very high. it's just the matter of time when you will be granted

Ive got about 13 years professional engineering experience with the last 8 years with the largest Australian company based in KL.

Hi, can I ask you a question? About 189/190.

For my case the skills assessment body (Vetassess) has extra documents (letters that cost extra) that relate to assessing the work experience part. These are in addition to the "skills" assessment. I won't be applying now, but it will be in a few months.

What I want to ask is, does the work experience counted in the points need to be assessed by the body? Thing is, the experience is already part of the "skills" part (you cannot qualify for a standalone skills assessment under the occupation without some work experience).

Hi Nemesis, thanks for the reply.
Just to clarify and clear the confusion, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I thought I can submit an EOI for 189 and another for 190, then wait for an invitation.
When the invitation comes for 189 or 190, the other EOI gets locked.

It's also not clear if "the person authorised to sign the employment reference" has to be the paymaster.


This post has been edited by azrb.com: Aug 20 2014, 08:20 AM

you are right that can submit 2 applications in one time however you will be selected in either 189 or 190

employment reference must have company letterhead and can be signed by your manager or above

I second selvenz. Put simply, a 189 EOI will be ranked against other 189 EOIs based on point testing. Whereas for 190 EOI, as long as you are over the minimum 60 points, you will be in the pool for the state to select and they will select anyone above the pass mark, subject to that state's occupational ceiling/planning. Please see this official explanation, it should be crystal. SkillSelect Rankings and Invitation Explained


I think you are talking about VETASSESS' Point Test Advisory (PTA) letter, which cost an additional minimum $80. First question for you: do you have additional experience over and above the minimum experience required? For example, to be assessed positively by VETASSESS for your occupation you may need at least one year experience, but you have more than three years experience and you intend to claim additional points for that (extra 5 points for more than 3 years relevant overseas experience, for example). If that is the case, my advice would be to just pay the amount and get PTA, it will be much easier for DIBP to confirm your claimed points especially if they can rely on the PTA. Get the PTA, let VETASSESS perform the necessary due diligence on your experience and opine that your more than 3 years work experience are relevant to your nominated occupation. Naturally the officer from DIBP will find it easier to process your application since your experience is assessed already for your claimed points.

If you do not have more than 3 years relevant experience, then you do not need the PTA since it will be pointless to you. VETASSESS' standard assessment for skilled migration would assess your basic requirements for your nominated occupation, ie. relevant bachelors degree and at least one year relevant experience.

Also to note, PTA also opines on whether your bachelor degree is equivalent of an Australian bachelor degree. If you are claiming points for this and if your bachelors degree is foreign, then the PTA might be useful to the DIBP officer to confirm your 5 points claimed for a Australia equivalent bachelors degree.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

This post has been edited by prancingHORSE: Aug 20 2014, 12:27 PM

Based on this, it seems that you can even lodge a visa application if your points are <65???

http://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/SkillSel...-july-2014.aspx

Yes, you can submit both but at the end you only got 1 option. If you go for 189, you better be 60points and more.
If 190, then the state sponsor can give you additional points. This case normally when you don't have enough points.
However....IELTS plays the main key. Check your assessment body what IELTS requirement for each profession.
Mine only need IELTS band 6 to each module, luckily not high. Engineers, doctors, IT i know they requires pretty high band and need it 7 and above. Crazy...

Unless the person is in management level and monitoring your job scope, he can be your authorised person to sign for ye. Last time i get my project director to sign. He's not the boss but he's 2nd man besides all the bosses in board of directors.

Thanks for replying!

Yes, my skills assessment has a minimum experience component (1 year). As I did a partial, qualification-only assessment for my 485 visa, I will be doing a post-485 'top up' assessment for the 189/190 (form here http://www.vetassess.com.au/Portals/0/Down...Application.pdf with the documents part on page 16).

So I want to claim points for an Australian qualification +15 (should have no problem here), plus the Australian study requirement +5, plus a year of experience +5 (which is the same that must be counted for the skills assessment).

The thing which confused me was the 'additional advisory letter', so do you think I will need it?

One more question, how does one actually get a state nomination for the 190, at what stage does one get it (after EOI?) and how does one go about it?

Thanks

depends on which state have the occupation that you are looking for. each state have different requirement and you have to refer the migration site on each site to get the idea of applying

Well if you look at this message below in response to you question... Indeed.

You then probed for someone to indicate how many points in total would be deemed "safe" for 189...

... to which this kind person here indicated 65 points, although there is no firm rule on this.

So am I missing something, or are you questioning in circles?

I assume your one year of experience is in Australia, if that is true, your idea of points which you can claim sounds fine.

If you really wish to save that $80, well alright I would save it too if I was you, because it seems that you have a definite Australian degree and have definitely resided in Australia while pursuing this degree. One year work experience is captured/assessed as part of VETASSESS' standard general skilled migration assessment, so it seems that there is no need for a Point Test Advisory letter at all.

