to share (instead of 2 keyboard warriors b****slapping each other), then feel free coz like all of you said, this is a free forum.

Maybe i'll continue with sarcasm after this. at most sarcasmn will get warnings from mod only, if i reply full walls of text i'm deemed to be a forum Nazi.

Hehehe how to fix that? Didn't realize it is whitebox

Just to add something about squad depth. IMHO, we have too many forwards at the moment. Diouf, Macheda, Berba plus 3 key players which is Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. No, I am not saying Berba should be sold. Just that I am not sure what the future like especially Diouf and Berba.

On Carrick, we should keep him but only as backup.

instead of putting the whole link into the [ youtube] tag, you need to extract the red part of a link. For example:

http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v= 1mq5MNhShko

need to copy the part after the "v=" and put it into the youtube tag, only then it will work.
I'll be honest, i dont know as well. Striker's abundance i noticed since last season already. When Bebe was bought (and his original position is a forward) i was like "another striker?" But he was used as a winger instead. But so far everyone knows their role, so as long as nobody is getting unsettled, too much isnt a problem i guess. For example early on this season we have plenty of defenders, some even questioned buying Jones coz he might potentially cause Smalling a spot in the team. We have Evra, Vidic, Rio, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Jone, Evans and before they were sold, Oshea and Brown. 10 players for 4 spots, before the duo moved to Sunderland. But from the 8, 2 is confirmed out and 3 potentially as well, leaving us with Evra, Rio and Jones. Might even see Valencia fill RB again. Rio himself also probably not fully fit. But yeah this is an example of how deep your squad is, can be stretched to the brink. Thus more is better than less, as long as the players doesnt complain.

If you can't respect that different people's opinion and respect their opinion irregardless of your own selfish ones how can you even call yourself a human being?

Just to add something about squad depth. IMHO, we have too many forwards at the moment. Diouf, Macheda, Berba plus 3 key players which is Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. No, I am not saying Berba should be sold. Just that I am not sure what the future like especially Diouf and Berba.

On Carrick, we should keep him but only as backup.

to understand carrick contribution to the squad u really need to understand his role and style of play. carrick always been a holding CM with more defensive mindset.

he help us kept the ball and pass around for others to move forward and do the attack while refrain opposition to attack. that his strength and i think clearly that is the reason why SAF playing him. he also hv shown good determination and high workrate ready to support other player when we defense or attack. carrick dont shine coz he always been just a link between forward player and defence player. as an attacking side that tend to do fast attack we need this sort of player to stay at the middle and provide link when needed. carrick rarely lost the ball so its good to hv this sort of player to play the role.

he played many games for us all this years and aint we hv been doing good lately. since he came he hv provide more stabillty to the squad. giving other chance to move and run freely forward. then of coz SAF kept playing him so if its so hard to support or like him just trust SAF judgement..

We definately need Carrick,especially now that Scholes retired,Cleverley and Ando still improving,we really need someone with experience to control our midfield,just because he had one bad game,no need la take down his head,have faith on the players and SAF,these people had done it for years or even dacades,and they know what's best for the club,we as the supporters should really get behind their back and support them. Glory glory Man Utd.

I'll probably get slammed for this but I'm being extremely honest here and I've never liked Carrick or even Berbatov when they joined Man Utd. I've been supporting Man Utd since 1991 and I feel that the both of them are definitely not up to the standard that I'm used to.

Gone are the days when we had players like Bryan Robson, Paul Ince and Roy Keane manning the midfield for us. Their energy and presence in midfield was superb. I'm glad Fletcher has proved his critics wrong in the past few seasons. I remember when he first started out, I kept telling my dad that I don't understand why SAF plays him on the right wing when he can't cross. On the other hand, he's always seemed pretty solid in the middle. It's great that Fletcher has shown up to be a commanding midfielder for us. Carrick is just too 1 dimensional and passive for my liking. His passes are usually sideways or backwards. While I agree that he controls the tempo of the game, I would say he controls it in a negative manner. He slows down the game a little too much. He doesn't tackle well to be a defensive midfielder, he doesn't bring the ball up to be the link between defense and offense and he doesn't have the creativity that Xavi and Iniesta has to excel in that midfield role.

