Nope that was a long shot outside the box... a POWERFUL long shot but the scoreline is 3-1

This post has been edited by melt: Sep 23 2011, 12:10 PM

i dont watch newcastle games back then & i suppose i dont know of carrol's game movements within newcastle. if he is more at home playing off another main stirker (in newcastle), then its no surprice to see him struggling at liverpool. (sigh)

i guess KD/comolli sees that he cant develope since he is 22. I do hope andy gets on & learn a lot. he isnt & no where near world class, yet i dont fancy him being a classy player but i hope he proves me wrong with the typical bullish english temperment. (that i think its doable, but it boils down to his own believes of his own talent)

As far as I'm concern, the game has evolved quite a bit and being a typical English no. 9, strong, tall, good header of a ball and a good finisher may not be as good to watch these days.

I'm not convinced that Andy Carroll has lost his touch, looking at his goal in the League Cup, it was still powerful and accurate, it's just that strikers these days are required to do so much more, the same goes to wingers, fullbacks, midfielders even central defenders are expected to make plays.

Carragher's playing may be accepted in Liverpool and in England, but if you look at Cannavaro, Nesta, Maldini, Lucio, Puyol, Thuram, etc. Most of them peak after the turn of the 21st century. You don't see them hoofing the ball as much as English defenders do. Instead, they make plays from the back. That's besides the point.

Carroll under Hughton, I must admit, I did not pay much attention to Newcastle Utd, but according to my brother who is a huge Newcastle Utd fan, their tactics were mainly long hoofing balls to Carroll and he has never played as deep as compared to our playing methods. What I noticed is that King Kenny preferred Luis Suarez further up front rather than Andy Carroll. Perhaps, utilizing him as a target man? And playing Andy Carroll on the flank rather than a better dribble, crosser Luis Suarez after Charlie Adam's red card was also debatable, arguably, I would say that Suarez is definitely a player with better vision and Carroll definitely has stronger shooting legs and height to take crosses. Perhaps those are also reasons why Carroll is struggling.

Playing a lefty on the right is never wrong imo, as in, a player who knows how to cut in ALA Gerrard, Messi, Ronaldo, Young. But for a lefty who we signed mainly because of his crosses, I'm not too sure about that, Downing isn't really a player who cuts in, the fact that he has got a very good cross baffles me even more. But who am I to judge? Perhaps King Kenny wants Stewart Downing to shoot even more?

I don't think Jordan Henderson is as bad as some of you guys think, yes he can be a tad bit slow when it comes to making plays, but isn't Barcelona the same? They don't really play with a high tempo, you hardly see them making good counter attacks, they often play the ball among each other, sometimes with no purpose, but that's football ain't it? They usually have 2-3 players around them to enable short passes, Henderson's position is pretty similar to Lucas, both are very mobile players who has no one to accommodate them. Charlie Adam prefers to hit long killer passes rather than playing it simple, hence no place for Henderson to contribute offensively. And I see him also as another connector of our defenders and midfielders, not exactly a flashy player, a reliable simple player, it's just that his price tag gave us high expectations.

*note, I'm not a big Adam, Henderson or Carroll fan.

My thoughts exactly.

I dont watch Newcastle games that much as well but from what I saw normally they do emphasize on playing at the side. You will see a lot of crosses from their winger which is hardly see compare to our team.

People keep saying that Carrol is good with his head but from what i saw he is neither good with his head or leg. Whenever there is a long ball, he would not be able to control it with his feet nor head it towards on of our player. (not even a ball which is worth to chase for)

Do you guys notice how easily he get outmuscled by some of the defenders? He looks like a giant but he doesnt act like a giant

This post has been edited by melt: Sep 23 2011, 02:32 PM

This is an interesting fact for Liverpool fans. Apparently, Liverpool started to wear all-red kit courtesy of Bill Shankly.



Liverpool played in white and blue during their first three years but switched to their famous red shirts in 1896. However, it was only in the 1960s that the all-red kit came into effect courtesy of a piece of Bill Shankly psychology.

"He thought the colour scheme would carry psychological impact," Ian St John wrote in his autobiography. "Red for danger, red for power. He came into the dressing room one day and threw a pair of red shorts to Ronnie Yeats. 'Get into those shorts and let's see how you look,' he said. 'Christ, Ronnie, you look awesome, terrifying. You look 7ft tall.' 'Why not go the whole hog, boss?' I suggested. 'Why not wear red socks? Let's go out all in red.' Shankly approved and an iconic kit was born."