Yes, each state processes their state sponsorship applications separately. But the gist of the process is like this: 1) lodge EOI with DIBP, and then 2) lodge state sponsorship application. In the EOI, you will have to indicate which visa sublass you're keen on (189 and/or 190 etc), if you indicate 190, you will be asked which state specifically, to which you can answer "any" or a specific state. After having done so, the state immigration guys will be able to see you in the SkillSelect system that you have indicated your interest to be sponsored by that particular state - this is just state immigration having access to your EOI, this does not mean they will process. To get them to process, you need to lodge an application with the state immigration on their website and the requirements/process varies according to state. I strongly suggest, if you have a target state in mind, to check out that state's immigration website. I know the state I am familiar with sets out the process clearly, and I highly doubt other states would not have the same clear guideline set out on their website.

Hit me up via PM if you have more personal questions to ask. Otherwise, best we discuss here for everyone's benefit.

This post has been edited by prancingHORSE: Aug 20 2014, 06:15 PM

Lodge eoi for 190 there will be ref number generated.
Then lodge state sponsor with the state you require and key in the ref number.

When you get state approval your invite is automatic.

Please note each state has separate requirements. Go to their respective websites and see which suits you better.

Assessment is a must and IELTS is a must for state sponsorship.

Yep, discuss here is fine. You're right, $80 is not much in the bigger scheme of things, although my previous visa application process was complicated enough and I don't want to make the next one messier by adding stuff I don't need (or leaving out important stuff). Plus there are all those other costs like another medical etc, and the top up skills assessment already costs another bomb.

Coming back to that, on that form under the 'Additional Advisory Letter for DIBP to consider a claim for points in the GSM Points Test' section there is also a 'Australian qualification' option in addition to the employment option. I know I can call the agency to ask (and I will later), but if you are familiar, do I need these then?

Two other big questions I'd like to ask you, should I do medical before EOI, or after EOI but before submission, or at a different time? I ask this because the last time I did my medical it messed up my visa application big time and took a while to fix.

Do I need to repeat (assuming just over 12 months has passed) the police check and good conduct certification that I just did?

Thank you!

This post has been edited by LightningFist: Aug 20 2014, 07:26 PM

is best to do medical after the EOI and CO assigned. CO will normally ask you to do medical once they received your application

police check only valid for 12 months IINM so yes you have to redo

The VETASSESS general skill assessment (GSM) for migration assesses mainly two items: 1) education 2) work experience. They will have to opine on whether your qualification is "comparable to the educational level of an Australian Bachelor degree or higher degree, in a field highly relevant to the nominated occupation".

Short answer IMO is no, you do not need the 'Additional Advisory Letter for DIBP to consider a claim for points in the GSM Points Test' (this is called the Point Test Advisory (PTA) letter, by the way), as your GSM covers the relevancy of your education already. Especially if your Australian degree is highly relevant (ie. an engineering degree for an engineering nominated occupation), then your case is as straightforward as it gets for the VETASSESS assessment officer, and eventually for the DIBP officer.

I think hihihehe gave you solid response to the rest of your concerns.

Hi guys, just got my 190 (sponsored by QLD) granted this week. For those who would like to know, my timeline as below:

221213 Ext. Auditor (60 points + 5 points via SS by QLD)
IELTS: 08/03 (exam), 14/03 (passed)
Skills Assessment: 28/03 (submitted), 10/04 (positive)
EOI: 01/05
QLD SS (acknowledgement): 02/05
QLD SS (docs submitted): 08/05
QLD SS (approved): 25/05
Invite: 25/05
PCC: 12/05 (approved)
Medicals: 02/06 (done)
Visa Lodged: 29/06 (All docs front-loaded, inclusive of Form 80 and 1221)
CO Allocation: N/A
Direct Grant: 18/08

Initial entry date is May next year, will have to make a trip to validate the visa. Planning to move permanently sometime in 2016.

Went through everything by myself without engaging an agent. Spent about MYR21k all-in (inclusive of a partner and all related costs ie. IELTS, medicals etc.).

For those who are who like to understand more about the process, feel free to PM or post up here.

This post has been edited by teikwing: Aug 21 2014, 10:42 PM

Chances? Definitely yes. The timeline is highly subjective, depending on your placing in the "queue". The higher points, the higher chance you will be granted earlier. But generally, you are looking at about 60-90 days post visa lodgement for the grant.

Congrats bro my IEd is dec 19th... Vic ss 190
Pr granted August 13th

IEd early cause I got police clearance way to early dec 2013 lol

Congrats to you too! Same here mate. I did everything in advance as well hence the IED. It's exactly a year from the date of my PCC.

Congrates! Plan on the next hurdle, job hunting! Enjoy the lifestyle and sunshine here.