As for Berbatov, I've always felt that he's not a great striker in the mold of the legends we've had in recent times like Ruud, Yorke and Ole. I think that his first touches are world class but he's not the kind of player that fits into our usual tactics. Perhaps he's more in the mold of Sheringham but I've never been a fan of him either. That's the reason why I'm a huge supporter of the Rooney and Chicharito combo. It reminds me of the ever successful Yorkie and Cole combo but an upgrade to that. Chicharito has also shown that he has the poacher's mentality that we've missed with Ruud and Ole. Even when Berbatov had a great season last year, I was still hoping that SAF would sell him because he'll be priced the highest after such a good season.

In the end, they are both decent players in their own right. But I just personally feel that they are overrated and overly expensive. £18 million and £30.75 million for the both of them is stretching it.

at least we can see he really tried not to "back-pass" nowadays after being booed by the OT fans, and scolded by Evans lol...but adjusting his style needs time, so give him a break guys...against Basel we can see he starts to venture forward, and hitting his passes nicely

Only now come out and state that? Where the heck have you guys been? Stuck under the trophy cabinet at OT ar so you guys can't complain much?

Again with the price tags? Can we just let it go and judge them on what they actually do on the pitch and not what they cost? Of course they are gonna be expensive coming from another one of the rich English teams. That's normal. Plus with Carrick being English, can add 3-5m easily to his original cost. Lescott went for something like 25m. And he's just a decent defender.

As good as Ince and Keane was, only Keane went on to win the CL.. and only got the chance once in the final. Any other season we fell short in Europe. With Carrick being first choice, we went on to the final 3 times and won it once. Now that doesn't mean he's a better player. I'd say he's not a patch on Keane, obviously. While Ince was very good for us in those days, I would say Carrick have perform just as well if not better in his own quiet and efficient ways.

As for Berbatov.. probably his style doesn't quite suit the make up of our team, and the price tag weigh heavily on his shoulder, but he's been good for us. He's quite a strange one. He has the build to be a #9, but his mentality and ability is more towards someone who plays behind one. He still have his uses for us. For one, he doesn't complain unlike that Argie cancer that thank god SAF got rid off. And we know what his ability is. Just hope we don't play him alone upfront though. He's just shit at it.

As for overrated.. nobody ever rate Carrick as the best midfielders around, ever. We know he's a good/very good midfielder who's been very effective and important in our most glorious stretch in the club's history. 4 EPL titles, 1 CL(+2 finals) in 5 years. He's been very important since he's a regular in every season for us. As for Berbatov.. look up his goals+assists stats since he's been in EPL and compare it to the other top players in the league during that time. He would be around the top..

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Added on September 30, 2011, 2:15 pmCan't really blame him for that 'back' pass. While Evans and Jones can see the play ahead of them, Carrick was facing our own end.. and being experienced, he played the safe pass back. While it's frustrating sometimes, but we can't expect the guys to have a radar like view like we do at home. huhu.

Just to add something about squad depth. IMHO, we have too many forwards at the moment. Diouf, Macheda, Berba plus 3 key players which is Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. No, I am not saying Berba should be sold. Just that I am not sure what the future like especially Diouf and Berba.

On Carrick, we should keep him but only as backup.

but at least we can see he's trying not to do so now, but then again, he was accused of "leaving defenders unprotected"....  

rule of thumb-->Carrick can never win

Rooney-Chicha is the preferred choice ATM I guess. Welbeck's early form surely elevates him from the rest. Owen is our supersub. While Berba is last season's league top scorer. Those are the main ones. The other two still too early to be playing in the team. Macheda too young and immature. While Diouf.. not sure what to make of him. I guess he's just unlucky. Good player, but came at the same time as Hernandez, and he loses out. Just wasn't meant to work it with us maybe. Can't see him stay too long. Surprised nobody wanted him and Macheda on loan at least.

