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 US stock discussion v4, Bulls-Bears HUAT AH!! Pigs get slaughter

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post Jun 6 2013, 10:03 PM

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yum! strong rebound. hmm.gif
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post Jun 6 2013, 10:17 PM

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i think now short covering...
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 6 2013, 09:57 PM)
Funny thing is, this morning Asian market opened green and then turns red later.
Then, Euro market opened green and turns red til now.
Now, US market opened green also. So....repeat same style?  biggrin.gif
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Good observation man..
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post Jun 6 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 6 2013, 09:57 PM)
Funny thing is, this morning Asian market opened green and then turns red later.
Then, Euro market opened green and turns red til now.
Now, US market opened green also. So....repeat same style?  biggrin.gif
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Maybe not red too much, I think the US market will take off some the green and stay flat or so because
investors don't want to bet too much on either side when the big job numbers coming out tomorrow.

Tomorrow, the market will move big. I bet downside. laugh.gif
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post Jun 7 2013, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 6 2013, 11:32 PM)
Maybe not red too much, I think the US market will take off some the green and stay flat or so because
investors don't want to bet too much on either side when the big job numbers coming out tomorrow.

Tomorrow, the market will move big. I bet downside.  laugh.gif
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you are right, flat.
so you think tomorrow's number should be bad? laugh.gif
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post Jun 7 2013, 03:37 AM

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strong bull....impressive.
bears are just too weak.
looks like investors don't even care about tomorrow's number. they just buy on dips. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:37 AM)
strong bull....impressive.
bears are just too weak.
looks like investors don't even care about tomorrow's number. they just buy on dips.   hmm.gif
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It's not too much, some didn't want to be left out.

But, I took some off and ready to plow into bear side tomorrow.
So, I hoping for a really good job numbers, and we'll sell off to ride this down. brows.gif

Good numbers, sell.
Bad numbers, buy. wink.gif

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post Jun 7 2013, 09:07 AM

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What a reversal

I guess that is the temporary bottom

Now melt up will resume smile.gif


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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 07:56 AM)

Good numbers, sell.
Bad numbers, buy.    wink.gif
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Good Number ==> Money Printing Taper / Reducing.
Bad Number ==> Continue the Money Printing .
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post Jun 7 2013, 12:16 PM

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DamoonCake, Can you tell me what is the average yield for Vanguard each year? When I check on yahoo it was 2.7%. What is the actual dividend yield can you educate me on that?
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 12:16 PM)
DamoonCake, Can you tell me what is the average yield for Vanguard each year? When I check on yahoo it was 2.7%. What is the actual dividend yield can you educate me on that?
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It depends on which one. Vanguard gots lots of funds. Different funds, different yield. For the one that you were chatting with Dreamer, VWELX (Wellington),
at its current price 37, it is yielding 2.69%. Yahoo is correct.

Others...

VBTLX = 2.57%
VTSAX = 2.00%
VFWAX = 3.21%
VTSAX = 2%







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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 03:21 PM)
It depends on which one. Vanguard gots lots of funds. Different funds, different yield. For the one that you were chatting with Dreamer, VWELX (Wellington),
at its current price 37, it is yielding 2.69%.  Yahoo is correct.

Others...

VBTLX  = 2.57%
VTSAX  = 2.00%
VFWAX  = 3.21%
VTSAX  = 2%
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But that isn't fantastic right. Many stocks give better yield. So why would you buy this one.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:30 PM)
But that isn't fantastic right. Many stocks give better yield. So why would you buy this one.
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It's diversification and less risky than just one stock. This type of ETF got a fund manager that manage it and their cost is low.
They tend to match or outperform the general market.

Yes, there are stocks that got better yield .. 5%, 6% and some of them even as high as 15%.. but they tend to be volatile
and if earnings drop, all divi are cut, price goes down at same time. Unless you're a good stock picker (and know the company business inside out),
this may be a less risky way to invest. nod.gif




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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 03:38 PM)
It's diversification and less risky than just one stock. This type of ETF got a fund manager that manage it and their cost is low.
They tend to match or outperform the general market.

Yes, there are stocks that got better yield .. 5%, 6% and some of them even as high as 15%.. but they tend to be volatile
and if earnings drop, all divi are cut, price goes down at same time. Unless you're a good stock picker (and know the company business inside out),
this may be a less risky way to invest.  nod.gif
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I know. Of course 15% is too much. But 5-7 % is good. Even say 3-4%. Those kind of yields are no problem for companies with good fundamentals. Yields are important not just because of returns but because it proofs that the management is at least good enough to provide a net return. Correct me if I am wrong. 2% is below inflation rate I think. Banks over here can even give 3%.

And I disagree with the cost averaging strategy. You want to buy a stock that can give you the best value. You do not want to buy a stock that is already overvalued. Cost Averaging may apply if the stock price is going down and you feel that the stock price should be higher then what it should be but it would be suicide to buy a stock that is already high in price.

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:46 PM)
I know. Of course 15% is too much. But 5-7 % is good. Even say 3-4%. Those kind of yields are no problem for companies with good fundamentals. Yields are important not just because of inflation but because it proofs that the management is at least good enough to provide a net return. Correct me if I am wrong. 2% is below inflation rate I think. Banks over here can even give 3%.
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It depends which country lah.. 2% is just right in US because it is better than Treasury (1%). US inflation also low.
But, in Malaysia, yeah 2% is consider low. Malaysia inter-bank loan rate also higher and as does inflation.

If you can find companies with good fundamentals with 4%-5% yield and can consistently deliver good earnings - that's good.
Business environment also change over time.. so don't just rely one type of company or one sector only when investing.
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 07:56 AM)
It's not too much, some didn't want to be left out.

But, I took some off and ready to plow into bear side tomorrow.
So, I hoping for a really good job numbers, and we'll sell off to ride this down. brows.gif

Good numbers, sell.
Bad numbers, buy.    wink.gif
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it will be announced before market start right? drool.gif
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 7 2013, 03:53 PM)
It depends which country lah.. 2% is just right in US because it is better than Treasury (1%). US inflation also low.
But, in Malaysia, yeah 2% is consider low. Malaysia inter-bank loan rate also higher and as does inflation.

If you can find companies with good fundamentals with 4%-5% yield and can consistently deliver good earnings - that's good.
Business environment also change over time.. so don't just rely one type of company or one sector only when investing.
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You feel that Vanguard is outperforming the Dow Jones Market?
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jun 7 2013, 04:03 PM)
it will be announced before market start right?  drool.gif
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Yes, it is 8:30pm Malaysia time tonight...

Looking for 200,000 jobs private sector or another downwards tick in revision of UE.


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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jun 7 2013, 04:11 PM)
You feel that Vanguard is outperforming the Dow Jones Market?
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I think some of them are.. but some of them aren't. It depends on which one.
You can compare them at Yahoo for 12 months, 24 months and 5 years too.

Also, past performances doesn't always mean future will be the same.

Some of these funds, you have to look deeper to see what inside.
It takes time to do the research.

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Just out of curiosity. Which trading platform are you guys using?How much does it cost per trade. Thanks

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