The all-red kit made its debut at Anfield in a European Cup second-round tie with Anderlecht. Much had been expected of the visitors, featuring as they did seven of the 11 Belgium players who had recently held England to a draw, but - as The Guardian report put it - "Anderlecht did little to enhance their formidable reputation" as a clinical Liverpool side won 3-0 before a roaring Kop.

"Our game against Anderlecht at Anfield was a night of milestones," Shankly later said. "We wore the all-red strip for the first time. Christ, the players looked like giants - and we played like giants. The introduction of the all scarlet strip had a huge psychological effect. I went home that night and I said to Ness: 'You know something... tonight I went out onto Anfield and for the first time there was a glow like a fire was burning'."

Yup, Shankly loved mind games. It has also been said that the home dressing room door way was made lower to make the players look bigger as they walked out.

yes... somehow he looks abit like former red peter crouch! somehow players not that tall like davies or cahill can win almost every headers
im surprised to know that dzeko is even taller than carroll but carroll's mobility
he needs to improve his first touch as well... this is very important to every footballers... when u can place the ball nicely, u create urself a shooting chance...

Hmm.. Looking at LFC's FaceBook channel, they really are targeting the Malaysian Redsmen. Feels good to be a part of a supporter that's recognized by the club.

Still have faith in A. Carrol, despite his less than explosive start to the season. Just felt that the strategy now is built around suarez more than carrol, which is understood, given he was injured when he joined the reds..but if carrol can find his place in the team and playing off suarez..we have potentially a strong big man small man combination.

Jordan henderson predicament is the same as how we all judge our very own R babel...nothing special, waste of money, ...but i can see JH progressing and groom to take over from Gerard. Prev we all moan about why babel not given the chance, but now we moan why we give so many chances to JH...tis is the very thing i admire KK, he stick to his gun. His player may miss glorious chances, but bear in mind that he got the chance from his positioning and how he carry the ball near the box before taking his shot..it misses..so what, u can only blame players for lack of trying...just my 2 cents

i would prefer liverpool use the same formation against Brighton except downing in for maxi.

pairing bellamy and suarez upfront look good. kuyt can play on the right side.

no comment abt carroll. i think crouch is way better with his head or even bicycle kick.

Yes.Only we can boast of this
I guess they were blown away by bukit jalil reception.Even the website says they were taken by suprise after the tour.

We are one family despite our lack of success in recent times.YNWA

Still having lotso faith in the youngsters. But until know I don't have a clue who will rise. Right now obviously certain names are favoured than the others.

Correct me if I'm wrong - This is different when KD started managing mid-half previous season, suddenly lots of young players on the bench.But the aim this time is different. With new faces brought in + heavier jobs to be done, apparently KD is trying to get his best mould of the team, to gain stability A.S.A.P.. Then maybe younger players can be blend in bit by bit.

Right now a bit worried to the potentials. Should they be loaned off or they wait

The Carling Cup draw is scheduled tomorrow. Fingers crossed

what time for the game against wolves ?
TS kindly please update the upcoming match in Topic Description.

thx

This post has been edited by ayam001: Sep 24 2011, 02:57 AM

Sat 24-09-2011 LIVERPOOL VS WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS
STAR SPORTS (CH813) 9.55 pm LIVE

is this what you call biased thinking? Rivalry is one thing but having to blame manchester for every single trolls in the thread just proves how pathetic you are.

he said it probaly.not necessary true then.

ignore if u cant take it.

tq

funny we do have people stalking and waiting to pounce the moment something about them is mentioned. jeez.


anyways a lot of people, as much as they're getting the ammunition to fire a salvo at Carra, are praising Lucas. The only thing now is to have someone who can work with Lucas, in out.

rotation policy, anyone?

it wasn't even an accusation to be fair

it's not called biased thinking when most flames or baiting this side of the thread did come from the Mu's fans. wait to be fair most flames and baits comes from you guys all over the thread, in the Barca thread, Arsenal thread, Chelsea thread.. oh wait definitely the Mancity thread , history in lowyat forum basically see infestation since it started.. i guess even you couldn't deny the glaring fact. and why is a single quote above offensive to an MU thread that keeps spewing hypocritical crap about LFC daily? are you butthurt with just one line?

stop calling people pathetic when you should go pointing fingers at your own for giving yourselves a bad name. so run along and don't let the door hit your butt on the way out

This post has been edited by REDShaun: Sep 24 2011, 09:58 AM