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post Oct 22 2011, 08:13 PM

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normally what platform to use when trading US market? I try not to go through the local bank due to their high commission charges. How abt go straight to their market...currently using CIMB with 0.4% brokerage.

Any ideas all sifu out there?
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post Oct 22 2011, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 22 2011, 08:52 PM)
you mean cimb's itrade can trade US market with only 0.4% brokerage fees? that's quite cheap is it?  notworthy.gif
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Assuming sell price is not much differ from purchase price, thus the in and out will cost around 0.4% x 2 = 0.8% or minimum $25 bucks, another 0.3% will be clearance charges. I'll hv to wait till the share rose minimum 2.1% to have a safe flipping with 1% gain.

Read a few forumers' post, they are shorting the shares, local bank giving US market trading services allow shorting? how?

I found certain online portal which charges low brokerage fees, lower than that of CIMB $25 and is per contract rather than percentage of value traded. Easy for me to flip if flat rate is applied.

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post Oct 22 2011, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(simonc @ Oct 22 2011, 10:12 PM)
I think you TT the $$$ to US brokers and trade is better than letting CIMB earn your "currency conversion" at a premium smile.gif

DMC (danmooncake) mentions before he uses TD Ameritrade, OptionExpress, ScottTradeOption First and MBTrading.
Best you ask the man himself.
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tks for your reply....currently awaiting reply from TradeKing, OptionXpress of international trader participation. Not all accept foreigner traders. Optionshouse - the best not for foreigners sad.gif.

Thus far only OptionXpress provides the best brokerage fees for foreigners:

http://www.brokerage-review.com/rankings/b...l-investor.aspx

Will send an inquiry to Ameritrade and MB Trading - tks for the leads.


Added on October 22, 2011, 11:23 pm
QUOTE(danmooncake @ Oct 22 2011, 10:57 PM)
I use US brokers directly (ScottTradeOptionFirst, OptionExpress, TD Ameritrade, and MBTrading). Many of them are online and you can apply directly and submit your documentation later by mail. I kept all my trading currency in USD, so no conversion needed and I don't plan to repatriate my money unless necessarily need them (like big purchase, future retirement, etc....).

I'm active trader and I can't depend on local banks/remisier to do the transaction for me. By the time you let them execute your
trade, the price action would already made its move. Split second decisions, no second guess. Besides my late evening work allows me the flexibility to trade with US timezone.  wink.gif
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tks for your reply, I'm curious ScottTrade has replied, they doesn't accept international investors....sad.gif. How do you open with them? r u their PR or etc?

Normally local banks provide a multi-currency account for us to trade in the desired currency. No conversion loss, only from initial amount and only investors decide to convert back to RM to use, but still very irritating if there is a contra gain, they will force you to convert back to RM instead of US. Worst still, should there be any dividend declared, there will charge you RM50 for that and force you again to convert back to RM sad.gif....

so now, I'll hv to use direct broker to deal with it. Bye-bye CIMB.


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QUOTE(countdown @ Oct 22 2011, 11:11 PM)
tks for your reply....currently awaiting reply from TradeKing, OptionXpress of international trader participation. Not all accept foreigner traders. Optionshouse - the best not for foreigners sad.gif.

Thus far only OptionXpress provides the best brokerage fees for foreigners:

http://www.brokerage-review.com/rankings/b...l-investor.aspx

Will send an inquiry to Ameritrade and MB Trading - tks for the leads.


Added on October 22, 2011, 11:23 pm

tks for your reply, I'm curious ScottTrade has replied, they doesn't accept international investors....sad.gif. How do you open with them? r u their PR or etc?

Normally local banks provide a multi-currency account for us to trade in the desired currency. No conversion loss, only from initial amount and only investors decide to convert back to RM to use, but still very irritating if there is a contra gain, they will force you to convert back to RM instead of US. Worst still, should there be any dividend declared, there will charge you RM50 for that and force you again to convert back to RM sad.gif....

so now, I'll hv to use direct broker to deal with it. Bye-bye CIMB.
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Good website for comparison!!
http://www.stockbrokers.com/compare/mbtrad...s-optionsxpress

Best for international investors i.e. like us to trade in US:
http://www.stockbrokers.com/reviews/internationaltrading

