yum! strong rebound.
US stock discussion v4, Bulls-Bears HUAT AH!! Pigs get slaughter
US stock discussion v4, Bulls-Bears HUAT AH!! Pigs get slaughter
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Jun 6 2013, 10:03 PM
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yum! strong rebound.
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Jun 6 2013, 10:17 PM
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i think now short covering...
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Jun 6 2013, 10:55 PM
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Jun 6 2013, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 6 2013, 09:57 PM) Funny thing is, this morning Asian market opened green and then turns red later. Maybe not red too much, I think the US market will take off some the green and stay flat or so becauseThen, Euro market opened green and turns red til now. Now, US market opened green also. So....repeat same style? investors don't want to bet too much on either side when the big job numbers coming out tomorrow. Tomorrow, the market will move big. I bet downside. |
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Jun 7 2013, 02:30 AM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 6 2013, 11:32 PM) Maybe not red too much, I think the US market will take off some the green and stay flat or so because you are right, flat.investors don't want to bet too much on either side when the big job numbers coming out tomorrow. Tomorrow, the market will move big. I bet downside. so you think tomorrow's number should be bad? |
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Jun 7 2013, 03:37 AM
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strong bull....impressive.
bears are just too weak. looks like investors don't even care about tomorrow's number. they just buy on dips. This post has been edited by yok70: Jun 7 2013, 03:37 AM |
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Jun 7 2013, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:37 AM) strong bull....impressive. It's not too much, some didn't want to be left out. bears are just too weak. looks like investors don't even care about tomorrow's number. they just buy on dips. But, I took some off and ready to plow into bear side tomorrow. So, I hoping for a really good job numbers, and we'll sell off to ride this down. Good numbers, sell. Bad numbers, buy. This post has been edited by danmooncake: Jun 7 2013, 07:57 AM |
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Jun 7 2013, 09:07 AM
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What a reversal
I guess that is the temporary bottom Now melt up will resume |
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Jun 7 2013, 09:15 AM
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Jun 7 2013, 12:16 PM
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DamoonCake, Can you tell me what is the average yield for Vanguard each year? When I check on yahoo it was 2.7%. What is the actual dividend yield can you educate me on that?
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Jun 7 2013, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 12:16 PM) DamoonCake, Can you tell me what is the average yield for Vanguard each year? When I check on yahoo it was 2.7%. What is the actual dividend yield can you educate me on that? It depends on which one. Vanguard gots lots of funds. Different funds, different yield. For the one that you were chatting with Dreamer, VWELX (Wellington),at its current price 37, it is yielding 2.69%. Yahoo is correct. Others... VBTLX = 2.57% VTSAX = 2.00% VFWAX = 3.21% VTSAX = 2% |
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Jun 7 2013, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 03:21 PM) It depends on which one. Vanguard gots lots of funds. Different funds, different yield. For the one that you were chatting with Dreamer, VWELX (Wellington), But that isn't fantastic right. Many stocks give better yield. So why would you buy this one.at its current price 37, it is yielding 2.69%. Yahoo is correct. Others... VBTLX = 2.57% VTSAX = 2.00% VFWAX = 3.21% VTSAX = 2% |
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Jun 7 2013, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:30 PM) It's diversification and less risky than just one stock. This type of ETF got a fund manager that manage it and their cost is low.They tend to match or outperform the general market. Yes, there are stocks that got better yield .. 5%, 6% and some of them even as high as 15%.. but they tend to be volatile and if earnings drop, all divi are cut, price goes down at same time. Unless you're a good stock picker (and know the company business inside out), this may be a less risky way to invest. |
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Jun 7 2013, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 03:38 PM) It's diversification and less risky than just one stock. This type of ETF got a fund manager that manage it and their cost is low. I know. Of course 15% is too much. But 5-7 % is good. Even say 3-4%. Those kind of yields are no problem for companies with good fundamentals. Yields are important not just because of returns but because it proofs that the management is at least good enough to provide a net return. Correct me if I am wrong. 2% is below inflation rate I think. Banks over here can even give 3%.They tend to match or outperform the general market. Yes, there are stocks that got better yield .. 5%, 6% and some of them even as high as 15%.. but they tend to be volatile and if earnings drop, all divi are cut, price goes down at same time. Unless you're a good stock picker (and know the company business inside out), this may be a less risky way to invest. And I disagree with the cost averaging strategy. You want to buy a stock that can give you the best value. You do not want to buy a stock that is already overvalued. Cost Averaging may apply if the stock price is going down and you feel that the stock price should be higher then what it should be but it would be suicide to buy a stock that is already high in price. This post has been edited by sylar111: Jun 7 2013, 03:48 PM |
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Jun 7 2013, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:46 PM) I know. Of course 15% is too much. But 5-7 % is good. Even say 3-4%. Those kind of yields are no problem for companies with good fundamentals. Yields are important not just because of inflation but because it proofs that the management is at least good enough to provide a net return. Correct me if I am wrong. 2% is below inflation rate I think. Banks over here can even give 3%. It depends which country lah.. 2% is just right in US because it is better than Treasury (1%). US inflation also low.But, in Malaysia, yeah 2% is consider low. Malaysia inter-bank loan rate also higher and as does inflation. If you can find companies with good fundamentals with 4%-5% yield and can consistently deliver good earnings - that's good. Business environment also change over time.. so don't just rely one type of company or one sector only when investing. |
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Jun 7 2013, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 07:56 AM) It's not too much, some didn't want to be left out. it will be announced before market start right? But, I took some off and ready to plow into bear side tomorrow. So, I hoping for a really good job numbers, and we'll sell off to ride this down. Good numbers, sell. Bad numbers, buy. |
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Jun 7 2013, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 03:53 PM) It depends which country lah.. 2% is just right in US because it is better than Treasury (1%). US inflation also low. You feel that Vanguard is outperforming the Dow Jones Market?But, in Malaysia, yeah 2% is consider low. Malaysia inter-bank loan rate also higher and as does inflation. If you can find companies with good fundamentals with 4%-5% yield and can consistently deliver good earnings - that's good. Business environment also change over time.. so don't just rely one type of company or one sector only when investing. |
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Jun 7 2013, 04:17 PM
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Jun 7 2013, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 04:11 PM) I think some of them are.. but some of them aren't. It depends on which one.You can compare them at Yahoo for 12 months, 24 months and 5 years too. Also, past performances doesn't always mean future will be the same. Some of these funds, you have to look deeper to see what inside. It takes time to do the research. This post has been edited by danmooncake: Jun 7 2013, 04:19 PM |
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Jun 7 2013, 04:53 PM
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Just out of curiosity. Which trading platform are you guys using?How much does it cost per trade. Thanks
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