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Added on September 30, 2011, 2:23 pmNobody blame Evra, Fabio, Rio and Jones ar? And did Carrick played alone in midfield?

i cant agree more...carrick is that type of player n individual...but as for me...he has not doing it well enuf...actually he has a lot more to offer...i familiar to this kind of position cos i play his role for my team a lot...n i look to his kind of player in the position to learn from...for me...

IMHO...to protect the back 4...u need to win ball early up in the field...but when we caught on counter attack...he shud stop opposition in the center of the park rather than wait for the opponent get in our final third 30 yards area...yes he can hold the opponent off till the penalty box if there is no CB behind him...this is especially when we get counter from corner kick...but in normal build up game...from what i see...he will check up on his opponent around rather than put in a chalenge...for me...its better u charged down the opponent rather than let him move around look for a gap to make a pass or shoot...bcos ur CB is behind u...IMHO...our young phil jones hav mastered this art of defence...the timing to stop the opponent from get forward...whats more...it will make the defence line crowded n confuse whos gonna put in the chalenge to stop them...so...i think he shud setel his work in his area...n defence do their work in their area...if the opponent still skip pass the chelenge...then u can give a hand to the defender...like wise the defen...if the opponent skip pass carrick in the middle...defender shud be ready to step in for the 2nd chalenge while carrick cover his back 4 position...

i hav nothing against any player...they r their own type...but there is always room for improvement...every game is different...football is changing everytime...the opponent is different everytime...sometimes...its better just to hold the opposition rather make chalenge...if their striker is static n not making run...but for me...im as a player in that position...i wont wait for the opposition come to me n invite him in...i will attack him to get the ball...pressure him to make mistake...force him back to their own half if i cant get the ball...

well...im my own player...its just my 2 cent...glory glory...

at least we can see he really tried not to "back-pass" nowadays after being booed by the OT fans, and scolded by Evans lol...but adjusting his style needs time, so give him a break guys...against Basel we can see he starts to venture forward, and hitting his passes nicely

I think that's because you prefer a high pressing game.

Man United have rarely played a high pressing game like Barca. United tend to press only in their own half which explains why Carrick doesn't press higher. He normally falls back to cut out passes unless he is sure it is safe to press.
In the first two seasons when Carrick came, he was more of an open, box to box kinda player. Those days, we played an open 4-4-2 with both Scholes and Carrick interchanging moving box to box.

However, in the last 3 seasons, he has changed to a more defensive role. This was when we started the 4-3-2-1 and then after that, the 4-3-3/4-5-1 experiments, where Carrick played as the last midfielder. Lots of people questioned why Carrick never moved forward. To me, the answer is clear as daylight. The need for gaining and retaining possession is very important these days and Carrick was used for this. That's why he is always so defensive.

Last season, we tried to revert to 4-4-2, but still maintain that possession football by having Rooney fall back and Park and Valencia tucking in from the wings and one of the central midfielders staying back. This was normally Carrick. His role until last season was so defensive that he was like a 3rd centerback. I've seen him take the ball, bring it to the half way line, short pass it to Anderson, turn around to run back and position himself again in front of the box.

This season, things have changed again with the start of SAF's latest 5 year renewal plan. We've gone back to the open 4-4-2 with less emphasis on possession and more emphasis on attacking at a high tempo. The team now has more variety in attack because instead of total dependance on wing play, the team also plays nice short triangle passing through the middle as well. This, reminds me of the old 4-4-2 that we used to play 5 years ago. With this in mind, I can see that Carrick now also plays a more open game. Unfortunately, at the age of 30, I wonder if Carrick can still produce the same kind of performances he used to perform with Scholes 5 years ago.