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post Oct 22 2011, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 22 2011, 11:37 PM)
Is Ameritrade flat rate at USD9.99/stock regardless of how many shares and how many orders per day? Is it for foreigners?  notworthy.gif
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TD Ameritrade brokerage fees explained:
http://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing.html

Go to this webpage to know better of the charges, following link is MB Trading:
http://stockbrokers.mbtrading.com/commissi...spx?page=Stocks

This is the best broker for International traders/investor/foreigners:
http://www.stockbrokers.com/reviews/internationaltrading

However, shouldn't compare directly bsc some other factors need to take into consideration. Thus far MB Trading is the best as in lowest brokerage fees for international traders but not "ease of use"

Use this to do the direct comparison, scroll till the lowest and u will know whether this broker provides services for international investors:
http://www.stockbrokers.com/compare/mbtrading-vs-questrade

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post Oct 26 2011, 11:07 PM

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bull still ongoing...EXK not bad from below $9 to >$10...in just 2 days.

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post Oct 27 2011, 06:22 AM

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Last minute, China to the rescue mellow.gif. There will be another stable/bull day of the week perhaps will extend till Friday?

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post Oct 27 2011, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Oct 27 2011, 10:03 AM)
If one thinks China is bull.. just look at the performance of their market.
Something doesn't look right, isn't it?  whistling.gif

Also, be very suspicious on this Agence France-Presse report, which
came out from no where suddenly around 2pm EST (NYSE) time when EVERYONE in China is SLEEPING!!

Just another rigged play by the big boys in control to push up this market for the big fireworks later.  brows.gif
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thanks for the tinker, cleared my blurriness rclxub.gif .


Added on October 27, 2011, 2:25 pmWill still stick to certain stocks, betting on rally till Friday perhaps >40 cents increment - finger crossed.....gulp...shud be fine with new debt deal reached, 50% haircut?

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post Oct 27 2011, 09:42 PM

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yeah..Greece is lucky by spending every $1 and only pays back 50 cents each, mr. papandreou lucky you and citizens.

China indirectly will be pushed to buy more bonds, the European crisis is hurting their productivity. This round, I think they will buy the France and/or German's bond and/or buying up companies with hi-technologies in exchange.


wishfully the rally will last till tomorrow.....smile.gif!

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post Oct 27 2011, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(danielc156 @ Oct 27 2011, 10:29 PM)
The next question is which bank got hit by the 50% write off? BAC? UBS? my guess is a lot of banks involved

agree with you that many banks will have to sacrifice. German, France and UK will have the biggest cut in absolute value term followed by other countries. Scroll till bottom of the following link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14239794

however and again all these banks are interlinked with each other, actual may varies vastly from the chart given  rclxub.gif .

QUOTE(danielc156 @ Oct 27 2011, 10:29 PM)

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Will China buy Europe bond? What if later also 50% write off? Spain & Italy will be lining up to ask for 50% write off too.......since the precident already set. Which country want to pay 100% when can ask for 50% discount smile.gif
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i also don't want lar.... to pay 100% then get back only 50% smile.gif but now it's more like "social obligation" to put it in polite manner to prevent a global meltdown or to be exact is "they hold the global economy at hostage" - don't bailout me ar...I'll drag all of you together leh....smile.gif.

Quite similar incident happened during the debt ceiling crisis and downgrade in US around August, the Asia i.e. China inclusive will still have to keep buying their Treasury due to:

1) No where to park their huge surpluses.

2) Disallowed US to default where they can't get their money back and possible backfire by hurting the American economy and demand for Chinese exports.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/09/markets/bo...uries/index.htm
http://news.yahoo.com/asia-keep-buying-us-...-112058669.html

even with the known possibilities that US will print more money i.e. QE3 which will indefinitely reduce the credits worth smile.gif. The Greece is very fortunate, as you said before Italy and Spain might also want...smile.gif

I really hope that M'sia will not go down into such situation where we'll be held hostage due to the government incompetency smile.gif. Idris Jala said we might go bankrupt in 2019. "We will achieve developed nation by 2020 but before that we must bankrupt first a year before" - a common joke among news readers.

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post Oct 28 2011, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Oct 28 2011, 10:17 AM)
of coz there will be minor fluctuation here & there, there may be some minor pullback brows.gif  but overall, chart showing up. take away your emotions, no need read the news, just look at the charts and volume. all you see is support & resistance  rclxm9.gif
i hv read couple of your replies and you did give many sounds advices backed by numbers, mind to share on where to start on proper chart analysis? a.k.a technical analysis? from scratch...really want a put some effort on this rather than just banking on sentiments. Any recommendation smile.gif ?

other sifu, need you feedback as well smile.gif. notworthy.gif

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post Oct 28 2011, 10:20 PM

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post Nov 1 2011, 09:03 PM

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calling for referendum after what all has been done for you? rclxub.gif


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post Nov 3 2011, 07:55 PM

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went in yesterday with bet on high...hopefully the rally will last till tmw, unless crazy surprise from Papandreou doh.gif ...please at least >50 cents gain.......(gulp and finger crossed).....

and thanks for danmooncake foresight...smile.gif

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post Nov 3 2011, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(honglun @ Nov 3 2011, 10:40 PM)
Hm...anyone have any idea how to short Euro? Particularly French Banks? Checked our their ADRs and some ETFs. Mostly are low volume stuff. Anything with some recognizable volume?
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Short-selling lifted?

Reference:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14500731

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post Nov 3 2011, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(honglun @ Nov 3 2011, 11:04 PM)
It was a 15 day ban and that applies on Euro exchanges not anything in US side though.
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tks for the input smile.gif.
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QUOTE(kevinpang @ Nov 16 2011, 11:27 PM)
Hi All, I am new to US stock trading. I came to know Options Trading few months ago, and done virtual trading for few months. I found many good information inside this forum. :-)

I notice most of you seems to be trading stock. Does anyone trade Options here ? I am interested in options because I can participate in expansive stocks...

Btw, I would like to fund my OptionsXpress account from my Maybank2u. I remember I see a guideline here before, but I could not get it back(few hunderd pages searched). Can anyone help me to fund my OptionsXpress account ? What is "Fed Wire" ? I just afraid that my money lost somewhere during TT transfer...Appreciates if anyone can assist me..:-)
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I had just TT'ed some money into my MB Trading account. Fill in the Maybank TT form accordingly and hand them to the counter, pls remember if the amount is more than RM10k equivalent, you hv to TT from your home branch account, if not generally they won't allow you to do so, unless special customers perhaps like premier, vip and etc...

Following is an example of TT'ing into MB Trading which I would say not much difference with OptionXpress.

Their company name "Penson Financial Services, Inc" which has an account with JP Morgan (066-6-00030). Leave a remarks especially ur name and acct number with them. When you TT'ed into their JP Morgan account, internally they will channel the funds into your individual account given by them. 066-6-00030 is a master/general account of MB Trading.

Beneficiary's particulars:

Penson Financial Services, Inc.
Add: 1700 Pacific Ave., Ste 1400, Dallas, TX 75201
Phone: 214-765-1510

Beneficiary's bank particulars:


JP Morgan Chase
277 Park Ave
New York, New York 10172
(212) 623-1636
ABA/routing number for JP Morgan Chase: 021000021
Account No: 066-6-00030
SWIFT number: CHASUS33.

Further credit to:
Name: "your name"
Acct no: "your individual account number"

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hope this helps... cheers,

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post Apr 26 2012, 11:08 PM

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Foreigners like us, capital gain and dividend made from US trading not taxable in US smile.gif?

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post Apr 27 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Apr 27 2012, 06:54 AM)
Dividend is taxable. Most common option is to direct credit your trading account.

why need Div anyway? Its not much, the day range of a stock can make more than the 2-5 years divvy.

example. BAC 0.01x10000 = 100$
Today Range  8.17 - 8.40
Assume enter at 8.20 and sold at 8.30 x 10000  = $1000
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thanks for your input. I got caught at 9.53 (330 units) for BAC sad.gif. Still not good at data analysis...newbie....learning smile.gif

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post Jan 5 2013, 12:55 AM

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Planning to Long PUT of DIA expiration @ Mar 13. Planning to close position 2-3 days before showdown of Fiscal Cliff 2 or 60-80% profit hits.

Wish to profit from both vega long (currently considerable low based on VXD) and delta short.

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post Jan 8 2013, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(theboringguy @ Jan 7 2013, 10:37 PM)
?? wat caused today's red??
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waiting for earnings announcement.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks...3-01-08-9913644

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